the sign of good clients

I take food and drinks from clients all the time. I'm still here.
Some of the older women make awesome biscuits, cakes and sandwiches.
I like coffee as well and many of my clients have coffee machines...mmmmmm...coffee...
 
Good clients will let you know if they've just put a fresh pot of coffee on in the break room. They'll pay their bills on time. ***Most importantly, they will refer you to other clients.***
 
I had just taken over support for an adult education facility in a disadvantaged area of Dublin. I was finishing up Friday afternoon when the manager, a middle-aged local woman sitting at her desk says "Right. Mark. Shout. How much do we owe ya, while I have the cheque book out?" I told her not to worry for now, as I'd invoice her. To which she says, almost dismayed "Wha? do you not need a few bob for the weekend? are you sure?" That is the kind of customer I prioritise!
 
The difference in perogative between a business owner and a bookkeeper are part of why I only cater two decent sized businesses. All too often a small business owner will waste so much of my time complaining about or just confusion over the bill. Where as a bookkeeper has all the numbers in line will correct you if you've made an honest mistake and generally pays you on time.
 
This past Christmas one of my clients mailed us a nice check, for no reason other than to say thank you, and Merry Christmas.

Paid for our entire Christmas vacation, presents, food, and then some. I have a family of 5. Wife and I were blown away when the check was found in the mail that day.

Needless to say, they're getting a lot of in-house credit to burn now :)
 
You realize that one of the things this says is "You're not charging enough...."

You know I was about to write "Trust me I'm charging enough" but then I realized that I'm fully aware of their financials. Could I be charging them outrageous fee's? Hell yea I could.

Bloating one client's fee's because you know they can pay it, and providing the same service you provide to another client, without the bloated fee's is just unethical.

I am grateful they sent that check. It wasn't needed at all, but it made my entire families Christmas even more special this past year. I have zero expectations that every year going forward will be the same, but now there is that secret hope of "Are we going to get another big fat Christmas surprise this year?!?!" and that's exciting like playing the lotto and winning ya know?

I would charge more for services if the market I'm in warranted it. If my costs increased. If there was a change to the clients' contract that warranted it. Otherwise, I don't really see the point, because I'm not greedy.
 
I don't think fencepost was implying that you're not charging this specific client enough, he probably just meant across the board. I have a client that i barter with (my bookkeeper) who retired last year. She flew my GF and I out to see her and her husband's new house. I had to argue with her for the privilege of paying for ONE dinner. Some clients are just awesome like that!

With that being said, some clients just turn into really good cohorts or friends. No one is going to send you and your family such a generous gift if they don't think really highly of you. Unless they have a lot of marked cash they need to get rid of... :D
 
You know I didn't look at that comment from that angle. Thank you for making that point.

I have a mind-numbingly long process for determining a market's cost for MS. So I'm let's say over 90% certain that I'm charging appropriately. I won't claim 100% because well I'm not psychic.
 
I wasn't meaning to imply at all that you should be charging them higher rates "because they can afford it" or anything like that. We just regularly see on here folks who are charging $55-65/hour with clients giving the extra tips or year-end bonuses, and both of those are a tip-off of "Your clients value the work you're doing as being worth more than you're charging to such an extent that some of them give you extra money. Most of the others probably value it the same way, but will just think they're getting a bargain."
 
@fencepost I couldn't agree more with that sentiment and thank you for the clarification. You didn't offend me at all. I appreciate constructive criticism, and advice.

My company doesn't really have an hourly rate. It's all project/contract work. I'd say we're on the high to the very high end of the cost spectrum.

Nothing we do could ever be quantified as "cheap". We use strict math behind our pricing, but the side effect of higher prices is that we only fetch businesses who can pay it. Most of those businesses don't squabble with us about price. We do the job, we invoice, we get paid.

I have not had to squabble over an invoice with a client in a long time (we use ACH so that prevents a ton of "where's the money Lebowski" problems). When they do get upset over an invoice we look at it as if our sales pitch is not convincing enough, or the client doesn't believe in what they're buying. So we spend the time to rectify that problem by educating the client on the importance of said service, etc., 9/10 that solves that problem. Rarely we end up with someone who is still upset over a bill, and we take note of that and when it's time to renew the contract it is factored into the decision to keep them or let them go.

In the end, we only want to do business with clients that are chomping at the bit to work with us. If they're not a big big fan, then you end up working too hard to keep their interest. What you do should innately keep them highly interested and invested in doing business with you. Just my 2 cents.
 
I don't know if I could handle butchering an animal

It's difficult the first few times. First job was working in an abbatoir (part time at 13) - running guts - and killing cattle still made me puke and cry after a couple of years of that. First time I did it I puked three or four times in the first 5 minutes. You get used to it though. It's been years but I reckon I'd get back to it if I had to. Rather let the young'uns on at it though.
 
Needless to say, they're getting a lot of in-house credit to burn now :)
Until the same client has run out of "credit" in your mind and you feel the need to charge them again and makes a comment that you still owe them or whatever. If you dont keep a record of a plus balance and deduct/document each time you give them that free service at what it would have cost them at your regular rate the time will come where you will ruin the good relationship with that client.
 
Until the same client has run out of "credit" in your mind and you feel the need to charge them again and makes a comment that you still owe them or whatever. If you dont keep a record of a plus balance and deduct/document each time you give them that free service at what it would have cost them at your regular rate the time will come where you will ruin the good relationship with that client.

Solid point Porthos.

In our early years, we learned NOT to do that.

Today our PSA handles our in-house credit, along with everything else we do. If it's not recorded there, it's not in play.
When handing out credit, for whatever the reason, we communicate why it's happening, and how much is being given to them. This sets the tone so that there can be no question when it runs out, as it is clearly visible on their invoices as a credit.

We don't hand out credit on a regular basis either. It takes a pretty darn good reason to do it. More often than not we do something special like send out a gift basket with a bunch of stuff we know they will enjoy. Fishing gear for people who love to fish, Dog treat baskets for dog lovers, etc.
 
...and somewhere along the road someone will mention it to someone else and you'll get the flack! My .02

Exactly. Many of our clients know each other and spend time together. So for us at least that would be a 100% certainty. Not something I would want to fall into unwittingly. Guaranteed to get burned with "you gave them free credit, where is mine?"
 
I have one client that offers me a huge glass of wine every visit. He and his wife are Hungarian (my family heritage), so it's natural to do this. It pretty much ends the productive part of my day. :)

A bit like France, When I visit my French customers I always get offered an aperitif even at 10 in the morning!! I don’t drink spirits but the French all seem to love whisky. If it is the end of the day last customer I will have a small one otherwise I just say I have other appointments to go to and need a clear head:confused:
 
I have a client whom owns an Ostrich Farm. They breed the Ostrich's for leather- they recently went to Japan as have heaps of clients over there. They got me these, I cant read Japanese so unsure of alcohol content lol

- Some Nippon Whisky and Kit-Kats :) Gonna be a bit Banzai after the whisky

20180423_135428.jpg
 
Last edited:
... Some Nippon Whisky and Kit-Kats :) Gonna be a bit Banzai after the whisky
The Kit-Kat logo is similar to the logo for a Kit-Kat chocolate crunch candy bar available in the US. If that's what it is, never seen a green chocolate bar before!

An interesting combination: Whiskey and a chocolate bar. I might go Banzai too!
 
Back
Top