Vista Lover Here!

[Fireddog]

Flyingbull I was defending you not suggesting you didn't know about Vista's parental control program. Trust me I knew you were being sarcastic. I apologize if I didn't make it clearer.

As far as using Admin policies to control other users in Xp yes. I know all about that but is it easy to use for the average pc user? Nope not at all.
When your dealing with pc neophytes you want software that is user friendly and actually works.

As far as the norton issues so far its been nearly 8 months since the new 2009 products were released. haven't had an issue. Name one other av software you can install get updated all in less then 6 minutes on the average pc all without requiring a reboot.

Find me an av program that has that ability that scans as fast and has just as good a detection rate. And is updated as rapidly as the norton 2009 products. Oh and doesn't slow the pc down as well.

Trust me I want an alternative for my clients. Because some who have had an issue or heard bad things about norton take much cajoling to try the new norton. I would rather have a good alternative that is as good as norton.

Still haven't found a good alternative yet that I can trust.

 

[purple_minion]

Flyingbull I was defending you not suggesting you didn't know about Vista's parental control program. Trust me I knew you were being sarcastic. I apologize if I didn't make it clearer.

As far as using Admin policies to control other users in Xp yes. I know all about that but is it easy to use for the average pc user? Nope not at all.
When your dealing with pc neophytes you want software that is user friendly and actually works.

As far as the norton issues so far its been nearly 8 months since the new 2009 products were released. haven't had an issue. Name one other av software you can install get updated all in less then 6 minutes on the average pc all without requiring a reboot.

Find me an av program that has that ability that scans as fast and has just as good a detection rate. And is updated as rapidly as the norton 2009 products. Oh and doesn't slow the pc down as well.

Trust me I want an alternative for my clients. Because some who have had an issue or heard bad things about norton take much cajoling to try the new norton. I would rather have a good alternative that is as good as norton.

Still haven't found a good alternative yet that I can trust.

Avira. Installs, no reboot, very quick. Rated very high in tests. Carry around the update file and you can update in a minute or two. I believe it's part of the install as well, but I could be wrong.

 

[purple_minion]

The conversation on Vista ended on page 7<g>.

The best part is the OP disappeared long ago! Almost a troll topic huh.

 

[MLCS]

Honestly... as soon as M$ was finally able to get rid of DOS... well... the world got a lot sadder. Gates hated having to rely on another program to load his own OS. He was trying to get rid of DOS on systems from day one. I miss it....

 

[purple_minion]

Honestly... as soon as M$ was finally able to get rid of DOS... well... the world got a lot sadder. Gates hated having to rely on another program to load his own OS. He was trying to get rid of DOS on systems from day one. I miss it....

DOS was his own os! If Dr-DOS or whatever had taken IBM up things would be very different.

 

[gunslinger]

Avira. Installs, no reboot, very quick. Rated very high in tests. Carry around the update file and you can update in a minute or two. I believe it's part of the install as well, but I could be wrong.

Exactly what I was going to say. Avira is the AV I install on customer machines unless they request otherwise.

If you are going with pay AV Kaspersky is hard to beat and has been my AV of choice for years. I have also read good things about NOD32.

 

[Flyingbull]

Flyingbull I was defending you not suggesting you didn't know about Vista's parental control program. Trust me I knew you were being sarcastic. I apologize if I didn't make it clearer.

Sorry for jumping the gun on that.

As far as using Admin policies to control other users in Xp yes. I know all about that but is it easy to use for the average pc user? Nope not at all.
When your dealing with pc neophytes you want software that is user friendly and actually works.

It was the in the nuance, Gunslinger had pointed out that you could have done it in XP Pro not that your client should. He also described a program that he used to do it for XP Home. <Gunslinger translation offered for a nominal fee>

As far as the norton issues so far its been nearly 8 months since the new 2009 products were released. haven't had an issue. Name one other av software you can install get updated all in less then 6 minutes on the average pc all without requiring a reboot.

Are you talking about Virus defintions or Software updates. Every virus program I use updates it's protection without rebooting the computer (Winclam, Viper, Bitdefender). I use Norton AV here (Enterprise Edtion 10.0+), whenever the software gets updated it requires a reboot.

Find me an av program that has that ability that scans as fast and has just as good a detection rate. And is updated as rapidly as the norton 2009 products. Oh and doesn't slow the pc down as well.

The problem here is that not everyone wears the same size shoe.
You are a advanced user, it might not be the same for someone else who will see every glitch as YOUR FAULT, since you recommended the program. Let it go through a cycle of about 18 months before you can even decide if they can be trust worthy. Recently I just went up to ther site to grab a patch for PC Anywhere, and they are having a problem right now with a virus and trying to get a patch out, posted everywhere. These are the real tests that validate the software, not day to day already solved problems, but their reaction time to threats now that have no ready defense.

 

[Blues]

DOS was his own os! If Dr-DOS or whatever had taken IBM up things would be very different.

Are you saying DOS was Gates work? It wasn't here is a quote granted it is from wiki so not the most reliable source but still not the first place I heard it. "MS-DOS was a renamed form of 86-DOS (informally known as the Quick-and-Dirty Operating System or Q-DOS)[2] owned by Seattle Computer Products, written by Tim Paterson"

 

[purple_minion]

Are you saying DOS was Gates work? It wasn't here is a quote granted it is from wiki so not the most reliable source but still not the first place I heard it. "MS-DOS was a renamed form of 86-DOS (informally known as the Quick-and-Dirty Operating System or Q-DOS)[2] owned by Seattle Computer Products, written by Tim Paterson"

Well I could be wrong, it's from what I remember from the documentary "Triumph of the Nerds" or whatever on tv. From what I remember IBM went to Dr. Dos or whoever and he turned them down, they went to Gates and he jumped on it. I thought he was developing his own at the time. I admit my mind does not remember details.

Well I read the wiki, isn't how I remember it on the show. lol. Anyway, microsoft gobbles up companies anyway, so what is really "theirs" to be proud of... plus it's not a pride thing, it's all about $$$$$. Also I think they got rid of DOS because there was all kinds of issues of layering OS's instead of doing it natively.

 

[Blues]

I think they got rid of DOS because there was all kinds of issues of layering OS's instead of doing it natively.

I think you are right about that I just hated how after it doesn't work as beautifuly anymore but for things that you want to run on it your best using emulators, virtual machines, or an old 386 or somewhere about that.

 

[Heriberto t.]

i think im too late but, i like vista. i just "tricked" it out to be more like XP. first i removed the welcome screen and the side bar gadgets thing. otherwise it would be too slow. i guess the reason i use vista, is becasue it was preloaded, and i didnt want to buy a new XP.

 

[purple_minion]

i think im too late but, i like vista. i just "tricked" it out to be more like XP. first i removed the welcome screen and the side bar gadgets thing. otherwise it would be too slow. i guess the reason i use vista, is becasue it was preloaded, and i didnt want to buy a new XP.

That's exactly how they get you!!!!

 

[purple_minion]

I think you are right about that I just hated how after it doesn't work as beautifuly anymore but for things that you want to run on it your best using emulators, virtual machines, or an old 386 or somewhere about that.

Yeah, I hear you, but a lot of people complain that they keep all this old code around for backward compatibility. I have some fond memories of a lot of games like Freddy Farcus Frontier Pharmacist, Kings Quest, Space Quest, Wing Commander, Red Baron, Doom, Duke Nukem (2D AND 3D), Commander Keen, Jill of the Jungle, a ton of flying games I can't remember like Aces of ????. Ahhh, those were the days. I remember when most if not all games were SHAREWARE, you remember that concept? You got to play a few levels and if you liked it your game cost you $15 instead of $50... and you were JUST as entertained. I actually downloaded Raptor cause I missed it so much, a good shoot'em up with upgradable weapons.

Sigh.

 

[stevenamills]

i guess the reason i use vista, is becasue it was preloaded, and i didnt want to buy a new XP.

I run it on one machine.

I need to have a working knowledge for my customers and they gave me Quickbooks Pro if I would take it. Not a bad deal.

After 3 days of on and off tweaking it is tolerable, but that's the best I can say.

 

[Blues]

Yeah, I hear you, but a lot of people complain that they keep all this old code around for backward compatibility. I have some fond memories of a lot of games like Freddy Farcus Frontier Pharmacist, Kings Quest, Space Quest, Wing Commander, Red Baron, Doom, Duke Nukem (2D AND 3D), Commander Keen, Jill of the Jungle, a ton of flying games I can't remember like Aces of ????. Ahhh, those were the days. I remember when most if not all games were SHAREWARE, you remember that concept? You got to play a few levels and if you liked it your game cost you $15 instead of $50... and you were JUST as entertained. I actually downloaded Raptor cause I missed it so much, a good shoot'em up with upgradable weapons.

Sigh.

I loved King's Quest games, Sierra was the best, did you ever play Heros Quest aka Quest for Glory? I still have most of my old games man what happened to the good old PC game days of Interplay, Sierra, Maxis, and Bullfrog?

 

[purple_minion]

I loved King's Quest games, Sierra was the best, did you ever play Heros Quest aka Quest for Glory? I still have most of my old games man what happened to the good old PC game days of Interplay, Sierra, Maxis, and Bullfrog?

Yeah, completely forgot about quest for glory... I never beat ANY of them, and never did get quest for glory IV. Those were the days of real story and entertainment. It was either shoot'em up or side scroller with no story, cause you just wanna play, or a story and a lot of puzzle solving like king's quest, star trek, or quest for glory. Now it's all about how pretty it looks or how many players you can have in a game. That's partly why the Wii is sooooo popular, because for the few games that are decent and out there are FUN! Too bad no one but nintendo can make decent games for the wii, it is seriously lacking.

EDIT: I wouldn't mind seeing a good game like SimAnts, or a stratagy game like warcraft/starcraft/command and conquer. Seems they all want you to frickin' micromanage every frickin' detail. If I wanted to be a mayor of a real city then I'd run for mayor... not play it in a game. Same with the Sims, seriously why do I want to play real life like finding a job or working out or calling my friends so I don't lose them. I reallllly don't get it. I liked the original game of Black and White, that was a nice concept, wasn't too into the second version. But oh, the good old days of dos and crappy irq's.

 

[Blues]

Yeah, completely forgot about quest for glory... I never beat ANY of them, and never did get quest for glory IV. Those were the days of real story and entertainment. It was either shoot'em up or side scroller with no story, cause you just wanna play, or a story and a lot of puzzle solving like king's quest, star trek, or quest for glory. Now it's all about how pretty it looks or how many players you can have in a game. That's partly why the Wii is sooooo popular, because for the few games that are decent and out there are FUN! Too bad no one but nintendo can make decent games for the wii, it is seriously lacking.

EDIT: I wouldn't mind seeing a good game like SimAnts, or a stratagy game like warcraft/starcraft/command and conquer. Seems they all want you to frickin' micromanage every frickin' detail. If I wanted to be a mayor of a real city then I'd run for mayor... not play it in a game. Same with the Sims, seriously why do I want to play real life like finding a job or working out or calling my friends so I don't lose them. I reallllly don't get it. I liked the original game of Black and White, that was a nice concept, wasn't too into the second version. But oh, the good old days of dos and crappy irq's.

Black and White was pretty good but still not as good as Populous II which improved alot over the first and was still a god game where as III was an RTS where you play a shamen given powers from the gods. I remember spending half the time lowering terrain under the enemies down to below sea level.

 

[Heriberto t.]

i have vista running on 3 computers, two desktops and a laptop. they're not high-end but they get the job done. ( 2.4Ghz, 2.2GHz, and 1.73GHz)
The laptop takes a while to boot up even after hours of tweaking, i popped in a live cd, and to my surprise, it booted up 'instantly'. i might change OS, but i'll wait till Windows 7, or maybe duel boot.

Im guessing it might be slow because i dont have SP1 on it?

 

[gunslinger]

Im guessing it might be slow because i dont have SP1 on it?

I have not seen a real speed increase from SP1. Less blue screens, less errors, a little more stable. But not much speed gain.

Thats one problem I have with Vista. With XP I could spend about 15 mins tweaking it, and it would fly on a system running just 512 RAM. I would say at least a 30-40% speed increase over stock. With Vista on the other hand I have spent hours as you said, tweaking and disabling un-needed programs and maybe got the start menu to pop up a little faster or control panel to come up in 5 seconds instead of 15.

About the only things I have found to speed up Vista are:

1. remove every program that you don't need.
2. keep installed programs down to just what you have to have
3. disable anything that does not need to run.
4. Kill Windows defender
5. use a very light AV
6. Disable indexing
7. turn off animations and aero
8. if its 32 bit feed it 4 gigs of RAM, if its 64 bit feed it as much RAM as your MOBO will take.

 

[Heriberto t.]

thanks, i'll try it! right after i get home from school. so far i have removed/disabled programs, removed windows defender, for AV i have Bitdefender. i'll have to disable indexing though. right now it has 2 Gigs so i'll go to 3.

i might have to clean it, it hasnt been cleaned in probably years (since it was bought back when vista was first released) i expect it to have a lot of dust since,before i had it, my brother took it with him to Iraq, and brought it back while on leave. i'm also going to check if there are any faster CPU's for it.

i'll spend a couple more hours on it though.

Again, thanks for the tips!