[REQUEST] CDKDEALS Trustworthy For Buying Win 10 Pro?

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I want to upgrade my new laptop from Win 10 Home to Pro.

Watched a YouTube vid by OWNorDisown and he talked about buying keys from CDKDEALS.

He says he typed into the command prompt "SLMGR/dlv = 1001 Rearm activations", which tells him that the keys are not Volume License Keys (VLK).

Should I buy one?

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I bought Windows 10 Pro via Amazon for a gaming desktop I was going to build but abandoned to get a gaming laptop instead.

Should I use that (they go for $180 on Amazon) or should I sell it and pay $100 for the Win 10 Pro upgrade?
 
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I bought Windows 10 Pro via Amazon for a gaming desktop I was going to build but abandoned to get a gaming laptop instead.

Should I use that (they go for $180 on Amazon) or should I sell it and pay $100 for the Win 10 Pro upgrade?
 
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And, as an aside, this little bit on the CDKDEALS page raises red flags, too: This product DOESN'T support upgrading directly from the Home system to Pro system,

If not, why not? There is absolutely zero difference between what is installed on a machine for Windows 10 Home versus Windows 10 Pro. It's precisely the same underlying software. The license key is what determines what features are actually activated for use, but all of the Pro stuff is sitting there, fallow and unactivated, on a Home licensed system. Upgrading from Home to Pro is easily accomplished with a legitimate Pro license key on a Home machine by going to Settings, Update & Security, Activation Pane and using the Change Product Key link. All that happens after you give the Pro product key is that Windows goes through "throwing the switches" to turn on the Pro features.
 
Legally if you purchased an OEM version of Windows you can only use it on a system you built. If it is a Retail Boxed version then you can install it anywhere.

The reality is that no one is going to kick your door in and arrest you for using an OEM on top of the laptop version. Just know that once you install it (OEM) you cannot move it to another machine.
 
And, as an aside, this little bit on the CDKDEALS page raises red flags, too: This product DOESN'T support upgrading directly from the Home system to Pro system,

If not, why not? There is absolutely zero difference between what is installed on a machine for Windows 10 Home versus Windows 10 Pro. It's precisely the same underlying software. The license key is what determines what features are actually activated for use, but all of the Pro stuff is sitting there, fallow and unactivated, on a Home licensed system. Upgrading from Home to Pro is easily accomplished with a legitimate Pro license key on a Home machine by going to Settings, Update & Security, Activation Pane and using the Change Product Key link. All that happens after you give the Pro product key is that Windows goes through "throwing the switches" to turn on the Pro features.
Because the key is not a retail channel key. That behavior is indicative of VLKs which technically are support licenses on top of existing OEM or Retail. More proof that it’s not legitimate.
 
The reality is that no one is going to kick your door in and arrest you for using an OEM on top of the laptop version. Just know that once you install it (OEM) you cannot move it to another machine.

What follows is not, in any way, meant to encourage illegal behavior, but if anyone can even tell me what an OEM versus a Retail license is these days, then please do. And I'm talking about from a behavioral perspective. At one time you could not even get an OEM install to "take" on a second machine.

Microsoft has made it a "distinction without difference" in terms of how they have been treating both.

Add to that what someone mentioned about Windows 10, which is that you can take the system drive from one system, transplant it into another, and everything keeps running, and it gets even weirder.

On my other laptop, I purchased what most here would consider "a license key of questionable provenance" and it activated. When I check that now, under the Settings, Update & Security, Activation Pane it states, "Windows is activated with a digital license linked to your Microsoft account." And that does show up in my MS Account if I look at the specific laptop in question (but shows Version 2009 even though I am on 21H1). At one time I was getting some sort of peculiar message, that does not seem to be present now, about that license on that laptop. But my Win10 Pro license does not appear in the Services & Subscriptions section of my MS Account. Maybe they're not supposed to, but I would have thought there would be a "master list of purchased licenses" somewhere. I can't find my Office 2016 anywhere, either.
 
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Oem and retail software both have a product key. The OEM key will work once, after which you’ll get an activation failure if you try and use it on a new motherboard. If works on the first motherboard because the key is already listed as activated so the hardware hash is checked next, because the hash is now REAL key. This is why if you hit skip it will activate anyway if the hash matches.

Retail keys, because you are allowed to move will activate repeatedly.

In the case of hard drive moves that only works if the motherboard has a key or was previously activated and has an existing hash. It’s not what is on the hard drive but the motherboard that is being checked. For example if you replace the motherboard because of a repair and there’s no key in the BIOS you will get an activation failure. You have to call Microsoft and explain that you did a repair and they will issue a new key, which creates a new hash and becomes the new real key.

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What follows is not, in any way, meant to encourage illegal behavior, but if anyone can even tell me what an OEM versus a Retail license is these days, then please do. And I'm talking about from a behavioral perspective. At one time you could not even get an OEM install to "take" on a second machine.
For OEM you need to register as such with M$ as a partner. That's then allow you to buy from OEM distributors. I'm sure the major OEM's, Dell, HP, etc all deal directly with M$.

Not sure what you mean by not take. I've never had a problem installing/re-installing and registering an OEM unless it's something really old. In fact, back in the XP and W7 days I know I could take, for example a Dell recovery DVD, and install it on a Lenovo. Vice a versa. But those are all systems using SLP activation. If I've had to register using the sticker it's always worked as well.
 
I will state, quite openly, that I have very seldom had to install (or reinstall) Windows, period. I've actually done a lot more of that during the Windows 10 era than ever before.

But what I mean by "take" is if one was using a license key, and had installed MS software (regardless of whether Windows or something else), on one machine, and the license was for single seat, if you tried to install it again on *another* machine it would fail. I tried this on several occasions as an experiment, and if it was an OEM key it failed each and every time. If it was a retail key it almost always worked, even if the installation was in violation of the license terms (and, please, don't try to tell me that most of us have not been in "brief violation" when moving software from one machine to another, leaving it on the first until it has successfully installed and activated on the second, then removing it from the first).

Were I the person in charge of license verification on MS's end I would have set things up such that whatever the license terms are that are associated with a given key would be as strictly enforced as possible. Thus, even "brief violation" wouldn't be possible, if the license was shown as installed, and still active, it would not even allow install again until it had been uninstalled from where it was currently active. There are entities that do this, and it's far from impossible to do.

While we are legally, morally, and ethically obligated to follow license terms, those who are "on the other side" and doing verification and activation should also be doing what they can to prevent those terms from being violated.

That Windows 10 Pro license from the gray market being a perfect example. It is legal to resell certain license keys from decommissioned software in certain venues. It is legal for me, as an individual, to buy such licenses when offered for sale. I honestly cannot possibly know if the seller is on the up and up as far as the machine from which the license came being decommissioned. If it has been, part of that process should involve the uninstallation of all "resalable" software (or software licenses) and the licensing entity being updated to that fact as part of their uninstaller's actions. If I submit a license for activation, regardless of how it landed in my hands, it should be the entity that issues those licenses that is the arbiter of if they're OK/legitimate/available for use (first time or again). There is absolutely no way I can or should be able to know that. In this case, since Microsoft activated it, has attached it to my MS-Account and associated it with the machine I upgraded on, and everything has "stuck" for several years what earthly reason should I have to question its legitimacy?
 
That Windows 10 Pro license from the gray market being a perfect example. It is legal to resell certain license keys from decommissioned software in certain venues.
Not for OEM software from Microsoft. OEM Windows is bonded to the motherboard and legally dies when the motherboard dies.

OEMs in the past, before the keys were placed in BIOS, have sold unused stickers on the gray market. Most notable example of this was Discount Mountain. They bought keys from Dell for years and resold them and just before Windows 8 came out Microsoft suddenly woke up and shut it down.
Why did Microsoft allow it to begin with? They know a certain segment of the user base will not pay full retail. Microsoft would rather you purchase an improperly licensed version rather than resort to piracy using hacked copies that might have back doors. The discontinued yet still available free upgrade addresses this segment. Being able to join the insider program, leave, and keep a working copy of Windows for free, address this market.
 
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My central point, though, was my final one. It should not be up to me, you, or any Joe or Jane on the street to be able to reliably, 100% know whether a software key is valid or not. That is, and should be, the job of the issuing entity.

If I present a key that someone handed me on a slip of paper in a back alley in the dead of night, and then ran off, to Microsoft through its standard activation process(es - any one should do), they should be the Go/No Go arbiter. And, if they say Go, it's legit. Period. End of sentence.

No one other than the issuing entity should, in the final analysis, be the arbiter of license legitimacy because we really, really can't be, no matter how hard we might try. There are just too many things we can't possibly know in quite a number of circumstances.
 
Except that would result in more piracy. Back in the Windows 3.11 days lots of vendors popped up that were selling Windows and NOT paying Microsoft a cent. They simply duplicate the disks, printed and sold them. In the Gray market, Microsoft still gets paid or they get the choice of giving it away themselves instead of it being stolen. The company in this thread is pirating it. Stealing keys used for VLKs, which is hard to individually track.
 
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This is OEM, it lack virtualization and transfer rights but is legal: https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Pro-System-Builder/dp/B00ZSHDJ4O/

This is retail, it has virtualization and transfer rights and is also legal: https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-10-Pro-Download/dp/B01019BOEA/

The price difference used to be wider, for $40 there's no reason to use OEM licensing anymore. But as I'm sure has been noted, OEM keys will not upgrade Windows Home to Pro, because they also lack upgrade rights. Retail keys will perform the upgrade as expected.

The difference between the product skus is 100% DRM on the part of Microsoft.
 
But as I'm sure has been noted, OEM keys will not upgrade Windows Home to Pro, because they also lack upgrade rights. Retail keys will perform the upgrade as expected.

So, you're saying that the machine on which I upgraded to Windows 10 Pro should not have been able to upgrade. Barring some sort of cosmic miracle the Windows 10 Home that "came with" when I bought that machine had to be a Windows 10 OEM license installed by HP. I bought a Windows 10 Pro license key, and went through Settings, Update & Security, Activation Pane, Change product key link to do the upgrade, and it worked.

What am I missing here, since you say that "OEM keys will not upgrade Windows Home to Pro" unless you mean Windows 10 Pro OEM keys cannot be applied on top of a Windows 10 OEM instance. That's not how I initially read what you said, but do see that it is one possible reading.
 
@britechguy Windows 10 OEM keys shouldn't be able to upgrade anything. Retail is required to get upgrade rights.

That being said, if the OEM key upgraded it, you're still "licensed". The upgrade process itself is what isn't... but once you're on the other side you're licensed.

This is one of those stupid places where MS has their brains screwed in wrong. Who cares who can upgrade and who doesn't? You sold the OS right? OEM means no support, and permanently stuck to the main board in question. It's also by necessity a hardware only install, because there is no "mainboard" to lock an OEM license to in a VM. All of this makes sense, and giving it all up for a discount is reasonable.

But that you can't use OEM keys to upgrade limitation is just plain silly. I suspect you actually have a retail key that may have been sold as an OEM key. Heaven knows there's been PLENTY of issues in distribution to confuse things. One of the many reasons why Microsoft is trying to pull people into subscriptions, because it means direct purchasing, and all this error goes out the window.

Volume only makes things worse because those are all "upgrades" "unless nonprofit", but they're still upgrades... but only for the desktop OS. So if you Win10 Pro volume, you need Win10 Pro OEM on the desktop before you can use it... but you can get away with Win10 Home OEM if you're a nonprofit...

Is your head spinning? Because mine is...
 
I bought one of these keys recently from some site for like $10 to test with. Put it into PID checker and it comes back as a valid retail key. I successfully upgraded my Windows 10 Home to Pro with it. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to work in the future.

That being said I would rather buy a legit license that I know is never going to fail me.

I also would never buy any of these shady licenses for a customer nor direct them to acquire one. I always insist on proper licenses from the proper channels.
 
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