SOPA & PIPA act..

[hightechrex]

All i have to say is.. what the hell? Are there people out there willing this dence? A world with no google, youtube, wikipedia, yahoo, aol, among thousands or even millions of other site? That would cause far more damage than good. I can't possibly see how anyone politican or not can benefit from any of this. This would put us in an economic meltdown.. Am i missing something? Because this sounds like a load of BS

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

It's already mostly been squashed...dunno why everyone is still running around like a chicken with its head cut off about it.

And it's really about piracy, warez, illegal stuff...basically copyright infringement. Unless you host stuff like torrent server stuffed with ripped songs, or host a movie streaming website and streams current top movies at the theater..for free, or host servers where people can download cracked warez...you really don't have much to worry about.

I don't think this is the answer against piracy....as I don't think the gov't is capable of effectively dong it, and I think it's a waste of our tax dollars, and gov't resources. So I'm not "pro SOPA". But I don't wear a tin hat about it either...I see so many posts from people in fear of the internet being drastically changed over this..and loss of freedom of speech, all that stuff. I prefer to keep my tin foil in the kitchen, not on my head.

 

[hightechrex]

It's already mostly been squashed...dunno why everyone is still running around like a chicken with its head cut off about it.

And it's really about piracy, warez, illegal stuff...basically copyright infringement. Unless you host stuff like torrent server stuffed with ripped songs, or host a movie streaming website and streams current top movies at the theater..for free, or host servers where people can download cracked warez...you really don't have much to worry about.

I don't think this is the answer against piracy....as I don't think the gov't is capable of effectively dong it, and I think it's a waste of our tax dollars, and gov't resources. So I'm not "pro SOPA". But I don't wear a tin hat about it either...I see so many posts from people in fear of the internet being drastically changed over this..and loss of freedom of speech, all that stuff. I prefer to keep my tin foil in the kitchen, not on my head.

lmao. ok good, i have been off the internet for a while.(just moved) I get on my computer and see all this crazy news and sites blocked off and im like... whats going on??

 

[Trenatos]

SOPA is just about dead. The President of the USA has condemned it too, but there's still the Stop IP we need to worry about.
(Obviously only us living in the US need to worry about either of these.)

 

[14049752]

A world with no google, youtube, wikipedia, yahoo, aol, among thousands or even millions of other site?

I don't think it's a matter of people being dense, so much as having a different opinion. They may think that the bill is a good line of defense to protect intellectual property (I'm not one of those people).... They probably also think that the line I quoted from you is a perfect example of hyperbole. Most of the "anti-sopa" lines I see are certainly overblown exagerations of what could be. The bill certainly doesn't have the intent to go after Google, et al. They may not remember abuses and effectiveness (or lack there of) of similar bills. How those laws didn't stop piracy...or how they were abused to try to have videos of babies with music playing the background removed and prosecuted....etc.

In my opinion, it's not what the bill is written for...it's what it allows because of its vague wording and broad coverage. I think the fact that it takes away the safe harbor from the site owners to fix any issues, and gives the power to immediately shut the site down, is a major issue. The big media and companies that can afford the legal action are certainly going to abuse SOPA/PIPA in any way they can. Also, it's NOT going to stop piracy...Maybe slow it down for a short while....but certainly not hinder it in any significant way.

 

[emsbronco]

Corporations were already eyeing this Bill to shut down sites that sell their products at too low of a cost. Monster Cable has already come out against eBay, Craigs List, Sears, and Costco.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...craigslist-costco-sears-are-rogue-sites.shtml

The reason why this is a big deal is because SOPA and PIPA aren't dead. Their sponsors have already said they are going to go back to the drawing board to rewrite it. The White House said it would veto these bills in their current form. So, don't think this issue is dead. I bet they'll try to slip it in with some other bill to get it past the people.

And, the reason why it is such a big deal is that this bill circumvents the legal system. We already have laws in place to stop copyright infringement. If this is going on, then take it to court and allow the accused to defend themselves. Don't just take a website down under the presumption of guilt. In the US, all people are assumed innocent until proven guilty. These bills would change that.

On a final note, look at what RIAA was doing to stop file sharing, issuing jane doe lawsuits to find file sharers and try to get money out of them...SOPA and PIPA will allow them to do the same thing without involving the courts. It takes away protections that Americans have enjoyed for centuries and without the need to go to court, free speech will be stifled.

 

[colonydata]

SOPA is just about dead. The President of the USA has condemned it too, but there's still the Stop IP we need to worry about.
(Obviously only us living in the US need to worry about either of these.)

actually the president has only came out against having DNS blocking, which is a step. from my understanding DNS blocking would effect the entire world due to the fact that US gov controls most if not all of the DNS system. (Which believe me i dont trust the US Government, but i trust international bodies like the un or the eu even less).

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

And, the reason why it is such a big deal is that this bill circumvents the legal system. We already have laws in place to stop copyright infringement. If this is going on, then take it to court and allow the accused to defend themselves. Don't just take a website down under the presumption of guilt. In the US, all people are assumed innocent until proven guilty. These bills would change that.
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Current copyright infringement in it scurrent form doesn't really deal with the internet very well...and it doesn't extend outside of US borders very well. This is simply giving the ability to have a more direct approach to dealing with them...locally or outside of our borders. Example...we couldn't do much to touch piratebay effectively...nor the promotion of it. SOPA aimed to give stronger hands against that. People are going too crazy acting like the gov't will come shutdown websites or forums because a bad word was typed. That's not what they'll be going after.

 

[bitsandbytes]

wikipedia

wikipedia thinks this threat is very much alive....rather than its being dead have you clicked on the english tab on wikipedia today??

 

[Appleby]

wikipedia thinks this threat is very much alive....rather than its being dead have you clicked on the english tab on wikipedia today??

And Google and the EFF. It isn't dead. And knowing how Congress works, even if they kill it, the RIAA and Hollywood will make sure they get a similar bill back on the floor with a different name.

 

[Tekko]

It's simply not our governments Job to secure others intellectual property. Don't create a digital copy if you cannot secure a digital copy, period.

Is it the governments job to prosecute IP thieves? Yes
Are there laws against stealing IP? Yes

Is it the governments job to secure and protect YOUR Intellectual Property? No

 

[Paul Rodgers]

It's simply not our governments Job to secure others intellectual property. Don't create a digital copy if you cannot secure a digital copy, period.

Is it the governments job to prosecute IP thieves? NO it is the rightsholders job. IP theft is a civil matter.
Are there laws against stealing IP? Yes

Is it the governments job to secure and protect YOUR Intellectual Property? No

These laws are making rightsholders judge, jury, and executioner.

The media industry has tried to destroy new technology time and time again through the tactics they are using today. In the end they lose the fight and embrace the technology they fought so hard to destroy.

Its really bad when these companies can't keep their employees from pirating at work.

 

[nesrinamb]

well SOPA is pretty much dead and the support for the ip act is also gone. I forgot where but i saw that the senators who originally supported SOPA now backed off and are actually against it

 

[ArtemusComputerTechnology]

I do not like it...I was involved in a discussion at work last week about it. I tottally understand the stopping of illegal material but a complete shutdown. Oh no. Overall, SOPA/SIPA is in its final stages. Soon, the subject will be old news.

 

[kevinjhaag]

It's simply not our governments Job to secure others intellectual property. Don't create a digital copy if you cannot secure a digital copy, period.

Is it the governments job to prosecute IP thieves? Yes
Are there laws against stealing IP? Yes

Is it the governments job to secure and protect YOUR Intellectual Property? No

Totally Agree with ya Tekko. Our Government is so damn busy doing this sh*t, while family, relatives, friends, veterans and other people are jobless and going homeless. Where are their priorities. Leave the Internet alone, its not broke and doesn't need any fixin' at the moment. What needs fixin' is our government and our economy for one; and that needs to be put at the top of the to do list in #1 position.

 

[J-Bob]

Don't let RegEdit find out about this thread

 

[Mr.Mike]

Totally Agree with ya Tekko. Our Government is so damn busy doing this sh*t, while family, relatives, friends, veterans and other people are jobless and going homeless. Where are their priorities. Leave the Internet alone, its not broke and doesn't need any fixin' at the moment. What needs fixin' is our government and our economy for one; and that needs to be put at the top of the to do list in #1 position.

Not to put too fine a point on it but it's Congress, not "the government" that's at the crux of this travesty. The Administration of B.Obama governs until the next Administration is elected. Congress makes the laws that the Administration is supposed to enforce. With an 84% disapproval rating, is it any surprise that crappy laws are being devised?

 

[kevinjhaag]

Not to put too fine a point on it but it's Congress, not "the government" that's at the crux of this travesty. The Administration of B.Obama governs until the next Administration is elected. Congress makes the laws that the Administration is supposed to enforce. With an 84% disapproval rating, is it any surprise that crappy laws are being devised?

Sorry, but didn't need a lesson on it. I know how it works and I know its Congress... And I really meant Congress. Just sometimes when I say Government... I'm really talking mostly about Congress. I know how everything works... I actually enjoyed a government class in college. I guess I will have to be more detailed and be more selective on the words I use; even when it comes to quick comments.

 

[OldSchoolPC]

In Soviet Russia, the Internet filters you.

 

[PC-Technix]

Not to put too fine a point on it but it's Congress, not "the government" that's at the crux of this travesty. The Administration of B.Obama governs until the next Administration is elected. Congress makes the laws that the Administration is supposed to enforce. With an 84% disapproval rating, is it any surprise that crappy laws are being devised?

I thought congress was the cause of most if not all the problems in the USA