Hoarders Make Me Sick

We'll have to agree to disagree...I know waaaaaayyyyy too many people that came from bad scenarios and succeed with hard work and determination.

And no one has said they don't exist. They do.

The myth is that everyone who was in their position could be them if only they worked hard enough. That is not true. It's no more true than those with immense talent as performing artists could all be broadway/music/dance (take your pick of performing art) stars if they work hard enough. The amount of sheer luck, and assistance from others, necessary to get out of penury is not, in any way, strictly within the power of the person who is there.

Those success stories, while they worked their posteriors off, did not "do it all by themselves." That's an illusion, pure and simple.
 
Not to mention, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" If intelligence had any direct relationship to wealth the biggest hucksters, who were brilliant manipulators, but not much more, would be destitute.

Some of the smartest people I know have gone into careers that they find personally gratifying, but that pay far, far less than others.

Socioeconomic status is the result of a very complex set of variables, and where you start out is one of the most determining of all, as very few escape actual poverty, though a lucky few do.
 
I am pretty sure there are ways to get rich in this business which don't entail lying, cheating and stepping on people

Yeah it involves charging people absurd monthly rates while providing no actual service, just a ton of products someone else does the work supporting.
 
Yeah it involves charging people absurd monthly rates while providing no actual service, just a ton of products someone else does the work supporting.
I sense a pretty spotted past in this industry based on snarky comments like this. There are 4 main IT companies in our region, we are the only one that doesn't do anything with monthly fees or any kind of Managed Services. We are the only one that does residential service aside from the pizza techs. We also charge $60 / hour in-shop and remote and $70 / hour on-site (+$30 service call). The closest competitor is $90 an hour for both and that's if you are lucky enough to get their attention.

Sorry, but I have to disagree that absurd monthly rates, no service and being a sales office are NOT the only ways to do well in our industry.
 
Sorry, but I have to disagree that absurd monthly rates, no service and being a sales office are NOT the only ways to do well in our industry.

If you are lucky enough to be already established and well-liked in a given service area, I absolutely agree. But, and it's a big but, you need to recognize that you and your business are outliers, both in business model and business success.

The MSP model is eating most small mom n' pop break-fix type businesses for lunch. And it's sad. When you add in the mass appeal that "The Geek Squad" and similar have achieved, with shoddy service to boot, you should be able to see just how lucky, and unusual, your personal circumstances are. If you read what most people who are trying to follow your business model write here, with regularity, you have to acknowledge that.
 
I gave up making money on residential years ago. Everyone out here was being serviced by one of the countless places that shove used gear out. One of them in question is my largest thorn, and they've even gone as far as to push illegal software.

As I said, you have to lie and cheat.

The Geek Squad is another fun one, and I make a fair bit cleaning up after those idiots... such a horrible thing. And don't get me started on Data Doctors... ugh. Both companies charge a premium for terrible service, but when my home based business appears, with you'd think the trust factor of knowing where I live to come haunt me if things are a problem isn't enough. People have been sold a bill of goods out here so many times they refuse to trust anyone.

So these days the only residential I do, are the people that work for the businesses I service. Even that takes 2 to 3 years before someone will ask.

I know of 10 shops that have opened, and gone out of business in the strip mall across the street from me in the time I've been open. That's almost 1 shop a year... so no... it's not easy.
 
As I said, you have to lie and cheat.

That's not true. Lying and cheating is the easiest way to get rich and it's all people that are lazy are willing to do. Getting rich without screwing others is extremely difficult.

That being said, it's statistically impossible for everyone on the planet to be rich (or even to have what most would consider an absolutely minimal existence where all you have is enough food and water and acceptable shelter so you don't have to worry about survival). The system is designed so that the vast majority have nothing while a small minority have everything. The answer isn't to become part of the small minority. The answer is to change the system. Population needs to be drastically reduced and growth controlled, and new technologies need to be developed which relieve humans of work and allow them to stop worrying about getting their basic needs met.

People with good genes need to be encouraged to reproduce while people with bad genes need to be discouraged from reproducing (think like tax credits vs. extra taxes, not through force). If a dumba$$ has a child, that's a burden on society and they should be taxed. If an extremely intelligent person has a child, that should be encouraged with a tax cut. People should be paired up based on their personality traits and genetic compatibility. No one should be forced to do what they don't want to, but there's nothing wrong with society encouraging behavior that's beneficial to its survival.

Right now we're subsidizing bad genes, rewarding bad behaviors, giving money to those that don't need it, and screwing the actual people that keep the country running. It makes no sense.
 
The MSP model is eating most small mom n' pop break-fix type businesses for lunch. And it's sad. When you add in the mass appeal that "The Geek Squad" and similar have achieved, with shoddy service to boot, you should be able to see just how lucky, and unusual, your personal circumstances are. If you read what most people who are trying to follow your business model write here, with regularity, you have to acknowledge that.

The fact that people are losing their break-fix businesses is sad, I will agree with you there. But as you said it here, Geek Squad and other similar services provide shoddy service at best. The bar is pretty low when it comes to service levels from those folks and we hear it everyday.

Where I live, having corporate competitors has been a huge wake-up call for small businesses who have always been pretty relaxed and the customers didn't have another option. An example is I spent a year trying different shops to have some custom work done on my car. The small shops beat around the bush, taking 3-4 months to get a quote together, etc. Finally ended up going to a big box company that's new in town, got the work done in 3 weeks start to finish and better service than I'd ever received locally. Unfortunately the mom-and-pop shops lost my business and now I've been working with the big-box shop for other projects.

I built this business on service, it's really not hard to out-service the geek squad or similar stores.
As I said, you have to lie and cheat.
Not true at all. Maybe that's how your competition does it, but I can promise you that is not the only way to survive in this industry.

The Geek Squad is another fun one, and I make a fair bit cleaning up after those idiots... such a horrible thing.
Hey! There's some common ground! They definitely are idiots and we do the same. Same thing with the big-box office supply store.

so no... it's not easy.
I've always been told if it was easy, everyone would do it. But it certainly is easy to out-service the big box competition and in my area, the MSPs have dug their own grave for the smaller accounts. We had a new customer call us because the largest MSP (which she worked with) told her at 1:00 pm on a Thursday, her internet outage would be an after-hours, emergency call. She called me, I billed her $170 for 2 hours of work and she was happy as can be. I happened to be about 2 miles from her store and could be there in about 10 minutes. Ended up discovering her managed backup hadn't occured in 15 months and she had 1 XP computer and 2 Windows 7 machines. Sold her 3 new machines, took over her data backup. She has turned into a great customer, just by treating her right. Funny thing is the internet outage was caused by the ISP updating DNS records, which they made us all aware of well in advance with a hard-date of when the old DNS would no longer function. Her MSP let her down and wanted to charge her to fix it. Definitely could have been done remotely if it was done ahead of time.
 
@VISA MC You are absolutely correct in that it's easy to out service the competition. In-fact, I have a near perfect retention record as a result. Once a customer, always a customer basically. I lose clients because they've gone out of business, usually because they've retired. Some have died... that's always... fun.

The problem is, my access to new customers is at an all time low, and every attempt I've made to fix that has failed. And most of that is just a lack of resources, I'm losing way too much in medical so I can't spend enough where I need to. So I wind up with this half measure junk that doesn't quite work and just generates grey hair. But hey, I started this mess during the 2008 recession, and I'm still here over a decade later so I'm doing something right. I just need to figure out how to reach the right people and things will turn around.
 
i hoard stuff.
old cables, old ram, old tech parts in general.
and often i am happy, some neighbor needs something and i have it handy :)
 
And no one has said they don't exist. They do.

The myth is that everyone who was in their position could be them if only they worked hard enough. That is not true. .


It's only a myth for those that need excuses. And there will always be those people. For those that actually want to do it...the doors are there to open.

Sure...there will be those "it's who you know" people that have extra lucky opportunities. And there will always be those who were silver spoon hand fed success. But there are still plenty of doors to success to be opened by those who have the balls to push hard enough to open them. And there will be those that just give a minute attempt...not make it right away or easy enough..and turn around and sulk in the corner.
 
I do believe luck plays a large part in how successful you become. There's a book called Outliers that goes into this. It's a very good read.
 
I do believe luck plays a large part in how successful you become. There's a book called Outliers that goes into this. It's a very good read.

And a very great many of the most successful will tell you that it was only "dumb luck" on top of their skills (which they don't discount) that propelled them into the stratosphere.

"Self-made" (literally) has not existed in Western industrialized nations for a very, very long time.
 
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