Crappy Windows pays big dividends

[johnrobert]

Crappy Windows pays big dividends

This new OS business is all a conspiracy from M$
When Vista came out nobody could tolerate it and peolpe went out and bought XP at Full price this way they get you twice
Same with Win8 people are paying full price for Win 7 pro (about $200) it’s a win, win for M$
By the time they have bought Office they probably spent more on software than hardware
That’s why they alternate between one good and one bad.
The worse the OS the more money they make.

When Word, was being developed. The programming team had a argument about how best to lay it out, how to structure the menus etc. The best arrangement was settled upon.
Then some time later the marketing men decided there must be change. There's to be a new release, and they can't sell it if it's just the same as the old. Since the best arrangement has already been established, the changes must be worse.

 

[gunslinger]

Crappy Windows pays big dividends

This new OS business is all a conspiracy from M$
When Vista came out nobody could tolerate it and peolpe went out and bought XP at Full price this way they get you twice
Same with Win8 people are paying full price for Win 7 pro (about $200) it’s a win, win for M$
By the time they have bought Office they probably spent more on software than hardware
That’s why they alternate between one good and one bad.
The worse the OS the more money they make.

When Word, was being developed. The programming team had a argument about how best to lay it out, how to structure the menus etc. The best arrangement was settled upon.
Then some time later the marketing men decided there must be change. There's to be a new release, and they can't sell it if it's just the same as the old. Since the best arrangement has already been established, the changes must be worse.

You do make some good points. I never really thought about it that way. Its about the only way you could explain why they took a great product in Win 7 and completely screwed it up.

 

[JustInspired]

I know I'm buying more Windows 7 OEM and Refurbisher packs than ever before.

 

[Megaarch]

I really don't know what the problem with Win8 is? So you have a NEW starting point, but every feature available in Win7 is available in Win8 + faster boot, more stable, updates don't f-up as much. And if the customer really can't get past the new starting point make it start to the desktop and add the start menu.

 

[gunslinger]

I really don't know what the problem with Win8 is? So you have a NEW starting point, but every feature available in Win7 is available in Win8 + faster boot, more stable, updates don't f-up as much. And if the customer really can't get past the new starting point make it start to the desktop and add the start menu.

I think that subject has been done to death in many other threads.

 

[trevm999]

Maybe it's Microsoft's way of introducing new ideas. People hate change. (just look at what happens every time Facebook updates) So you make a big change and and people hate it, then scale it back, do some tweaking for the next release, but keep most of the same concepts (UAC didn't go anywhere but people hated it in Vista) and then people love it.

 

[gunslinger]

Maybe it's Microsoft's way of introducing new ideas. People hate change. (just look at what happens every time Facebook updates) So you make a big change and and people hate it, then scale it back, do some tweaking for the next release, but keep most of the same concepts (UAC didn't go anywhere but people hated it in Vista) and then people love it.

Its not the change that people hate about 8. Its the useless changes just for the sake of change. As for UAC its the first thing that gets disabled.

 

[johnrobert]

The only change people want is changing it back to the way it was

 

[gunslinger]

The only change people want is changing it back to the way it was

Pretty much.

 

[trevm999]

They tried to brute force a convergent OS in an attempt to get 1 up on Apple. So, not just for the sake of change, maybe it was kind of pointless since they should probably focus more on the needs of their business customers.

Apple likes to give the appearance of OS convergence, but I've lost count of how many times I've had to explain that the Mac app store and iOS app store are actually two different things.

 

[gunslinger]

They tried to brute force a convergent OS in an attempt to get 1 up on Apple. So, not just for the sake of change, maybe it was kind of pointless since they should probably focus more on the needs of their business customers.

Apple likes to give the appearance of OS convergence, but I've lost count of how many times I've had to explain that the Mac app store and iOS app store are actually two different things.

True. Also the way Apple did it the iOS features were kind of hidden and out of the way. If you don't want to see them you don't have to. With Win8 it was pushed in people faces and you have to have aftermarket tools to get rid of it and return the functionality of Win7.

 

[aweston]

I wrote a blog post about this a while back. Windows 8 is user hostile. It's not about doing things differently, it's about screwing up the UI so bad that even professionals can't wrap their brains around it easily. It's about making it so counter-intuitive you want to run over the computer with your car. And I could go on and on about just how terrible EVERYTHING is in Windows 8. At least Apple had enough brains to realize there's a difference between a mobile, touch-centric OS and a desktop OS. Microsoft thought they could cheat, cut corners and merge the two and everyone would just deal with it. Unfortunately they pretty much completely destroyed the PC market in the process, slaughtering sales.

How about another example? Who do you know interacts with their laptop by reaching out and touching the screen? Not only is it not ergonomic, nobody interacts with a laptop that way, ever. Well, at least not after the first three minutes of "Oh, that's kinda neat. How do I shut it off?"

It's garbage and Microsoft's history of garbage goes back a long way. It's not necessarily a money grab, they have a contract with corporate America that they have to release a new OS every three years. Windows Me was to tide people over until XP and also test some core tech that went into XP. Vista was a rushed to market (because they were very late on delivery) version of Windows 7. Windows 8 is just.. Well... Ummm. Crap.

 

[gunslinger]

I wrote a blog post about this a while back. Windows 8 is user hostile. It's not about doing things differently, it's about screwing up the UI so bad that even professionals can't wrap their brains around it easily. It's about making it so counter-intuitive you want to run over the computer with your car. And I could go on and on about just how terrible EVERYTHING is in Windows 8. At least Apple had enough brains to realize there's a difference between a mobile, touch-centric OS and a desktop OS. Microsoft thought they could cheat, cut corners and merge the two and everyone would just deal with it. Unfortunately they pretty much completely destroyed the PC market in the process, slaughtering sales.

How about another example? Who do you know interacts with their laptop by reaching out and touching the screen? Not only is it not ergonomic, nobody interacts with a laptop that way, ever. Well, at least not after the first three minutes of "Oh, that's kinda neat. How do I shut it off?"

It's garbage and Microsoft's history of garbage goes back a long way. It's not necessarily a money grab, they have a contract with corporate America that they have to release a new OS every three years. Windows Me was to tide people over until XP and also test some core tech that went into XP. Vista was a rushed to market (because they were very late on delivery) version of Windows 7. Windows 8 is just.. Well... Ummm. Crap.

Well said!

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

For those of us that do business clients, they don't pay twice.
As it has always been with "business grade workstations"....when a new OS is launched...for many years after that launch, business grade workstations can be purchased with the previous operating system installed.
Dell Optiplexes/Latitudes
HP Business Desktops/Elites/Evos.

Repeat cycles of before.
XP to 95a...disliked, 95b better, 95 c and d not really much differences, 98 hated, 98se loved, that outsourced last minute abortion of ME (cuz Win2K didn't get the media components good enough for home/residential market) hated. At first XP was disliked (people hated the default blank desktop). repeat cycles.

They come and go.

 

[trevm999]

Duplicate

 

[trevm999]

True. Also the way Apple did it the iOS features were kind of hidden and out of the way. If you don't want to see them you don't have to. With Win8 it was pushed in people faces and you have to have aftermarket tools to get rid of it and return the functionality of Win7.

Yes, and right now that seems to have been the way to go, because I have not often seen people want to bother with stuff like launchpad, dashboard, and hot corners. They want a desktop OS.

How about another example? Who do you know interacts with their laptop by reaching out and touching the screen? Not only is it not ergonomic, nobody interacts with a laptop that way, ever. Well, at least not after the first three minutes of "Oh, that's kinda neat. How do I shut it off?"

But it looks so efficient on Star Trek! If only touch screens came out during the DOS days...

 

[Tekguy]

I wrote a blog post about this a while back. Windows 8 is user hostile. It's not about doing things differently, it's about screwing up the UI so bad that even professionals can't wrap their brains around it easily. It's about making it so counter-intuitive you want to run over the computer with your car. And I could go on and on about just how terrible EVERYTHING is in Windows 8. At least Apple had enough brains to realize there's a difference between a mobile, touch-centric OS and a desktop OS. Microsoft thought they could cheat, cut corners and merge the two and everyone would just deal with it. Unfortunately they pretty much completely destroyed the PC market in the process, slaughtering sales.

How about another example? Who do you know interacts with their laptop by reaching out and touching the screen? Not only is it not ergonomic, nobody interacts with a laptop that way, ever. Well, at least not after the first three minutes of "Oh, that's kinda neat. How do I shut it off?"

Well said. When even Paul Thurrott says that Windows 8 is confusing you know there's a serious problem. The underlying O/S is very good & it appears that Microsoft will S-L-O-W-L-Y return it to a desktop O/S through updates abandoning this nonsensical hybrid disaster.

 

[JustInspired]

We affectionately refer to Windows 8 here as Schizophrenic.
There are some bits of things in the Desktop interface while related parts are in the Touch interface. User management and Windows Updates are two areas that come to mind.