Is anyone else steering people away from Win 7?

Cornerstone Technologies said:
If it is NOT the clients disc, then you cant do it, especcially if they do not have Pro or Ultimate. I know the requirements. Read the inflection of the post that I referenced.
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I'll just leave this here, then leave the thread...

http://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/what_to_do_downgrade_rights.aspx

Q. Where does the system builder or end user get the Windows Vista Professional, Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Vista Business, Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, or Windows XP x64 Edition media disk to perform the downgrade?

A. The downgrade media can be media associated with any prior legally licensed version from the OEM system builder or retail channels. Additionally, an end user, who is licensed separately through Microsoft Volume Licensing programs, may provide their Volume Licensing media and key to their system builder to use to facilitate the downgrade on only their systems.
 
colonydata said:
never heard of a hard drive with a mac address.
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Every device on your computer has a machine address or serial number that windows uses to identify the system.

BTK serial murderer never new that every single Word document has code identifying the computer, user, IP address of the machine it was created on until he was arrested last year.
 
ljtechservices said:
I'll just leave this here, then leave the thread...

http://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/what_to_do_downgrade_rights.aspx

Q. Where does the system builder or end user get the Windows Vista Professional, Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Vista Business, Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, or Windows XP x64 Edition media disk to perform the downgrade?

A. The downgrade media can be media associated with any prior legally licensed version from the OEM system builder or retail channels. Additionally, an end user, who is licensed separately through Microsoft Volume Licensing programs, may provide their Volume Licensing media and key to their system builder to use to facilitate the downgrade on only their systems.
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This is exactly what our Microsoft rep told us. its your problem to find the media and find a COA but its legal to downgrade one system of the same caliber. Vista Home to XP Home....
 
16k_zx81 said:
..... I don't proselytize if I can avoid it.....
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How can you possibly consult in IT if this is so?

Do you not recommend backup medium? Hard drive brands? CPU brand? Hardware? Topology of Networks? our entire job is proselytizing and if our customers don't need our knowledge then why would they pay us $120 per hour for our advice?

There hasn't been a version of Microsoft Windows since 98 that most EXPERIENCED tech's and consultant's haven't recommended staying away from until at least service pack 1 comes out. Microsoft is known for releasing beta quality software and then fixing it a few months down the line.

If this is a misconception then great, we will find out soon enough and that is another matter all together. But the difference in a parts changer and a consultant is one changes parts and the other offers advice......some call proselytizing.
 
I'm confused by this a bit,

I've reinstalled dozens of Win 7 installations onto new HDDs with no problems. I'm not aware of what an HDD MAC is. The media from Dell and other manufacturers don't check the HDD they look for a code in the BIOS to ensure it is one of their own PCs.

So where is the problem?

With regards to steering customers away from Windows? No way am I doing that. I've tried some of zillions of linux versions and I don't like them as much as WIndows and they can be confusing to me yet alone my customers. They want Windows and that is what they get.
 
I think the MAC address is being confused with the hard drive ID which is also in Hexadecimal. Both can be changed in Windows mostly.
 
Martyn said:
I think the MAC address is being confused with the hard drive ID which is also in Hexadecimal. Both can be changed in Windows mostly.
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Yeah HDDs have serial numbers too. But does Windows 7 check for them and refuse to install? I guess they are part of the overall system fingerprint but then a call to the licencing line solves problems like that.
 
Not sure MT I don't think so. We used to change the hard drive ID sometimes if we had problems with some of our software licencing which did use the hard drive id as part of it's registration algorithm
 
done plenty of reinstalls on windows 7 with dells and other manufacturers, with new hard drives. if not using original media then you may have to phone up the activation line. there should be no problems with original media as it doesnt need activating though
 
Tony_Scarpelli said:
This is exactly what our Microsoft rep told us. its your problem to find the media and find a COA but its legal to downgrade one system of the same caliber. Vista Home to XP Home....
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This is incorrect.

Downgrade rights apply to business class software only. Home versions are specifically excluded.
 
seedubya said:
This is incorrect.

Downgrade rights apply to business class software only. Home versions are specifically excluded.
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Exactly. Now I don't know why the OP thinks you have to get a new coa for a new harddrive. Never had this issue. In fact, I have activated windows 7 online on completely different computers quite a few times. I have permission to do so, but still it's possible. And one of my other keys I just have to call in on and I have done that like over 8 times. I don't think there is a count....

Mike

Tapin' the talk from my Droid x2.
 
the only thing i heard was that if you changed the motherboard you were SUPPOSED to buy a new COA because its technically a different machine, but when ive called microsoft and activated it, said i replaced the motherboard and they didnt seem to care.
 
I am aware of the fact that Hard Drives have a Serial number, but a MAC and a serial number are too entirely different things.

seems to me like the OP flew off the handle a bit to quickly, probably should have gone and checked on all the details with his lead tech, and maybe perform a little bit of research before going off on a rant?

and no i do not proselytize, i give the client my honest opinion on what technology would best fit there need. i also do not bash technologies, brands,etc to my clients, because it makes it a lot easier if later down the road that technology or brand turns out to be the best choice for my client.
 
You're streering people away from Windows 7 based on what your tech has told you about product activation, even though you have no idea if he's burning disks himself off of ThePirateBay or using real deal media? Not the route I would go.

Hard drives do not have MAC addresses. The only thing I've ever seen Windows use to identify hardware is the motherboard and the CPU. Not the hard drive or the cd rom drive or whatever else.
 
Tony_Scarpelli said:
How can you possibly consult in IT if this is so?

Do you not recommend backup medium? Hard drive brands? CPU brand? Hardware? Topology of Networks? our entire job is proselytizing and if our customers don't need our knowledge then why would they pay us $120 per hour for our advice?

There hasn't been a version of Microsoft Windows since 98 that most EXPERIENCED tech's and consultant's haven't recommended staying away from until at least service pack 1 comes out. Microsoft is known for releasing beta quality software and then fixing it a few months down the line.

If this is a misconception then great, we will find out soon enough and that is another matter all together. But the difference in a parts changer and a consultant is one changes parts and the other offers advice......some call proselytizing.
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I think what he means its it not right to tell everyone not to use a brand or company's product just because you dont like it, I don't like HP but that doesn't stop me form selling HP Printers when requested, I will just recommend a different brand like Canon or Epson when I'm asked what I would use/recommend then I let the client make the decision.

To complain about and blackball Microsoft because your techs can't figure out the proper procedure for re-installing Windows 7 on a Dell laptop is silly at best.
 
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