Windows 8 ... Wow.

Wheelie

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I am still on the fence and trying to be balanced about my view of Windows 8. Microsoft has been "berry berry good to me" over the years.

Going from Vista or XP to Windows 7 was fairly easy. Not much changed. Even when my "senior" customers thought they'd have trouble with "change" they rarely called back with issues. But Windows 8? Wow. Completely different and totally changes the function of the computer IMHO. Very little is the same.

It is quite clear that the whole intent of the win8 platform is to move users from Google/Apple products to Microsoft products. It is an attempt to claw back users they have lost over the past several years. I do not see the entire path they've laid out yet but the intent does seem quite clear.

The problem for me personally is that I already have everything in my Google Android phone and iTunes for music. Windows 8 wants me to now change and use their e-mail, their calendar, their cloud, their photos, their music, and their messaging ... none of which do I want to switch to. I am already embedded in Google for mail, calendar, contacts, etc. If I switch to the Win 8 platform my phone (business) becomes significantly less useful. But that is just me.

But I am sure. As we speak .... millions of people ARE switching. This could be brilliant. I just do not fully understand the flow chart path they have chosen for this to work but it looks like ---> start with PC's then follow up with phones and tablets and voila! Millions and millions are on Microsoft! Microsoft desperately needs to get back into this game or they will die a slow and painful death.

For me? So far I am not comfortable with the transition. The Windows 8 interface is not to my liking at all b/c it has changed everything about the way I use a PC and is forcing me to relearn something I already know how to do. So far this seems stupid and makes me mad. It is confusing and it has also angered a few of my early adopter customers. Furthermore if one does not log in with a Windows Live account the PC is fairly useless. But who knows. The world may receive it better than me and my tiny microcosm of users.

Kudos to MS for forcing the change. Windows 8 is certainly being shoved down our collective throats now that it is being delivered on all PC's without (much) choice. It seems like everything on the shelf now has Win8 on it? Is this correct? I guess the average Joe User will knowingly or unknowingly switch?

Time will tell how this is received.
 
I'm not switching or recommending it to anyone. In fact if someone has 8 I'll be recommending 7 or Linux. As for millions of people going to win8 no way. I'm betting they have sold very few and those came pre-installed. I'm also betting in a week or two they will be coming back.
 
I will compare win8 to hurricane sandy. Good luck to anyone using it.

I have also recommended to my customers to either stay on win7 or move to linux. I dont see it catching on with the mainstream users. Im sure business systems will not go with it.

Can you imagine those going to a brick and mortar store and getting a new pc and finding win8 on it?? I bet they get alot of returns or make some money selling them win7 LOL!

coffee
 
Install a Start Menu replacement if needed and forget about the Start Screen if it is a nuisance.

If you have 8 Pro, underneath it all are some pretty cool features like Storage Pool, File History and Bitlocker (which was previously only available with Ultimate)
There are quite a few Windows Explorer enhancements as well.

Admittedly I hated it at first but slowly finding stuff to like.
 
Install a Start Menu replacement if needed and forget about the Start Screen if it is a nuisance.

If you have 8 Pro, underneath it all are some pretty cool features like Storage Pool, File History and Bitlocker (which was previously only available with Ultimate)
There are quite a few Windows Explorer enhancements as well.

Admittedly I hated it at first but slowly finding stuff to like.

So whats the point in "upgrading" if you are just going to turn it into Win 7 anyway? I say if it ain't broke don't fix it till it is. Anyone looking at Win8 could do everything on Win7 and faster And more efficient.
 
I understand staying with Win 7 but I don't understand this:

"Mr customer, your new computer has a new interface that may be a challenge to learn, but even though all your programs still work and support is widely available, you should switch to a different OS. Oh, and there aren't direct replacements for some of the programs you use now, so you'll have to learn to use new programs as well."
 
wow

there are really a lot of threads appearing with a lot of very strong negative views about "W8"

A couple of things occur to me in regard to this.

Firstly, W8 works. Its not buggy, glitchy, unreliable. It does what its meant to do. (thats good, right?)

Secondly, the "hard to use it" argument

Seriously? - technicians, finding windows 7 with a couple of minor interface tweaks difficult to use? This incarnation = "difficult" really, rubs me up the wrong way. Difficult was when MS operating systems really were garbage, hard to work on, unreliable (yes, the old days). Windows 8 is not 'difficult' compared to DOS and 3.11. Its not even that 'different' to 7.

Ive been using it full time 3 months now I think, and have no problems.

The only thing I do differently is make use of the 'windows' key and type. Actually, I did that with 7 anyway. Its not even a habit change. It works the same way!

All this really negative "I hate it" stuff - of course everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it seems just a tad on the reactive side to me.

From where Im standing its perfectly useable. Really not that hard, and now that Im used to it am, speaking personally, quite happy on both my work and home machines.

Just my 5c.

Oh, yeah, and in regard to 'customers' using it, no problem me recommending. I will show them the windows key. Thats all they need to know. Any end-user can do this. Thats the target market, after all. Its not 'too difficult' for them. They are end-users, not retards (although sometimes its a subtle distinction) [JOKING!] :) :)

Nah seriously, none of this stuff is rocket science. In 6 months everyone will be looking back and going... "so what?".

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I don't think installing a Start Menu turns it into Windows 7 :)


I know. My point was if someone is perfectly happy with Windows 7 they are not really going to gain anything with Windows 8. Maybe some frustration when they try to perform basic tasks. Also, if the "new" fisher price interface is so great why install a start menu? Its obviously not needed.


@16k_zx81

Of course you are speaking from a techs point of view and mind set. Being: I love new tech and I'm willing to dive right into any OS (other than maybe OSX cause most techs think its evil) Learn it and be happy with it. Yay

Now the average computer users prospective: Windows has had the same basic layout for over 20 years and its always done what I needed it to do. I know how to use it and I know my way around. What is this piece of $%&@?
 
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... Seriously? - technicians, finding windows 7 with a couple of minor interface tweaks difficult to use? This incarnation = "difficult" really, rubs me up the wrong way. Difficult was when MS operating systems really were garbage, hard to work on, unreliable (yes, the old days).
I did not complain about difficulty and I did not intend to rub you the wrong way. This is a seroius topic and is why you are seeing so many posts on it. It is downright confusing. People are asking "why" and it's not just in this forum. People are asking this all over the world. Simply shuffling everything around, taking away functionality, and putting a cutesie bubble gum interface on it is confusing end users everywhere (including me). For what end? I really do not get it and I don't see the benefit.

And which way do you use it? With the cutesie interface or did you revert it back to Windows 7?

This is about a power grab by Microsoft to get customers back (which they need to do to stop the bleeding). They are bleeding pretty badly right now and this is an almost overt/subliminal way to claw back customers (if there is such a thing). They posted their first ever quarterly loss in June and that is the proverbial shot across the bow. They are freaked right now.

There is no real benefit going from Windows XP, Vista, or 7 to Windows 8 that I can tell unless you simply like the next new thing regardless of benefit or you like cutesie bells and whistles, and/or you are a diehard MS fan. I do not want to move my everything (from Android & Google) over Microsoft on a whim. So I have to ask "why".

This is a brand loyalty issue of a magnitude yet to be seen. I suspect MS will get back into the game with Windows 8. But they dropped the ball big time by ignoring the impact of the iPhone 5 years ago and the iPad right after that. They let several years (and multimillion users) slip by before realizing this could wipe them out. This is a big deal. Their survival depends on it.

I suspect there are other yet to be announced benefits of Windows 8. There must be some benefit deeper inside for the corporate scene that makes life bigger better faster.
 
I've done about 15 Windows 8 upgrades in the past 1.5 weeks. The Windows 8 interface is not something an average user has had an issue with at all. Just explain it to them as the new Start Menu. Instead of there being a Start Menu in the lower left corner, it is now full screen.

From a business view of things, Windows 8 is here and it isn't going anywhere. If my company doesn't upgrade my clients, they will get it done elsewhere.
 
I haven’t seen any Windows 8 PC’s yet, and when I do I wil have to support them. I’m not recommending customer’s go to Windows 8. I did find some interesting articles on Windows 8 I pasted them below:

Windows 8 Versus Windows 7: Game Performance, Benchmarked

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

From the Website:
I believe Gabe's main issue with Windows 8, and it's one he's addressed, is the new Windows Store. This is Microsoft's equivalent of Apple's App store, and the company similarly takes a 30% cut of everything sold there. An ever bigger concern is that Microsoft might disallow certain software to run on its new operating system. Sound a little like Apple's closed platform? The development community is rightly afraid that Microsoft's Windows Store is going down the same path. And while it's clear that the company will exercise control over what is offered in its Store, nobody is certain what will happen outside of it. Hence, Newell is willing to spend (or at least threaten to spend) big money on development for Linux.

8 worst Windows 8 irritations (and how to fix them)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013667/8-worst-windows-8-irritations-and-how-to-fix-them.html
 
Ive been using Win 8 for about 6 weeks. Initially I did not like it at all. But I figured that it is out there and eventually I'm going to get calls for support so I'd better get up to speed.

I have to say that it's actually growing on me...I installed it on a 6 year old pc that I had in the shop that was running Vista. It appears to load faster and the machine seems much more responsive than before. Maybe it's my imagination but I doubt it. All programs I use work without issue.

I won't be recommending it to any of my clients as most of them are not sophisticated users and freak whenever anything changes. On the positive side I'll probably get some calls from people who will need instruction on how to use their new system...That's ok with me..lol....
 
I won't be recommending it to any of my clients as most of them are not sophisticated users and freak whenever anything changes. On the positive side I'll probably get some calls from people who will need instruction on how to use their new system...That's ok with me..lol....

Mate, my wife is about the least geeky person on the planet. Here's the conversation from two months ago when I put the MDSN version on our home machine:

Her: "How do I find my programs"

Me: "Hit the windows key and type the name"

... later on...

Her: "How do I shut it down?"

Me: "swipe your mouse to the right, and click on the cog"

In the last 2 months - she uses the PC every day for facebook and ebay, email, etc, I have not had one single "windows 8" question from her.

Not one. single. "windows 8". question.

And no its not because I charge her by the hour for tech support <joke> :)

"too hard for end users" - pah.

You know they are selling windows 8 pc's off the shelf right now without requiring customers to complete any training course first, right? :eek:

Jim
 
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I agree with 16K, this conversation comes up just about everytime MS comes out with a new OS. I have only used 8 a few times, connected to wireless, network shares and IP printers. It worked and worked quickly. Some issues with IE10, make sure you are using compatibility mode.
The corp world will use it.......in a couple years, just an opinion.
 
The real answer about 8 is gonna be sales numbers.

Depends on who you believe as well

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/t...-upgrades-sold-already-says-ballmer-1C6759780

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-rt-and-8-sales-signs-point-major-flop-206847

But all it takes is for some bad press to pickup momentum, and we end up with a another Vista situation. I still have people coming in talking about how bad Vista is, and the truth is, it runs fine with updates applied, and really Windows 7 is just Vista fixed IMHO.
 
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