Unusual USB problem

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A little background, I had an older Dell XPS come in with problems locking up and rebooting. I eventually reinstalled Windows and then SP1 without issue. While installing the next update it rebooted on me, leaving nothing in the error logs about the reason, so I shut off automatic restart. I installed a lot more updates manually, installed all the software, started using Windows Update to install more. I didn't have another problem until there were just a few updates left, when it locked up. I cut power, turned it back on, came back a couple of minutes later and it was locked again with a black screen. That was the last issue I had with it.

I had run full hardware diagnostics several times and let Prime95 run for about an hour. Letting the Dell web page scan for drivers it found one video driver which it needed, but it was not the driver for the card which was installed, according to the Device Manager. That driver was in the list of "other drivers". I installed both, just in case, installing the one with the right model last. It was after this that I had the lockup issue and another scan on the Dell web site listed the same thing, so I again installed the one it said it needed and scanned again, when it said there were no drivers found and I had no other issues with it after that.

I still suspect it has some hardware issue, but I'll be damned if I can find it. At this point it's probably video card or motherboard. I was leaning toward video card at first since the hardware scan I did before reinstalling Windows had a lockup in the middle of the graphics test.

Anyway, after installing the video driver again and detecting no drivers needed I did not have another issue in over a day. I finished all the updates and software installs, got the customer data back and sent it home with him. He called and said his mouse didn't work, a check showed his keyboard also didn't work, but the power button worked. I had him bring it back in with the keyboard and mouse.

Now onto the actual issue. There are 3 USB ports on top of the unit. If the keyboard/mouse wireless transceiver is plugged into one of them, it detects fine, but neither keyboard nor mouse work. Plug it into a different one and the mouse works, but the keyboard doesn't. In the third, both work. I tried multiple times swapping ports, always with the same results. He had tried the front port, saying the mouse didn't work, but I didn't think to try that. The funny thing is my flash drive works fine in the port which causes both keyboard and mouse not to work.

I don't recall ever having a USB problem like this. Usually, barring a driver issue, there are 2 possible states: It works, it doesn't work. I've never seen anything like this before. And before he brought it in he had tried 3 different wireless mice in, I believe, 2 different ports (presumably the one nothing worked in and the front port which I didn't test). Any ideas here?
 
What happens when you boot Linux or a Win PE and try those same ports? Have to admit, this is a really weird one I've never seen. Are these USB 2.0 ports and are the KB and Mouse USB 3.0 devices?
 
I don't normally play with Linux and haven't used PE for years, so I can't tell you that. They are USB 2.0 ports, I doubt the keyboard and mouse are 3.0. It's one transceiver for both and, like I said, he tried 3 different keyboard/mouse combos.

Yeah, it's definitely a strange one. They're all on an external USB bus, but 4 ports means 2 different cables and, like I said, a flash drive works. Maybe low power level? That's the only thing I can think of that might cause something so strange.
 
I don't normally play with Linux and haven't used PE for years, so I can't tell you that.
Well then I would say its time to download a boot-able copy of Linux (Mint, maybe), set it up to work on a flash-drive or CD and see if there is a still a problem with the computer. You don't need to know how to use an alternative booting software, just something that will allow you to try a different way to diagnose a problem.

Have you tries using SDI for your drivers? Have you tried using separate USB keyboard and USB mouse and NOT the wireless kind?

More info is needed to really help you with these issues.
 
Just boot from Linux CD as @Altster says. If the ports work you know it's a software/OS issue. If not, then you probably have a hardware issue. You don't need to be a gray-beard Linux guru to burn a Linux Mint CD and boot it up. Plus it will increase your "toolkit" substantially.

Although it doesn't look like the correct symptoms, you did turn off power saving/sleep mode for all USB ports in Device Manager correct?
 
Maybe low power level?

You might be right. I would think that a wireless RF transceiver needs more power than a flash drive or wired mouse. If I remember correctly a USB 2 port can provide 500mA while a USB 3 port supplies 900mA.

I just worked on a laptop that would boot an offline virus scanner from only one of the three USB ports. I assumed that port had a driver in the BIOS while the other two needed Windows to load the driver to enable them.

Poke around the BIOS for anything USB related. I keep a powered (120V) USB hub in by toolkit for when the on-board ports act weird or try a Bluetooth transceiver if available.
 
To be clear, I don't have this computer any more. The customer brought it back in with this issue, waited, I got it working on one port and he left with it. I told him I would have to do further research (the experts that are "you guys", pretty much) because I had never seen it before. I had already had his computer far longer than the usual "same day or the next day" that I usually have a computer for the strange lock-up and rebooting issues. I finally had to send it back with him because it was random and there was nothing I could do to make it happen, so I shut off "automatic reboot" and he promised to take a picture of the screen if it got a blue-screen error. That's my "go-to" response when a computer needs extensive "real world" testing. I can't sit in front of it playing games and surfing the net for a couple of days.
 
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