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Mike McCall

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So, I recently put my business on Yelp in the hope that it would open another vector to be found. A few other local shops are on there as well. Neither appear to run ads, although I did receive a sales call from Yelp this morning. So, other than filling out the business information and buying ads, what have you found valuable for your business on Yelp?
 
As far as advertising goes, I'd recommend starting with the cheapest "impression" based ads. You could try the pay-per-click, but I think it's too expensive and you can't choose a custom cost-per-click price.

The good thing about advertising on Yelp, rather than asking your customers to leave you a review (both of which we do), is that people searching on Yelp will be more likely to leave you Yelp reviews that "stick" (not get filtered). Once you get enough reviews to help you stand-out from your competitors in the area, you could stop advertising and go to just asking customers who use Yelp to leave you a review.

You should put a Yelp review badge on your website to help attract more Yelpers and also show off your score to potential customers (assuming you have a 4 or, ideally, 5-star rating).

Add lots of pictures and videos to your page with real pictures from your shop (NOT stock images).

Also, be sure to enable the "Get Quote" link for desktop and mobile under "Call to Action." I only recently realized that I'd previously had this setup wrong and it was going to a "link" or something, instead of a "quote" (even though you can have a "quote" go to a URL on your website). If you set it up correctly, it will show this part (shown below), which I think further helps you stand out (mine is currently "six hours" because I just enabled it and I'm waiting for more people to message so I can get it down to "responds very quickly" or "within 1 hour").

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I haven't done much with Yelp since signing up several years ago, so I decided to login & take a look at my profile, update things and maybe generate some new business. I was greeted with a message that "yelpers" have reported this business as "permanently closed". So, I had to address that issue. I don't care for the fact that Yelp moderators need to look at the changes to approve them before they are active.

Also, I cannot seem to locate the "Request Quote" button/setting anyplace in my dashboard, under my profile. Where can I find this to enable it?
 
As far as advertising goes, I'd recommend starting with the cheapest "impression" based ads. You could try the pay-per-click, but I think it's too expensive and you can't choose a custom cost-per-click price.

The good thing about advertising on Yelp, rather than asking your customers to leave you a review (both of which we do), is that people searching on Yelp will be more likely to leave you Yelp reviews that "stick" (not get filtered). Once you get enough reviews to help you stand-out from your competitors in the area, you could stop advertising and go to just asking customers who use Yelp to leave you a review.

You should put a Yelp review badge on your website to help attract more Yelpers and also show off your score to potential customers (assuming you have a 4 or, ideally, 5-star rating).

Add lots of pictures and videos to your page with real pictures from your shop (NOT stock images).

Also, be sure to enable the "Get Quote" link for desktop and mobile under "Call to Action." I only recently realized that I'd previously had this setup wrong and it was going to a "link" or something, instead of a "quote" (even though you can have a "quote" go to a URL on your website). If you set it up correctly, it will show this part (shown below), which I think further helps you stand out (mine is currently "six hours" because I just enabled it and I'm waiting for more people to message so I can get it down to "responds very quickly" or "within 1 hour").

Screen%20Shot%202016-04-04%20at%201.14.12%20PM.jpg

Thanks for the information. I have family in Tarzana, so I know the San Fernando Valley fairly well and take that into account. You're located in a comparatively high-density, highly-populated area, (est. 1.8mil.) whereas I'm in a small town (<10k), 15-miles outside of Salem, Oregon (just over 160k, Portland is just over 609k). I raise this issue because I get how Yelp might be heavily used in your area and produce a comparatively high ROI. Here, local advertising/exposure might produce better results. Yelp estimates my cost per click at $7.90ea. So, at $1 per day Yelp estimates I might get 3 clicks per month, $5 a day might get me 18. I wonder if Yelp might be a better option for me if I were in a more populated area. I noticed that none of my competitors advertise either, big or small.

I don't have pictures as I'm home-based, but once my basement is sorted out that may be possible. Yes, I have "Request a quote" enabled.
 
I would recommend keeping a close eye on cost per click, budget & etc. If you are attracting mostly residential customers, the revenue generated by a successful conversion is not very high. If you have a 10% conversion rate, and each click costs $7.95, then each customer ends up costing you $79.50. If your average ticket price for a new customer is $100, then your ROI is pretty good at 125%. If, however, you have only a 5% conversion rate, then each customer costs you $159, and your ROI plummets to 63% and you are losing money.

Conversion rates don't just reflect how well you promote yourself when someone does call - you have to take into account the other things that reduce your return. Your own already-existing customers can look you up online and click on the ad just because they are lazy or lost your phone number - that means you spent a click rate for no benefit. You also have to fend off calls asking for services you don't provide (just because people don't read your ad, or maybe your ad is poorly worded) until you zero in on the best language for the ad. Or, you get people calling you that are out of your service area, things like that - all of these occurrences dilute your return.

And - none of this takes into account your time in keeping this running. You have to spend time monitoring performance, tweaking wording, etc., which isn't free.

My general opinion is that pay-per-click advertising has a much higher chance of success for businesses that have a higher per-ticket revenue than residential computer services. @300DDR, for example, probably has a better shake on pay-per-click because his average ticket price is higher.

Yes, yes - I know - if you keep that newly-gained customer and they call you back a couple of times per year, then your return is much better. In reality, if you really want to take the long view, then you need to develop metrics and track your customers closely to calculate a truer ROI.
 
Personally, I found Yelp annoying.

They called and called, even after I told them I wasn't interested in paying to advertise. Yeah, sure, leave my info on there, but I have no desire to go any further with it. They didn't seem to like that I wasn't interested in going to a pay model. They're still making money off of my information being there, if it's viewed, since there are ads all around the information on the page, and part of what makes them a resource is having everyone on there. The only reason it's there is because someone reviewed my company, so I went and looked at the review, and updated the logo and stuff while I was there. I guess that drew their attention, and they started calling.

I eventually told them I just didn't want any more customers, that I had reached capacity. That seemed to work.
 
Personally, I found Yelp annoying.

They called and called, even after I told them I wasn't interested in paying to advertise. Yeah, sure, leave my info on there, but I have no desire to go any further with it. They didn't seem to like that I wasn't interested in going to a pay model. They're still making money off of my information being there, if it's viewed, since there are ads all around the information on the page, and part of what makes them a resource is having everyone on there. The only reason it's there is because someone reviewed my company, so I went and looked at the review, and updated the logo and stuff while I was there. I guess that drew their attention, and they started calling.

I eventually told them I just didn't want any more customers, that I had reached capacity. That seemed to work.
Similar case here. Perhaps it is different south of the border, but I find that if anyone does use Yelp here in Canada, it is for restaurants, not tech companies.

The only reason that I see any value in Yelp is that that Bing uses them for Bing Local reviews. But, with Bing only holding 13.27% of desktop searches (to google's 67.78%) and only 1.67% of mobile searches (to google's 92.97%), the impact of Yelp is quite limited.
 
Thanks @Paul Reid & @lcoughey . I've already received the Yelp sales call, and as I outlined above I'm having a hard time justifying the effort. I registered with them because I can't afford to lose any potential business. However, I'm not seeing the benefit of a concerted effort with them.
 
I would recommend keeping a close eye on cost per click, budget & etc. If you are attracting mostly residential customers, the revenue generated by a successful conversion is not very high. If you have a 10% conversion rate, and each click costs $7.95, then each customer ends up costing you $79.50. If your average ticket price for a new customer is $100, then your ROI is pretty good at 125%. If, however, you have only a 5% conversion rate, then each customer costs you $159, and your ROI plummets to 63% and you are losing money.

Conversion rates don't just reflect how well you promote yourself when someone does call - you have to take into account the other things that reduce your return. Your own already-existing customers can look you up online and click on the ad just because they are lazy or lost your phone number - that means you spent a click rate for no benefit. You also have to fend off calls asking for services you don't provide (just because people don't read your ad, or maybe your ad is poorly worded) until you zero in on the best language for the ad. Or, you get people calling you that are out of your service area, things like that - all of these occurrences dilute your return.

And - none of this takes into account your time in keeping this running. You have to spend time monitoring performance, tweaking wording, etc., which isn't free.

My general opinion is that pay-per-click advertising has a much higher chance of success for businesses that have a higher per-ticket revenue than residential computer services. @300DDR, for example, probably has a better shake on pay-per-click because his average ticket price is higher.

Yes, yes - I know - if you keep that newly-gained customer and they call you back a couple of times per year, then your return is much better. In reality, if you really want to take the long view, then you need to develop metrics and track your customers closely to calculate a truer ROI.

You seem to have a good perspective on this, and one I tend to agree with. I just don't see Yelp being a workable model for the area I'm in. Were I in a larger metropolitan area it may change things, but I don't see it being viable for me here.
 
Were I in a larger metropolitan area it may change things,

You might be right about that, my helicopter isn't high enough to see beyond my own experience. I would thing that a smaller population density would yield fewer clicks, which would cost less - but your conversion rate would likely stay about the same - because that isn't proportional to your population density. ...at least I don't see why it would be. Who knows...the more I think about advertising in any form, the less I understand it. :-)
 
We get the calls from Yelp also but we keep telling them it's not a good time for us but we're considering advertising with them. Bad things can happen :) when you flatly turn them down. Besides, we don't really want the residential clients which usually is the case with Yelp as they take up too much of our time. We have 5 ***** but we do mostly managed services for business clients
 
I tried Yelp some time ago. I setup a page and they constantly called me and practically harassed me into paying their monthly fee. I told them I was not interested because they do not show all reviews on the page and that posting pics on the page - you only have a small square. So your not going to post any banner or anything of any size as it will get cropped extensively. I told them that I would not do any advertising with them until they changed their above shortcomings. The rep told me that "Well, We do not have anything to do with that. We cannot change it and thats the way it is". I just replied "Have a nice day".

I do not understand how making things difficult (like google) for businesses to advertise is a good business plan.
 
On the topic of Yelp, I found their own Yelp page where people can write reviews about them. They currently have a 2.5 star rating.

https://www.yelp.ca/biz/yelp-san-francisco

And for you to have some chuckles

http://yelp-sucks.com/

It seems that I'm not the only one who finds their system flawed and their sales team too aggressive.

I've essentially walked away from Yelp. I neither have the time, nor the patience for such garbage, and I certainly cannot weather the potential damage. I did find this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sandraeallen/is-yelp-evil-or-just-misunderstood#.qdqJP4Q9b

Whatever the case actually is, the waters are way over my head and I think is wiser on my part not to participate.
 
I've been on Yelp for years but I don't advertise with them. Just one of their free listings. I get maybe 5-6 jobs per year. My ROI is through the roof. :p

I hesitated even signing up with Yelp due to some of the horror stories of them penalizing businesses and/or their review processes gone bad. But then I decided to walk the middle road. I set up a free account so at least people have a chance to find me there. Then I become a black hole. That is, I don't respond to Yelp's phone calls or marketing efforts. I've never had a conversation with a Yelp rep, or outright rejected anything they've offered. However their system is rigged, people are at least seeing my listing often enough to call me once in awhile. That's good enough for me.

I have an identical approach with Angie's List. Make use of the free listing, but zero interaction with their sales reps. Don't give them a chance to give me a black mark. I probably get four times the jobs from Angie's List than Yelp. But every little bit contributes.
 
Yelp sucks. Most of my customers are computer illiterate and have never posted a Yelp review before, so Yelp flags their review as "not recommended" and doesn't show it (or take it into consideration in my star rating). So I have 1 bad review and 14 positive reviews and only two reviews show - the bad one (of COURSE!) and one positive one that's just a useless one-liner review. I hear that if you pay them, Yelp will reconsider filtering your good reviews. Freaking scam artists is what they are. I'll have nothing to do with them.

Not that it matters anyway. Yelp sends me an email every week to see how many views my listing gets, and it's 1-3 views per week. Screw Yelp.
 
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