Vista Lover Here!

[gunslinger]

@ purple_minion

I could not agree with you more. It is very refreshing to see a little common sense now and then.

@ Fireddog

I'm not saying you don't have common sense. What I'm saying is that sometimes we can get wrapped up in the things we like and want, and they start to look like things that are necessary and needed.

I ask you how in the world did people get along before vista? I bet they figured something out and it's now working away right? So why screw that up?

Exactly right. I have not found a single useful ( for me ) thing that can be done on Vista that XP has not been able to do for years, and do much faster and with less system resources. Sure, any 32 bit OS is going to have a RAM cut off at about 3.5 gigs, so what? Have you seen how fast XP can be on just 512-one gig? I'll put an XP machine running 2 gigs against a Vista box with 4 gigs any day in real world speed ( not just benchmark numbers ).

Also about norton, I used to be a fan of them way back in the day. But seriously, you as a professional, if you treated your clients like crap, worked slow and overbilled them do you think they would ever come back to you? How many products won't you touch or buy because of a bad reputation? Care to buy an emachine? How about a magnovox? The only thing that works for companies is reputation, it's what gets you repeat business. You screw the customer and they don't come back. Customer is always right, guess what that phrase is really for, not because you believe they are right, it's because you want them to come back! I hear it preached over and over and over on here, word of mouth is the best advertising, etc. Reputation! Same reason rehabilitated pedophiles have such a hard time in society, their track record, their reputation.

Very well said. I have also been reading that Norton 2009 is much lighter and faster than versions past. But I wont recommend it to anyone for a long time. It will need to prove itself for a few years to restore its rep.

 

[bmetman]

I have also been reading that Norton 2009 is much lighter and faster than versions past. But I wont recommend it to anyone for a long time. It will need to prove itself for a few years to restore its rep.

Gunslinger,
I agree completely. I have also heard 2009 is much lighter than past versions but it will take awhile for Norton to regain my support. Especially after releasing 360. I have seen nothing but problems with this release. As for Vista it seems to have more of an end user feel in my opinion. However, I have only tinkered w/ it while doing repairs. So if I'm wrong please correct me.
Thanks

 

[purple_minion]

I want to say quickly that I hope to not have hurt anyone's feelings on my strongly worded posts as I seem to have just driven a new member away. I myself have a lot to learn and am weak in certain areas, such as networking and so don't comment on those. I respect your knowledge and opinion however M$ is a button for me like so many others.

 

[MLCS]

I have a 69' Dodge Charger.. There's the new Dodge Chargers out.

69' - 4,200
08' - 42,000

69' - 440 Big Block
08' - 3.5L V6

08'... More cup holders.. Very shiny.

Which should I go with?

 

[dhrandy]

I have a 69' Dodge Charger.. There's the new Dodge Chargers out.

69' - 4,200
08' - 42,000

69' - 440 Big Block
08' - 3.5L V6

08'... More cup holders.. Very shiny.

Which should I go with?

So your still using Windows 95?? I don't see the comparison. The better comparison would be going from a 2001 Dodge Viper to a 2009 Dodge Viper.

 

[Flyingbull]

So your still using Windows 95?? I don't see the comparison. The better comparison would be going from a 2001 Dodge Viper to a 2009 Dodge Viper.

Considering his comparison, he probably is using Dos 2.2 on an 8 bit computer.

 

[stevenamills]

Gunslinger,
...... Especially after releasing 360. I have seen nothing but problems with this release.
Thanks

I realize the magnitude of the following statement:

This may be the biggest piece of crap since Bob. History will judge, but it certainly is an auspicious debut for the title.

 

[gunslinger]

I think you both miss the point. The point was not the date or age of the cars, the point was that just because one was new did not make it better. The older one will get you there just as fast if not faster than the newer one.

I have yet to see one feature in Vista that was so revolutionary I could not live without it. In fact I have yet to see any features in Vista that could not be done with XP, yep even glass. Newer and more does not equal better.

 

[Flyingbull]

I think you both miss the point. The point was not the date or age of the cars, the point was that just because one was new did not make it better. The older one will get you there just as fast if not faster than the newer one.

I have yet to see one feature in Vista that was so revolutionary I could not live without it. In fact I have yet to see any features in Vista that could not be done with XP, yep even glass. Newer and more does not equal better.

Well that is for you. Are you saying that if your customer wants or needs a specfic function of Windows Vista, you would fight them on it? lets take the dodge example above, car 1 is faster, but it doesn't have the same safety features as the car 2. Nor can you find factory grade parts, you have to use refurbished parts most of the time. More expensive in the long run to maintain. Which is then the better deal? Are you saying if I buy a brand new computer right now, I should downgrade immediately to XP until the new one comes out, then go through not one, but two upgrades (==>Vista==>#7)?

 

[gunslinger]

Are you saying that if your customer wants or needs a specfic function of Windows Vista, you would fight them on it?

I would try to talk them out of it yes. I would tell them the amount of crap that they will have to put up with Vista would not be worth it. If they insist I would Install Vista ( customer is always right ). Like I said I have yet to see a feature in Vista that anyone would actually "need" that can't be done in XP.

If someone wanted to burn CDs and DVDs and wanted Nero I would try to talk them into Burnaware free for the same reasons. To give the customer the best they can get and keep them happy long term.

Are you saying if I buy a brand new computer right now, I should downgrade immediately to XP until the new one comes out, then go through not one, but two upgrades (==>Vista==>#7)?

At this point I strongly discourage people from buying a new system. If they do buy now they will be paying more in just a while for Windows 7 anyway. Why not just wait until 7 comes out on OEM machines and get it? Until then , spend $15-20 and throw another gig of RAM in that old XP box.

 

[Flyingbull]

I would try to talk them out of it yes. I would tell them the amount of crap that they will have to put up with Vista would not be worth it. If they insist I would Install Vista ( customer is always right ). Like I said I have yet to see a feature in Vista that anyone would actually "need" that can't be done in XP.

If someone wanted to burn CDs and DVDs and wanted Nero I would try to talk them into Burnaware free for the same reasons. To give the customer the best they can get and keep them happy long term.



At this point I strongly discourage people from buying a new system. If they do buy now they will be paying more in just a while for Windows 7 anyway. Why not just wait until 7 comes out on OEM machines and get it? Until then , spend $15-20 and throw another gig of RAM in that old XP box.

Alright those are good points, and I agree with that thinking to a point. It doesn't cover all situations, like mine for instance, I prefer Vista, but I have reasons that are outside the realm for an average user.
But I don't think that Vista is that big of a pain in the ass, I have three kids, they use an old refurbished e-machince with Vista home on it. Works great, the kids love it (3, 6, 11). The only time I have had a serious problem with the computer was when the 6 yo figured out that he could download free trials, and went crazy. Computer was a menece after that, but again, that was essentially my fault, the parential controls in Vista are pretty good, and I could have easily prevented that from happening if I hadn't been lazy about it when I set up their indvidual accounts.
I don't remember XP home having that ability, but of course I'm more familar with the Pro version.

 

[gunslinger]

Yeah, kids+computer=problems at some point. Just wait until they are in their teens. God help you. Mine are 11, 15, 18.

As for the parential controls in Vista, the same thing can be done when setting up XP accounts in XP Pro. Also for those not on Pro there is a free program called Windows steady state that can lock down any aspect of a system and it has a nice GUI unlike the admin tools in XP. I have used it to lock down customer PCs in the past.

 

[Flyingbull]

Yeah, kids+computer=problems at some point. Just wait until they are in their teens. God help you. Mine are 11, 15, 18.

As for the parential controls in Vista, the same thing can be done when setting up XP accounts in XP Pro. Also for those not on Pro there is a free program called Windows steady state that can lock down any aspect of a system and it has a nice GUI unlike the admin tools in XP. I have used it to lock down customer PCs in the past.

Interesting, you can set the times of when they can go online or off? Select which sites they are not allowed on in Pro? And have it give you a report on usage, etc? (I'll have to look into that for my laptops, since they are all still XP).
I mean I guess I could do that in Group Policy or setup the network to allow and disallow that ip address/mac address. For the router, that wouldn't allow me to let them have access at a user level. I've never liked screwing with group policy if I can help it.

 

[bagellad]

I think there are so many problems with Vista because so many of the computers came prepackaged with Norton.

 

[purple_minion]

I think there are so many problems with Vista because so many of the computers came prepackaged with Norton.

Maybe they struck a deal with M$ and norton code is integrated with Vista's OS, maybe they even helped write the kernal???? :O

 

[dhrandy]

I think there are so many problems with Vista because so many of the computers came prepackaged with Norton.

That could be true. I have 3 computers with Vista and have had 0 problems. Of course they all have 2 gigs minimum and dual core processors. Oh wait, they must be the new Charger.

 

[gunslinger]

I love how people say they have had 0 problems with Vista. I guess all OS problems have been solved and XP was the last of them, this means Vista is perfect since no one ever has problems with it. You would think every business on earth would use it but really only about 9% of Windows users have gone to it. We are all out of business after XP is fazed out.

 

[dhrandy]

I love how people say they have had 0 problems with Vista. I guess all OS problems have been solved and XP was the last of them, this means Vista is perfect since no one ever has problems with it. You would think every business on earth would use it but really only about 9% of Windows users have gone to it. We are all out of business after XP is fazed out.

I would think that cost would have more to do with it. I don't think all businesses can afford just to make the jump and not all businesses are running the latest hardware. Just because you don't (not you specifically) don't have it doesn't mean you need it. I'm not making that argument.

Edit: I'm not saying everyone doesn't have problems. Just stating the fact that I haven't.

 

[Fireddog]

bad press has nothing to do with vista but more to do with ill informed fud.

As Far As the parental control feature in Vista. Yes XP DOESN'T have that. And for you to suggest it does shows you really haven't touched vista's parental control feature. Xp supports messing with account controls but that is designed for a tech admin not the average user.

At least with the Vista parental control the parent actually can see what their child is doing and actually have a nice report they can check on.

All this stuff about how norton screwed over customers and how you personally Are going to wait YEARS for your clients? WE are talking about Technical support not using emotions to make business decisions. As I have said I agree the damn older norton products sucked.. but the ceo of the company sucked it up admitted it was true and said they where going to fix that. And they despite what many other companies have failed to deliver on a big promise have actually done it.

Name me how many companies admit they were wrong and actually go out of their way to turn their product around? So if this product is technically better for many of those out their.. you would rather setup your clients with an inferior product because your feelings where hurt? Did norton slap you?

I mean seriously am I talking to technicians Or religious zealots?


As far as using clients as guinea pigs I would never do that. I do educate myself on as much software out there because I do encounter many different environments. I would rather be able to figure something out then just say "Sorry I don't work with that product because I feel it sucks.. "when in reality its because I have never worked with that said product."

I have to be able to sleep at night. And for what I charge my clients I owe it to them to be as informed as possible.

 

[dhrandy]

1 vote for Fireddog.