Apple Restricts Hard Drive Replacements on New iMacs

[Ccomp5950]

Let me break it down
All you sarcasm means nothing. You can't disprove anything I said and this is simply a cop out, nothing more nothing less.

Ever wonder why I disregard your opinions?

Let's go back a bit in time shall we? Or as you said, break it down.

You go on about how you (as a linux dabbler (end user)) had trouble installing a driver. You use this anecdote to make the claim that since you had trouble installing a driver...

When set up properly it works fine but we are far from the day the typical end user can set up a Linux box with no problems.

I agree and also bring in my own anecdote about a standard retail windows 7 disk did not have OEM support in that the drivers used by the box were not packaged in the disk I was using. Upon booting the computer I find it is missing Network drivers. My point is: What would an end user do in this situation? Wouldn't it be a problem? So I guess windows is far from the day the typical end user can setup a Windows box with no problems.

The point is quite plain and simple, setting up an OS with no support the only one that does well is Mac OS (since the hardware is built for the OS of course).

Then you counter my comment about end users with a comment about how YOU (not an end user, with regards to windows) would fix the problem.

Um...download them on a working system , put them on a flash drive and install them to the new systems? Thats what I might do.

Wait, we're not talking about you or me, we're talking about end users. When I point out we're talking about end users instead of admitting "well maybe he has a point" you ignore it. Which only further shows your bias.

I'm not Richard Stalman, what I am is a man who doesn't care for your style of debate (ignore, move goal posts, rebut strawmen). If you can't look back at the conversation and see one simple point, it's not me who is the zealot here.

I've made multiple attempts now to bring you back to the original point. You have shown multiple times that you are completely ignorant of the point and the surrounding facts, thus you are being disregarded. Call it a cop out, call it what you wish. I don't negotiate with terrorists and I don't debate irrational men.

As for your comment about being an arrogant prick, I tried being nice, when you don't respond with that but ignore the claims or shift the ground rules to something you prefer, I'm not going to be nice about it. I'm going to point out your flaw in thinking and I'm going to put it on display so you either take a look at it and go "oops, my bad" or you just show your ass some more like you've been doing.

 

[gunslinger]

Wait, we're not talking about you or me, we're talking about end users. When I point out we're talking about end users instead of admitting "well maybe he has a point" you ignore it. Which only further shows your bias.

I'm not Richard Stalman, what I am is a man who doesn't care for your style of debate (ignore, move goal posts, rebut strawmen). If you can't look back at the conversation and see one simple point, it's not me who is the zealot here.

I've made multiple attempts now to bring you back to the original point. You have shown multiple times that you are completely ignorant of the point and the surrounding facts, thus you are being disregarded. Call it a cop out, call it what you wish. I don't negotiate with terrorists and I don't debate irrational men.

As for your comment about being an arrogant prick, I tried being nice, when you don't respond with that but ignore the claims or shift the ground rules to something you prefer, I'm not going to be nice about it. I'm going to point out your flaw in thinking and I'm going to put it on display so you either take a look at it and go "oops, my bad" or you just show your ass some more like you've been doing

Exactly, and speaking more as an end user of Linux I found it hard to install the drivers. As for Windows users from what I have seen if they took it upon themselves to install the drivers they would most likely start by getting on a working machine and searching for them.

This has little to do with the thread topic.


I don't care for your attitude.


This has little to do with the thread topic.


I never called you an arrogant prick. I said:

Do you understand how to discuss the topic without sounding like an arrogant prick?

This has little to do with the thread topic.


I think the thread was about Imac hard drives, not how much you dislike me.

Do you wish to actually add anything useful or just try to prove your incredible debating skills?.....lol

Lets not forget you started this with these two comments:

I'm a bit more experienced when it comes to Linux and understand typing...

I never knew Windows would magically have the .exe on your desktop ready to click without any searching, amazing!

 

[Ccomp5950]

Exactly, and speaking more as an end user of Linux I found it hard to install the drivers. As for Windows users from what I have seen if they took it upon themselves to install the drivers they would most likely start by getting on a working machine and searching for them.

Fair enough, but is that not a "problem" with the setup, which was your initial standard. "if there are problems with setup, it's not ready for end users" Or did I misread this?...

I dabble in Linux. So no, I don't use it often. The last time I installed Linux It was Mint on a netbook and it took me about 45 mins and a terminal hack to get the wireless to function. This was maybe 2 months ago. When set up properly it works fine but we are far from the day the typical end user can set up a Linux box with no problems.

I think the thread was about Imac hard drives, not how much you dislike me.

I figured if you're talking about your anecdotes about linux drivers by page 2 me countering it on page 3 is fine. From there well, you see where it is.

 

[gunslinger]

Fair enough, but is that not a "problem" with the setup, which was your initial standard. "if there are problems with setup, it's not ready for end users" Or did I misread this?...

Again we are going way off thread topic but to answer. I think MOST end users would find it far easier to find and install drivers in Windows than Linux.

 

[Ccomp5950]

I think the thread was about Imac hard drives, not how much you dislike me.

Lets not forget you started this with these two comments:

No, I started exactly as I stated at the very top of this page.

You went off on a further tangent about linux drivers being harder to install for you (a linux novice) than in windows (which for your sake we'll say expert). Which is pointless but I found it funny you pain stakingly listed each step for linux but when listing the steps for windows you started out already having the .exe available (assuming you giving the same care to your windows install in listing out each step you performed). I made a side comment about it and you've latched onto it ever since.

Do you wish to actually add anything useful or just try to prove your incredible debating skills?.....lol

Did you actually laugh out loud or are you using it as punctuation? I've made my point, your earlier anecdote about linux is worthless. QED.

 

[Ccomp5950]

Again we are going way off thread topic but to answer. I think MOST end users would find it far easier to find and install drivers in Windows than Linux.

Not the point, and just a further tangent. I find it humourous you are the one harping on going off topic when it's you who originally made the tangent.

The point: If "no problems" is the standard by which you claim an OS must be setup with by end users before it is ready for end users to use, than no OS meets this requirement.

 

[allchannels99]

This sucks for us Mac Techs

 

[OldSchoolPC]

Now, why can't we all just get along?