/rant Windows 7 - the last Windows I'll ever use.

seedubya said:
This Irish farmer knows that Wisconsin is the Dairy State. Quite a number of Irish farm families, fed up with falling incomes and red tape here have sold up and headed to Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. More power to them!
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The attitudes, values, sub-culture, etc. are very much the same in these three states. Mostly rural and small-town (trust your neighbor until proven otherwise) and like it this way.
 
JoeTech said:
I don't think customers running windows 10 actually know that a build upgrade is actually a new version of windows each time. Unlike previous versions it's not just an update but the core o/s stays the same. People are already bad at backup, but now every 6 months they are at risk of losing everything to a failed build upgrade. I have several occasions where the upgrade failed and the user profile is nowhere to be found having to resort to R-studio data recovery software to recover it. So now it is even more important then ever to have good backups because if ransomware doesn't get you, then a build upgrade probably will.

I would like to say windows 7 will be the last windows I ever use, but I know it won't be. My main pc at home is still windows 7 but it is a 2nd gen intel I5 and in need of an upgrade soon so will have to eventually bite the bullet and upgrade to 10. I wouldn't mind switching to Apple, but I'm not going to overpay for hardware I can't fix myself because they have it locked down so tight. Ok that's my little rant before I start my weekend.
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Yeah any new windows 10 pc I setup now that has any important data I sell them an external and get at least 1 image on there before I'm done. If they opt not to I tell them they'll pay more later when updates botch it. 10's headaches are ok to deal with if there's available image backups. If not it really sucks lol.
 
lan101 said:
Yeah any new windows 10 pc I setup now that has any important data I sell them an external and get at least 1 image on there before I'm done. If they opt not to I tell them they'll pay more later when updates botch it.
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I do exactly the same even though I do not see all those "issues". :rolleyes:;)
 
Diggs said:
The attitudes, values, sub-culture, etc. are very much the same in these three states. Mostly rural and small-town (trust your neighbor until proven otherwise) and like it this way.
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I think farmers and country people in general are pretty much the same all over. Might be why Garth Brooks wrote us a song!
 
frase said:
I generally ask do you own an external hard drive for backup, if not upsell one + data backup/recovery
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Good idea. I am gonna be more agressive on that front end. I know if the client does have an external I will setup System Images backups to their external with Macrium Reflect and show them it backing it up. But being more adamant about them having a proper backup and referencing these updates makes too much sense.
 
I've been running win 10 quite a while now, and have had very little issues.

If someones problem is privacy, they are delusional if they think they are any "safer" with win 7, or linux, or OSX. The NSA and all those other overpaid agencies are still getting any and everything they want on you. Believe it. If you have an internet connection, they are listening in.

I think the hate for win 10 boils down to two things: people who hate windows (usually, although not always, just to hate for the sake of hating) and people who hate change.

There have been a few bumps in the road, but over all I'm quite pleased with Win 10. Having said that, I don't support a large volume of machines running the OS either. Mainly my own workstation, and half a dozen or so at my part time job.
 
The OS isn't the problem in terms of privacy, all the online services you use are. If you don't use anything online, you can be private. You just cannot function well in modern society that way.

My primary complaint of Windows 10 is the semi-annual update cycle. We should be going through these feature updates annually, not semi-annually. It's just too rapid of a march for all the required 3rd parties to keep up. And you see it, because the quality of code everywhere has degraded. That is the fault of the speed of the march, not the platform that's marching.
 
I too have 110% embraced Win 10. I just disconnected my dual boot 7/10 spinner drive from my bench machine and slapped in a 120 ssd and went 10 only on that machine I use for testing and data recovery.

Just ordered 2 32 gig SSD's for my Win 10 Home and Pro audit mode images and use a slide in dock in the 3.5 bay to swap those out to update them each month.

So now I will have 3 slide in 2.5 sata's for that machine.
 
Do you know?, my company uses Linux on the Desktop and Servers, however, that being said... My second main Office machine is Windows 8.1. It has been on the same 8.1 image for at least 4 years. I don't need 10, 10 is a headache. I mean, whats with the latest update changing the keyboard region to US? that has upset a lot of our clients (we are in the UK), phones calls have been "where has my pound key gone?", luckily it's a case of clicking ENG on the taskbar and clicking UK.. but honestly....why?

Anyway, my favourited Windows combination is Windows 8.1 and Office 2013.. If I really *Must* use Windows. 8.1 is fast enough too.
 
sctechsystems said:
......I mean, whats with the latest update changing the keyboard region to US? that has upset a lot of our clients (we are in the UK), phones calls have been "where has my pound key gone?"......but honestly....why?
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Just laying the groundwork for our future takeover and Freedom Unit implementation. Shhhhhhh, just let it happen.
 
sctechsystems said:
It seems like with Windows 10, everything is an extra 5 clicks away, and/or you have to search for something rather than knowing where it is!
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You've admitted you haven't changed you 8.1 image in four years but yet you don't like Win10 because you don't "know" it. Sounds self-inflicted to me. I can't imagine you being successful in this business without being current and embracing the changes in our industry? If you don't know Win10, how do you help your clients?
 
shellofinsanity said:
No real issues, I love 10, though the next version has that cloud clipboard, which doesn't look hippa friendly at all.
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I think this would be for cloud-connected installations of Windows 10 only. In healthcare support we never connect a Microsoft account to a computer; it's either domain-joined or standalone workgroup and uses a terminal server.
 
I have embraced Windows 10 myself, but keep machines running all the other options under the sun, as I'm sure most of us do! I always image the machine before installing any Windows 10 updates on my own machines because of the sheer number of clients that come to me with problems after installing updates, some small, some huge.

Today I had a fairly tech savvy client with a bitlocker encrypted Surface Pro 4 who had done the 1803 update and after the reboot was left with a non-booting device, presented with the "Choose your keyboard layout" screen. On closer inspection the Windows directory was a complete mess. A large amount of my business at the moment is related to these large updates and I suspect that will continue.

So from a business point of view, Windows 10 is great!
 
Diggs said:
You've admitted you haven't changed you 8.1 image in four years but yet you don't like Win10 because you don't "know" it. Sounds self-inflicted to me. I can't imagine you being successful in this business without being current and embracing the changes in our industry? If you don't know Win10, how do you help your clients?
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I have a lot of clients running 10, I just don't use it personally though I support clients that do. I was merely saying that 10 isn't as easy as previous OS's to get to grips with as an end user, I find 8.1 flows better than 10 - so I'll be sticking with 8.1 for now. don't worry I'm pretty current on the latest stuff, I have around 4 Server 2016 servers for example. I just think 10 is a bit of a mess.
 
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