AMD RX-480 and ZEN - AMD's come back move

And today marks another great day for my darling stock as it moves up more in early trading :)

I will be getting the Ryzen 1800 with possibly 16 gigs. Probably not get the rx480 as I do not need all that when running linux. Just stick with my nvidia 720. I will be upgrading my storage to hotswap of some kind. I will fill the front 3.5 bays with drive caddies or whatever too. Then retire my existing computer to a dedicated cloning box with external 4 bay eSATA device that I already have :)
 
Barcelona said:
It's not a matter of "supporting Intel!" I supply what my customers want! Intel don't pay me for selling their processors.
Unfortunately AMD doesn't have a very good reputation now. I wish them all the best but unfortunately (for AMD) I need to make money - and I cant do that selling AMD!
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Over the past few years, I've found my home users, probably don't know the difference and probably don't care. If you are selling to businesses that's one thing if they actually demand that level of performance and notice it. Home users, even gamers though, when I've recommended AMD, have always seemed happy with them for years. Way I've said it, is yes the processor is not quite as powerful, but you save money, which can be put into a better video card. For most games, if you have a decent cpu and a better video card, that's going to make more difference.
 
I'm not a brand loyal person at all. I'm a best value for your money person.

I don't care who's name is on the emblem on my car, what CPU I'm running
or what the tag on my clothing says. I always try to get the best value for the
money I'm spending. Problem with AMD has been that they haven't had any
really serious offerings recently. The CPU's they've introduced in the last few
years have been at least within the ballpark of considering, but the intel lineup
has just been too strong.

My current rig is 7 years old here in a few months, and I'm looking to move on.
Having only usb 2.0, sata 2 3Gbps, and an older PCI-E bus is meh. The system
is finicky with ram sticks, and I can't get any more than 3x2 sticks to play nicely.
I'm ready for usb 3.0, latest and greatest sata bus and a big ole chunk of ram.
I'm really hoping AMD steps up enough that if anything else it really ups the value
of what you can get for your money. Intel has had no real competition since their
i3/i5/i7 CPU's launched... value was the only thing that kept AMD in the game. I'd
like to see them really close the gap in performance. If they can do that, pricing
should become very interesting.
 
One must also consider the fact that South Australia has one of the most (arguably the most) expensive electricity pricing structures in the world.
AMD's higher TDP figures mean that AMD systems cost considerably more to run than Intel systems - especially in a business situation.
I dont know your demographic, but around here customers are fairly "switched on" to tech trends and taking them for granted would be a mistake on my part.
I admit, there are some that just want to save money but most want to be "future proof" which Intel systems give them.
 
Barcelona said:
One must also consider the fact that South Australia has one of the most (arguably the most) expensive electricity pricing structures in the world.
AMD's higher TDP figures mean that AMD systems cost considerably more to run than Intel systems - especially in a business situation.
I dont know your demographic, but around here customers are fairly "switched on" to tech trends and taking them for granted would be a mistake on my part.
I admit, there are some that just want to save money but most want to be "future proof" which Intel systems give them.
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Care to substantiate that?

I'm all about saving on electricity, as someone who has to pay a monthly electric bill that seems to be a lot higher than it should I do
everything I can to save on power. I didn't see the TDP figures for the new Ryzen CPU's against Intels latest offerings though.
 
In my own humble opinion...It has been my experience that Intel systems, in the long term, offer a better ROI by reduced electricity costs, less generated heat and less failures caused by over heated systems. Also being faster in processing speed reduces the amount of time to do "productive work."
In a business environment, even a tiny amount saved, whether only one server/workstation or many, it all adds up!
 
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-review-leaked/

Just saw this today. The last line of the article the guy says "It’s official, folks, AMD is back."

The crux of the article seems to say that the cpu they tested is within a few percentage points of Intel's i7 6900k. So not quite that performance, but close, and should be at a nice cost savings. Which is acceptable if they keep refreshing.

Power consumption, another site shows a 6900k at 140 watts, and Ryzen shows 95 watts. So there is another argument out the window.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-prod...or-release-date-price-specs-features-3643552/
 
ohio_grad_06 said:
Power consumption, another site shows a 6900k at 140 watts, and Ryzen shows 95 watts. So there is another argument out the window.
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How is that "argument out the window?" It's an historical fact that AMD processors used more power for less return than Intel.
From the article you link to above " the eight-core Ryzen is rumoured to consume 95 watts."
I really don't see that changing -despite the "marketing hyperbole" and "rumours!"
 
Barcelona said:
How is that "argument out the window?" It's an historical fact that AMD processors used more power for less return than Intel.
From the article you link to above " the eight-core Ryzen is rumoured to consume 95 watts."
I really don't see that changing -despite the "marketing hyperbole" and "rumours!"
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Its only a "Historical Fact" if we were living back in 2006. AMD is not the same company that it once was.

We have to stand back from the forest and look at the big picture to see what is actually going on here. AMD was near bankruptcy but with a new CEO (Lisa Su) and new products you cannot judge them on their past performance.

Anyway you look at it, Next month will provide the proof that AMD is a turn around company that is destined to rival Intel. However, Many will say that its not possible as Intel is such a big company with a lot of cash. However, I would argue that many companies that get that large get lazy over time and lose the will to compete. This provides the opportunity for other companies to steal their market share. Now, Intel is releasing a processor to rival the Ryzen. However, There is nothing really new with this processor. Its just a stop gap because they have nothing new to offer. It will take them at least two years to come up with a new design and get it to market. In this time period AMD can be (and probably will) be moving on to its next line of processors.

With so many changes at AMD right now you cannot judge their upcoming line up of processors/graphics on metrics that were valid over 10 years ago. You have to look at what they are doing now and what this means for the industry. This is why their stock price is ramping up and should hit 20 by 3rd quarter of this year.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
 
 
coffee said:
Now, Intel is releasing a processor to rival the Ryzen.
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That's a strange statement?
Intel have (already released for laptops) and (just about to release for desktops) the 7th Gen "Kaby Lake" lineup. They've already got better stuff than the "new" AMD lineup!
coffee said:
Its only a "Historical Fact" if we were living back in 2006. AMD is not the same company that it once was.
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I have to totally disagree here! AMD have not been comparable to Intel in any way since, well, from today back!
coffee said:
Bringing this to a close we have to remark on one of Ryzen’s surprising strong suits and that’s its efficiency. Despite having double the cores, threads and cache it somehow manages to only dissipate 95 watts of power. Granted the 7700K is clocked significantly higher but all of AMD’s 8 core Ryzen chips that we’ve seen to date manage to come in at 45 watts and even up to 75 watts below their most directly comparable Intel counterpart, the 140W eight core i7 6900K. It will be very interesting to see if Ryzen chips will live up to their impressive TDP ratings in real-world independent testing.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
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This is all still rumour and "best guess!"
 
In all honesty...
I really do hope that the new Ryzen chips live up to their claims. AMD have always been the "poor cousin" to Intel. I would love to see a real competitor for Intel again like they were in the early 2000's. (Despite the TDP difference)
It also would be good to give customers more choice, especially in the budget end, but Intel pretty much have that covered as well with Celeron, Pentium and i3 chips.
AMD have always struggled with TDP v speed and unfortunately, in today's world, saving money is paramount.
I hope your stock prices soar!:D
 
Barcelona said:
In my own humble opinion...It has been my experience that Intel systems, in the long term, offer a better ROI by reduced electricity costs, less generated heat and less failures caused by over heated systems. Also being faster in processing speed reduces the amount of time to do "productive work."
In a business environment, even a tiny amount saved, whether only one server/workstation or many, it all adds up!
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Eh, I guess I can agree with that. I just don't like the term "future proof".
More efficent is probably what I like better, maybe even better longevity...
"future proof" in the tech world is a very odd term, when stuff becomes
obsolete so quickly.
 
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I really don't know that this will mean that Intel will fail....
but the early impressions are that they will be given a
lot more competition then they are used to having...
 
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Barcelona said:
That's a strange statement?
Intel have (already released for laptops) and (just about to release for desktops) the 7th Gen "Kaby Lake" lineup. They've already got better stuff than the "new" AMD lineup!

I have to totally disagree here! AMD have not been comparable to Intel in any way since, well, from today back!

This is all still rumour and "best guess!"
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Wrong my friend. Guess again. Back when the Pentium D was out, and AMD came out with the Athlon 64, they caught intel napping and were the performance leader for a little while there. Only when Intel caught up and brought out the Core 2 Duo chips did they begin to dominate again. Here's an old Forbes article from 2014 that tells about it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerka...amd-the-juggernaut-vs-the-squid/#42c90d791a1b

The issue was that AMD is a smaller company. Buying ATI a few years back nearly did them in with all the debt they took on, but I think now it's paying off. In fact, AMD is eating Intel's lunch in graphics. Intel recently licensed AMD graphics to use with their chips.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasr...ensing-radeon-graphics-to-intel/#7dfddb4d7719

Now couple it all with the fact it appears AMD is about to be in spitting distance of intel on cpu performance. So how was it that AMD has not been competitive? Sure they are like the story of David and Goliath, but we know how that turned out.
 
Ok. So AMD were competitive - once - a long time ago!
I don't sell AMD because people don't want them.
That's really all that matters to me.
 
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