Idea for guaranteeing payment is received..

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1.) Ask for half the payment upfront

2.) Ask for the password for the machine

3.) Change the password to one of your choosing

4.) Operate and Fix the machine

5.) Return the computer with the new password and return their old password once the other half of the payment is received. So that way they will have their machine back; but not have access to it until the rest is paid.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?
 
1.) Ask for half the payment upfront

2.) Ask for the password for the machine

3.) Change the password to one of your choosing

4.) Operate and Fix the machine

5.) Return the computer with the new password and return their old password once the other half of the payment is received. So that way they will have their machine back; but not have access to it until the rest is paid.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?

I would say awful idea, just really bad...

I would never dream of doing that to a customer, it's like blackmail and I very much doubt it's legal.
 
1.) Ask for half the payment upfront

2.) Ask for the password for the machine

3.) Change the password to one of your choosing

4.) Operate and Fix the machine

5.) Return the computer with the new password and return their old password once the other half of the payment is received. So that way they will have their machine back; but not have access to it until the rest is paid.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?

So you agree this with the customer up front? Absolutely no way I would do that. Most people I get to pay afterwards for remote fixes.
 
I would say awful idea, just really bad...

I would never dream of doing that to a customer, it's like blackmail and I very much doubt it's legal.

lmao, didnt look at it that way. In some states its even legal to keep or repo someone's machine if they haven't paid you. Putting a password on it doesn't seem half as bad. It's not blackmail; their are always penalties for not paying.. getting your car taken, getting your lights cut off, cable cut off, etc etc. If that's blackmail than every company on the planet is guilty of it. It's just something i threw out there. What would be a better idea?
 
lmao, didnt look at it that way. In some states its even legal to keep or repo someone's machine if they haven't paid you. Putting a password on it doesn't seem half as bad. It's not blackmail; their are always penalties for not paying.. getting your car taken, getting your lights cut off, cable cut off, etc etc. If that's blackmail than every company on the planet is guilty of it. It's just something i threw out there. What would be a better idea?

Can you imagine the conversation:

Me - Hi just calling to say your computers fixed, virus gone and your files are back.
Customer - oh that's great thanks
Me - by the way just to make sure you pay me I changed your password and I'm not telling you the new one until you pay. Is that ok?
Customer - wtf!!!
 
Can you imagine the conversation:

Me - Hi just calling to say your computers fixed, virus gone and your files are back.
Customer - oh that's great thanks
Me - by the way just to make sure you pay me I changed your password and I'm not telling you the new one until you pay. Is that ok?
Customer - wtf!!!


haha! Sure it sounds bad if you word it that way; but what if they agreed beforehand? Give me some idea lol
 
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haha! I guess i didn't think about it like that. But what do you think I should do?

Lucky I've not come across that yet but I think as long as you have a solid agreement and T&C's in place signed before you start the work you are good.

Non payment and I would politely remind them a few times before last resort threatening to take them to court and then depending on how much it was go to court or write it off.
 
Make them pay in full upon pickup, or invoice them and take a risk.

Say their like "Oh sorry, something came up. I don't have the money right now" How should i politely access this while giving them a deadline? How long should this deadline be? Should I add late fees and if so after how long?
 
Say their like "Oh sorry, something came up. I don't have the money right now" How should i politely access this while giving them a deadline? How long should this deadline be? Should I add late fees and if so after how long?

What does your market research tell you?
 
Say their like "Oh sorry, something came up. I don't have the money right now" How should i politely access this while giving them a deadline? How long should this deadline be? Should I add late fees and if so after how long?

That's why you need solid T&C's signed before you start work. They should state what the outcome is for things like late payment, non collection of goods, labour rates, payment terms etc.. That way both parties are clear before hand.
 
1.) Ask for half the payment upfront

2.) Ask for the password for the machine

3.) Change the password to one of your choosing

4.) Operate and Fix the machine

5.) Return the computer with the new password and return their old password once the other half of the payment is received. So that way they will have their machine back; but not have access to it until the rest is paid.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?


Getting paid for your work shouldn't be so difficult. Treat your customers right, do a good job and getting paid will rarely be a problem.

Regardless of whether they agree up front, if you treat your customers like criminals you'll get your money for the first job - but repeat & referral business will be a foreign concept.
 
Getting paid for your work shouldn't be so difficult. Treat your customers right, do a good job and getting paid will rarely be a problem.

Regardless of whether they agree up front, if you treat your customers like criminals you'll get your money for the first job - but repeat & referral business will be a foreign concept.

Well, I was kind of iffy on the whole idea as a whole. I figured I'd come here to run it throug the community.
 
Can you imagine the conversation:

Me - Hi just calling to say your computers fixed, virus gone and your files are back.
Customer - oh that's great thanks
Me - by the way just to make sure you pay me I changed your password and I'm not telling you the new one until you pay. Is that ok?
Customer - wtf!!!

Not to mention any half minded individual with access to youtube can easily learn how to use Offline NT anyways.
 
Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?

I guess the equation you need to think about is to what extent any policy like this will get you paid (objective) at the cost of alienating customers (unintended effect).

Everyone wants to get paid, but if your policy for ensuring this is costing you business (I think its pretty clear from the conversation above that it would) then you have to wonder about its usefulness.

Same with any 'policy' position. Its a benefits vs cost equation.

My policy:

T&C are sent to EVERY CUSTOMER
NO WORK is carried out until the T&C is signed
(I get around this on pickup and delivery jobs - ie jobs where I never see the customer face to face by using an email form. If they dont have access to email, I use an automated SMS which refers to reading the T&C on the website, to which they have to reply YES, indicating they have read and understood the terms)
No payment, no computer
No extended 'payment terms' to any customer.
Discretionally, I invoice customers I know and trust. Those that dont pay by a reasonable deadline get a daily phone call from me and a friendly reminder.

Oh, and the T&C has a clause about me owning their immortal soul with rider that it may be transferred to a third party for cash equivalent if they dont come up with the goods on time. [evil laugh with reverb]

Bwooohahahahaharrrrgh!

:)

<joking>

Everyone has their own way of doing this. The above with the exception of one thing which I made up - will leave it up to you to discover - is just what I have found works for me.

My customers generally understand that the T&C is not negotiable - in fact I have had no one balk or complain about signing it.

The T&C make the payment terms abundantly clear - whats expected, when its expected, how it needs to occur, and what happens if it doesnt occur. There are no surprises for the customer when its crunch time as the terms are set by the document.

There is an additional clause in the T&C whereby I am legally entitled by local laws to SELL customer property that is not claimed/paid for within 30 days to recoup debt. In the area I work, this is the law. I have only had to do this once, but it was a useful addition as it gave the customer nowhere to go and no grounds for complaint after the fact.

So I guess what Im getting at is, have a look at some established T&C's, get yours airtight, vet the legals, and then give it to every single customer every time you provide a service. This will go a long way toward making sure (a) you get paid and (b) lessen the chance you will be sued if something goes wrong.

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1.) Ask for half the payment upfront

2.) Ask for the password for the machine

3.) Change the password to one of your choosing

4.) Operate and Fix the machine

5.) Return the computer with the new password and return their old password once the other half of the payment is received. So that way they will have their machine back; but not have access to it until the rest is paid.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? What you think? Is this legal?

hahahahaha.... i would love to do this but i would lose to many customers. plus in almost never comes up! i even except check 3 years no bounces!
 
Sounds like a Microsoft idea! You must be getting a lot of customers doing this to be thinking of this idea.

99% of customers will pay, the ones that don't will be blacklisted never to deal with again, write of the loss and let them go. If you hound them, they will claim that they paid the account and make it there job in life to discredit your brand.

I make my customers sign a electronic agreement and my clients have to click on and accept a disclaimer before and starting a remote session. This makes the no payers think twice and usually prevents the 1% of customers whom do not want to pay from using your service.
 
Getting paid for your work shouldn't be so difficult. Treat your customers right, do a good job and getting paid will rarely be a problem.

THIS!

Some of the things I read on TN make my wonder if I live in Fantasyland where I do work and people pay me....
 
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