Cascading Switches Questions

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Scenario - 2 GB switches on different floors about 20m apart. I need to link them.

Should I
  • just run copper cables between them? If so, how many?
  • run fibre between them and use media converters?
  • replace with new switches and internal SFP modules and run fibre?
There would be about 15 users on each floor. Cost is not a huge problem.

TIA,
Colm
 
With 15 users 20m apart, I would think that CAT6 would be sufficient. Fiber will be faster, but almost seems overkill. A single cable is all you want.
 
I'd likely just do CAT6 'tween 'em.
But first..what are they using the network for? What are they running?
If just internet, and basic file access from a local server...a single CAT53 or 6 would be fine, sharing a gigabit uplink across 15 users would be fine.
If those 15 users on the other floor are running some heavy program(s) from a local server on the first floor....and you probably want each of the 15 users closer to a gig individually, I'd consider a 10 gig fiber backbone 'tween the switches. Because with some heavier apps...10 or 15 users sharing a single gig uplink for some heavy app...would make it slow.
 
With 15 users 20m apart, I would think that CAT6 would be sufficient. Fiber will be faster, but almost seems overkill. A single cable is all you want.

Fiber will NOT (in most setups) be faster than the CAT6 - the only difference is the media-type would typically be 1000-BASE-SX vs 1000-BASE-T, and you can run fiber 220m or 550m depending on if you have 62.5 or 50 micron vs only 100m for copper. Either way, you have 1000 mbps, full-duplex... and 20m is a short run. The ONLY time fiber is faster is if you are using TenGigabit Ethernet transceivers in a switch that supports it.
 
Scenario - 2 GB switches on different floors about 20m apart. I need to link them.

Should I
  • just run copper cables between them? If so, how many?
  • run fibre between them and use media converters?
  • replace with new switches and internal SFP modules and run fibre?
There would be about 15 users on each floor. Cost is not a huge problem.

TIA,
Colm


Running fiber between them using media converters is the worst idea of any of those as it costs as much as buying SFP modules...

The best idea here is to run copper cable(s).

That said I would typically, highly-advise against running more than one cable with cheap equipment as you are NOT going to make it any faster, but you may create a network loop making it where the entire LAN is flooding itself with storm of network frames to the point it is down. Of course, a LOT of better network equipment has loop-protect and Spanning Tree Protocol, which actually works and will put a port into blocking state.

That said, you probably still want to use something like PVST+; since, by default spanning-tree 802.1q takes up to 30 seconds to come to convergence during which time the port will flop through the states blocking, listening, learning, forwarding.

Connecting two (2) switches together with two (2) cables will likely result in spanning-tree blocking one port:


Switch Output:

Switch#sh spanning-tree

VLAN0001

Spanning tree enabled protocol ieee

Root ID Priority 32769

Address 0090.2B99.D1E9

Cost 19

Port 1(FastEthernet0/1)

Hello Time 2 sec Max Age 20 sec Forward Delay 15 sec



Bridge ID Priority 32769 (priority 32768 sys-id-ext 1)

Address 00E0.A34D.1DE3

Hello Time 2 sec Max Age 20 sec Forward Delay 15 sec

Aging Time 20



Interface Role Sts Cost Prio.Nbr Type

---------------- ---- --- --------- -------- --------------------------------

Gi0/1 Root FWD 19 128.1 P2p

Gi0/2 Altn BLK 19 128.2 P2p



If you want to do Link Aggregation, you need to create a LAG or Channel-Group


Switch1(config)#int range gi 0/1 - 2
Switch1(config-if-range)#channel-group 1 mode desirable

Switch1(config-if-range)#

Creating a port-channel interface Port-channel 1
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/1, changed state to down
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/1, changed state to up
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/2, changed state to down
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/2, changed state to up

********

Switch2(config)#int range gi 0/1 -2

Switch2(config-if-range)#channel-group 1 mode desirable

Creating a port-channel interface Port-channel 1


%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/1, changed state to down
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/1, changed state to up
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/2, changed state to down
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/2, changed state to up

%LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Port-channel 1, changed state to up
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Port-channel 1, changed state to up




Switch1#sh etherchannel port-channel

Channel-group listing:

----------------------



Group: 1

----------

Port-channels in the group:

---------------------------



Port-channel: Po1

------------



Age of the Port-channel = 00d:00h:03m:04s

Logical slot/port = 2/1 Number of ports = 2

GC = 0x00000000 HotStandBy port = null

Port state = Port-channel

Protocol = PAGP

Port Security = Disabled



Ports in the Port-channel:



Index Load Port EC state No of bits

------+------+------+------------------+-----------

0 00 Gi0/1 Desirable-Sl 0

0 00 Gi0/2 Desirable-Sl 0

Time since last port bundled: 00d:00h:03m:04s Gi0/2


Now, here is the thing... If you are mixing and matching between brands, make certain to use LACP and NOT PAGP (Cisco Only)


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I really doubt you will have an Ethernet fabric with rbridges & trill switches, but if you really have devices that support ISL links and can negotiate Layer-2 routing paths via TRILL ... then everything I posted above is irrelevant... just connect it.
 
Folks, thank you all for the replies, they're fantastic!
I'm going with copper as advised. The users won't be moving around large video files or using any server based apps so usage should be light
 
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