Yelp Is Awful for Everyone Involved

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“Your review on Yelp is destroying my business,” he says to me, clearly clenching his teeth, “How long do I have to suffer because of your negative review?” A few weeks ago, I got a phone call from a contractor because of a review I’d left. What ensued was a weirdly emotional conversation that ventured between harassment and a plea for empathy.​

http://lifehacker.com/yelp-is-awful-for-everyone-involved-1779970188
 
Good read. And I agree with many of Thorin's points. That said, Yelp has been great for us. Sure, it's "harder" (for example, we have to deal with 1-star customers who just want something for free in exchange for changing their review... especially problematic with "Elite" Yelpers) to run a business when you have to deal with reviews, but they can also help a business significantly. For us, at least, it's worth the extra work. As a consumer, I definitely think very hard before leaving a 1 or 2 star review (probably more than most, as a business owner on Yelp). I have left 59 Yelp reviews and only 3 are 1-star and 1 is 2-stars.
 
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Interesting blurb. Also shows how difficult confrontation can be. Even though she was apparently in the right, she couldn't wait to get off the phone and ultimately deleted her entire Yelp account. Faced with the fact that her review was damaging a real person, albeit poor contractor, with kids and all, she had second thoughts.

Perhaps in this internet age, the question "How long do I half to suffer?" due to a bad review should be a legitimate conversation starter. Murderers get out of prison in shorter times than online reviews fade from Yelp, Angies List, Google, ect., etc.

Knock on wood, I've never received a bad review. But as a general concept I'd be content if both bad and good reviews were dropped after 5 years or so. Certainly since it seems many people don't think twice before slinging bad reviews at businesses of all kinds.
 
I dont really agree with them to be honest. I mean, yeah yelp as a company sucks, and fake/BS reviews suck and Yelp needs to find a way to resolve the problems there, but this article was about how they felt bad about costing a bad business clients? Isn't that the entire point of warning people about their crap work? The guy didn't even ask what they could have done better to improve themselves, he was just trying to bully/beg/bribe this person so they could keep on getting paid to do bad work.

Also how do companies get reviewers' phone numbers? Seems wrong. But even if it were a harassment issue, he/she could have just blocked the number, or not answered if they recognized it. They felt bad on the call, so just end the call. I really dont see how its "bad for everyone" just because it got awkward for them when the business called them. A bad business is bad for everyone. Reviews are not.
 
Yelp absolutely SUCKS! Thankfully every bad review I've gotten on Yelp has been filtered out as "fake" even though I knew some of them were not. Other places online such as Google local, YP.com, etc. people always leave positive feedback, but it's like the people on Yelp TRY to find some reason to write a bad review. Most of the bad reviews I have are total BS, like one of them this woman is ****** that I charged her a diagnostic fee when she didn't want to fix her computer. What, do you expect me to give up an hour of my time for nothing? I'm sorry you only wanted to pay $100 to fix your computer, but $100 is like $5 nowadays. The $75 diagnostic charge was more than justified.
 
I dont really agree with them to be honest. I mean, yeah yelp as a company sucks, and fake/BS reviews suck and Yelp needs to find a way to resolve the problems there, but this article was about how they felt bad about costing a bad business clients? Isn't that the entire point of warning people about their crap work? The guy didn't even ask what they could have done better to improve themselves, he was just trying to bully/beg/bribe this person so they could keep on getting paid to do bad work.

Also how do companies get reviewers' phone numbers? Seems wrong. But even if it were a harassment issue, he/she could have just blocked the number, or not answered if they recognized it. They felt bad on the call, so just end the call. I really dont see how its "bad for everyone" just because it got awkward for them when the business called them. A bad business is bad for everyone. Reviews are not.

I agree with you more than not. Nevertheless there are many decent businesses with few reviews for whom a single bad one can unduly and unfairly influence public perception for a long, long time. That isn't fair.

Everyone reading this can probably think of at least one time they dodged a bullet when a less than satisfied customer didn't post a negative review. After all, you can't please everyone all the time no matter how good you are. That includes me. I've never had a bad review, but that doesn't mean every customer I've ever had named their firstborn after me. Some customers are just determined to be dissatisfied.
 
I agree with you more than not. Nevertheless there are many decent businesses with few reviews for whom a single bad one can unduly and unfairly influence public perception for a long, long time. That isn't fair.

Everyone reading this can probably think of at least one time they dodged a bullet when a less than satisfied customer didn't post a negative review. After all, you can't please everyone all the time no matter how good you are. That includes me. I've never had a bad review, but that doesn't mean every customer I've ever had named their firstborn after me. Some customers are just determined to be dissatisfied.
Yes, but a proper response to a bad review by the business can go a long way to mitigate an unhappy customer. I'd argue, in fact, that a proper response to a negative review will go a long way to encouraging clients to pick you.

Don't try to be "professional" and have a nearly automated replace that sounds like a robot created it. No "Here at ____ we strive to meet the needs of all out clients" blah blah blah. That comes off as dismissive.

Don't try to argue for your side of the story. "I understand you're upset, but we told you at the counter that such and such would happen". That comes off as combative and nobody enjoys watching people play the Blame Game.

Address the root cause of their complaints. Not what they think it is and what they're complaining about, but what REALLY caused it. Once you identify it, apologize for it, and explain that you'll try to be better for future clients. I'm not saying admit to mistakes, and especially not saying admit to something you didn't do. But you can always find something to improve in your business by understanding what really caused the problem. And even if you can't, or won't implement such a change, you can at least acknowledge that you thought about it, and will consider ways to prevent it in the future. To onlookers, this will instill trust in you, more so than a bunch of generic 5 star "A+++++ WILL USE AGAIN THX!!!!" reviews will.

As an example, lets take the diag fee complaint Saphirescales had.

Don't say : "We're sorry to hear you had a bad experience at ____. We work very hard to accommodate all our clients and to resolve their issues as best we can. In this case unfortunately we were unable to fix the issue, and only charged the agreed upon diagnostic fee to cover our costs of performing the diagnostic work we performed."
While this is a professional response, it comes off as lacking any real empathy. It makes people feel like you're going to be just another corporate drone following policy. Like you were forced by your boss to address bad reviews 5 minutes before your shift is supposed to end.

Also definitely don't say: "I'm sorry you felt the diagnostic fee was unwarranted, but it was explained up-front that we charge it for systems that cannot be fixed, or that you decline the repair after we've already done a bunch of work to figure out the issue. We still have to pay our techs regardless of whether a job is paying or not, and the diagnostic fee covers the base costs we incur while doing this sort of work. We explained this charge up-front before you signed off on the work order agreeing to it. If you found it disagreeable, you should have said so right then and there and we could have worked something out, or declined the job entirely to save you that risk."
Again, its combative and even if its entirely true, makes 100% practical sense, and even the onlookers agree with it wholeheartedly... it exudes a tone of stubbornness. A reader's mind may be saying "this makes sense" while their heart is saying "but I feel like they may be a hassle." On the rational level they agree, but on the emotional level they're repelled.

So if not the professional sounding approach, and not the defensive approach, then what to do? The humble and thoughtful approach. When was the last time you had a bad first impression of someone when that impression was "they're modest and thoughtful"?

So do say: "Hi so-and-so, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with us here at ____. I think that perhaps we didn't do a good enough job making it clear what the diagnostic fee was for, and when it would apply. We only charge this fee to cover our costs of doing the diagnostic work and it turns out to be unrepairable, or something you decide is not worth fixing. We still have to pay our employees for that time after all! We also waive the fee should you approve a repair, but I think we could have done a better job communicating that to you up-front so you could have made a better choice on whether you wanted to leave it with us or not. I do truly apologize if we didn't make that clear enough for you to make a proper decision. We'll make efforts to improve on how we communicate this to our customers in the future, and if you have any suggestions or other input, I would be grateful to hear it. You can email me at _____"

Some third party person just looking through reviews will see this and respect you for it. The review could have been full of vitriol and hate and adamant statements of about how your company sucks, but a proper response will turn it around on a dime. Even if this customer still hates you, and they just email you a list of suggested ways on how to go F- yourself... to other prospective customers you look good.

Wow, this turned into, like, a whole article :confused:
 
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To me the key to making positive reviews work is to follow up on your work to ensure customers are happy. If this contractor had of followed up the customer would have said "well actualluly xyz needs fixing" then the contractor would have had an opportunity to fix it.

Im yet to have a bad review but regardless i always follow up on jobs no matter how big or small. It build strong relationships and lifelong clients. Note clients not customers.
Clients are businesses and people you look after.
Customers are just a number waiting in a queue waiting for you to serve them.
 
I dont really agree with them to be honest. I mean, yeah yelp as a company sucks, and fake/BS reviews suck and Yelp needs to find a way to resolve the problems there, but this article was about how they felt bad about costing a bad business clients? Isn't that the entire point of warning people about their crap work? The guy didn't even ask what they could have done better to improve themselves, he was just trying to bully/beg/bribe this person so they could keep on getting paid to do bad work.

Also how do companies get reviewers' phone numbers? Seems wrong. But even if it were a harassment issue, he/she could have just blocked the number, or not answered if they recognized it. They felt bad on the call, so just end the call. I really dont see how its "bad for everyone" just because it got awkward for them when the business called them. A bad business is bad for everyone. Reviews are not.

Mixed feelings here. Unless you're perfect, you'll be responsible for one of those "bad jobs" one day. Would your thoughts still be the same?

Rick
 
Mixed feelings here. Unless you're perfect, you'll be responsible for one of those "bad jobs" one day. Would your thoughts still be the same?

Rick
If this were "one bad job" my thoughts would be different Everyone has one of those bad jobs occasionally, but it is how you handle those bad jobs that matters. This is a pattern of several bad jobs though and instead of trying to improve himself or figure out why he is getting all these bad reviews, he is just trying to be bully then bribe people. It surely isn't someone I would want to deal with.

I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who knows they are doing a bad job and is going to continue doing bad jobs as long as he can talk his way out of it.
 
1) You have to know Thorin can be a bit of a drama queen and a smart aleck. I worked with him at Lifehacker. Remember also this is Gawker. 'nuff said. Pageviews pageviews pageviews.

2) Thorin did a classic thing Yelp reviewers do: not contacting the business when they have a problem. I wonder how it would have gone if Thorin would have called the business registering these complaints. Thorin has social anxiety and is an introvert, so it isn't surprising he didn't pick up the phone to call. Remember also that this wasn't his experience, it was his significant other's experience. This happened too long ago to find the details. The owner could have gotten the Yelp review reviewed by focusing on the fact it wasn't Thorin's experience.

3) Those reviews really do hurt, especially for a small business. We all make mistakes, but reviews are permanent. Some can be so damaging, nobody would use you. If a client said you stole stuff or cheated them, how much more business would you get. Yelp feeds into Bing, Yahoo!, Google, and Apple Maps/Siri.

4) I had a terrible incident with a crazy Yelp reviewer who walked into my private office after office hours ended and demanded I bump the existing client that was in my office. I fought very hard with Yelp to get it removed. Fortunately we have a camera in the office that recorded it all.

5) My one bad Google Review was a from a guy SEVEN years after we serviced him. His biggest complaint was I wasn't chatty enough (we charge by the hour). He was also upset that when he had additional questions after I was in my vehicle leaving---that I didn't stick around. I had to go to my next client, but after he wrote the check he still had questions.

People are weird.
 
Mixed feelings here. Unless you're perfect, you'll be responsible for one of those "bad jobs" one day. Would your thoughts still be the same?

Rick
Why would they be different? If I screwed up I'd have something to improve myself on and thus something to talk about in the reply. I have screwed up royally before and have discussed it with the client and made it so they were happy and didn't even write a bad review to begin with. So I know a humble and thoughtful approach goes a long way to improving people's perception of you.
 
Why would they be different? If I screwed up I'd have something to improve myself on and thus something to talk about in the reply. I have screwed up royally before and have discussed it with the client and made it so they were happy and didn't even write a bad review to begin with. So I know a humble and thoughtful approach goes a long way to improving people's perception of you.

Part of the reason I asked is because no two circumstances are the same. I've been lucky enough to have all good reviews (what few I have), but I also know that customers "just go away mad" at times, and have also had customers decline to talk to me afterward (heard about my mess up through the grapevine) and so would never have had the chance to correct a bad impression.

Those are just two anecdotal experiences of mine, gleaned from over 30 years in two different repair businesses. I'm sure that others will have their own stories.

My point is that overall I strive to do a superlative job, and will bend over backward to suit the customer. But sometimes, you're just human. I'm not sure I'd think I deserved a review that could seriously hurt my business for that one mess up.

Rick
 
If you read the comments section Thorin said it seemed to be part of a pattern, and the contractor did not seem to be sort that had any intention of actually making it right or doing things differently in the future. The guy just didn't like the bad publicity. He said regrets deleting the review now.
 
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I've never used Yelp but I have blocked their number as they do not stop calling constantly, they would leave messages saying they had "urgent information regarding my company" and clearly just wanted me to advertise with them. Shady sales tactics, and they can F the F off.
 
I've never used Yelp but I have blocked their number as they do not stop calling constantly, they would leave messages saying they had "urgent information regarding my company" and clearly just wanted me to advertise with them. Shady sales tactics, and they can F the F off.

Same here. Have heard too many horror stories.
 
If you read the comments section Thorin said it seemed to be part of a pattern, and the contractor did not seem to be sort that had any intention of actually making it right or doing things differently in the future. The guy just didn't like the bad publicity. He said regrets deleting the review now.

I waded through a bunch of the comments. First thing that came to mind was; are the comments moderated? Not a single response from ANY businesses.

Thanks, but I think I'll look for whatever passes for truth elsewhere.

Rick
 
Part of the reason I asked is because no two circumstances are the same. I've been lucky enough to have all good reviews (what few I have), but I also know that customers "just go away mad" at times, and have also had customers decline to talk to me afterward (heard about my mess up through the grapevine) and so would never have had the chance to correct a bad impression.

Those are just two anecdotal experiences of mine, gleaned from over 30 years in two different repair businesses. I'm sure that others will have their own stories.

My point is that overall I strive to do a superlative job, and will bend over backward to suit the customer. But sometimes, you're just human. I'm not sure I'd think I deserved a review that could seriously hurt my business for that one mess up.

Rick
I maybe wasn't clear enough, but my point wasn't to try and win back that upset, possibly mental customer. There have been clients who I was 100% ecstatic that they hated me, because it meant I would never see them again.

You reply to reviews for the sake of your potential customers reading about your company on yelp/Google/wherever. Not for the sake of the reviewer.
 
I waded through a bunch of the comments. First thing that came to mind was; are the comments moderated? Not a single response from ANY businesses.

Thanks, but I think I'll look for whatever passes for truth elsewhere.

Rick

So far as I know, yes, it is kind of moderated. And I don't think there's a "truth" to be had here, just lots of different perspectives to consider.

You reply to reviews for the sake of your potential customers reading about your company on yelp/Google/wherever. Not for the sake of the reviewer.

Agreed.
 
We had our one negative yelp review that stuck (10 real customer positive reviews are filtered) and got it removed because the reviewer was the girlfriend of the guy that did business with us. We never saw her and she obviously doesn't know what was said or promised. But it was a one star review that was completely untrue. It wiped out our 12 positive Yahoo reviews as Yahoo uses Yelp now and that one star review registered on several social networks. I studied Yelp's TOS and realized after 6 months that the review violated their TOS and filed for review. I got lucky and they saw it my way and yanked it but the damage was done on other social networks. So if you get a negative review by anyone other than the actual customer you dealt with then you have a chance to get it removed. I just wish I acted 6 months sooner.
 
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