Tension on TN

[altrenda]

anyone else notice that things are getting a little testy around here lately? Lots of name calling, with pizza tech and the new favorite put down - Craigs list -being thrown around. A lot questioning others competence while the OP question gets forgotten.

It doesn't help that there are a lot of end users and "newer" techs joining, which are easy to ignore, but the level of conversation seems to be going down in the last week or so.

Not sure exactly why.

 

[oldtech]

/grabs popcorn and favorite chair.....

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

/grabs popcorn and favorite chair.....

Exactly.

I've noticed some new members on here stirring the pot some by misunderstanding how things work or by just feeling like the need to prove they have a large epen*s. They either become really annoying eventually p*ss everyone off or learn the hierarchy and how things work and chill out. In general, strong personalities tend to intensify even more hiding behind a screen.

 

[Xander]

I was about to submit this when another thread went poof. So, I'm going to edit this to not be pointing any fingers:

To Jimbo: Simply pointing out that despite the fact you think you're a know it all, its all futile when you have zero credibility to back you up.

Maybe if you'd been here longer than a day that opinion might carry some weight.

Jimbo's been around as long as I have and I value his opinion over just about anyone else's here (no offense to anyone else). He has demonstrated himself time and again to know of what he speaks.

You? So far, you've mostly picked fights.

And... I'm out. Who's got the popcorn?

 

[Kitten Kong]

I've noticed it too. What is even more worrying, is occasionally it is some longstanding member who is in the middle of it all.

Cripes everyone, we are all in the same boat. TN is a place where technicians hang out, share ideas, and help each other as and when we can.

It should not be the new children's playground. If you can't play nice, then simply go home.

As altrenda mentioned, there are some threads which get so sidetracked, I am amazed that the thread has not split, with train tracks going all over the world. The latest one being the chkdsk thread (appears to of been pulled).

We all have our own way of doing things. If you think your way is better than mine, then explain the reasonings behind it. If I agree I will change my process. If I don't then I will carry on with the way I have done things. Or we could simply reply saying why I don't agree.

What some people don't seem to realise, is that there are literally hundreds or thousands of years of experience on this forum. Newbies (both on TN, and new to the business), should respect the cumulative knowledge, and not force their opinions down others throats.

I don't need to nitpick your replies, and name calling, is simply childish. It gets up peoples noses, everyone comes out in arms, and some good info in the middle of the thread is lost.

Just my couple of cents worth

 

[FoolishTech]

First off, yes tension is high.

Second, yes some people can't stand to have a smaller e-penis than others and it's unavoidable with internet forums......

EDIT to say that a lot of this mess lately is caused by people misunderstanding tongue in cheek or otherwise meaningless remarks. We all need to watch that.

But last, I gotta say I strongly disagree with saying a n00b to the forums should sit back and keep his/her opinions to themselves.

For one, just because someone is a n00b here doesn't mean they are a n00b to the business, or any less qualified or experienced than a forum 'elder' ...

On the other hand, I could name people (but I won't) that amassed several thousand posts in just a few months of being on the forums, and act like an 'elder' here, and cause a bit of e-penis related trouble as well.

We all need to respect each other, n00b or not... that is, unless you qualify in my last gripe: those who ask for help but don't take advice, something equally as irritating and rampant in these forums lately.

 

[contrive]

Yea Man...

This doesn't seem like a tech-to-tech question but I gotta say I saw something crazy relating to this...

This one guy (a) who seemed more of an end user, was asking for help. An obviously smart, reputable tech (b) gave him GREAT advice, right... then this other guy (c) jumps in and tell the guy who gave great advice "I hate to ruin your day but my way is the right way..."

Then, along comes another tech (d) to back up the original techs (b) opinion with more facts, but the "I hate to ruin your day..." guy (c) insists on arguing the facts before later realizing his original idea could have likely done harm.

But wait, its get better.... then some other guys jumped in without having read all that was discussed, and tried to team up on the (d) guy, saying that because his web site was under construction, him believing SMART data is good to consider, and that hes only been a member here for a day, must make him a total fool.

So like, the argument fizzles out and the thread closes right but that's not it. Another guy posts in a whole other thread (that's totally unrelated to the "tech-to-tech" category btw) so he could put in his two unrelated cents after the original thread closed for good reason.

I was like whoooa man, what is going on here?! Is this what professional is supposed to look like? Seems a bit of moderation is needed, especially for those trying to rekindle an extinguished fire. If their popcorn got burned in the process, it'd serve them right I say.

But alas, there is no happy ending to this story so far except to say that there was an attempt to give the OP some really good advice and we can only hope he was able to filter it through all the BS.

 

[NYJimbo]

Where's the popcorn ? I don't see no popcorn.

 

[Kitten Kong]

This doesn't seem like a tech-to-tech question but I gotta say I saw something crazy relating to this... <SNIP>

So like, the argument fizzles out and the thread closes right but that's not it. Another guy posts in a whole other thread (that's totally unrelated to the "tech-to-tech" category btw) so he could put in his two unrelated cents after the original thread closed for good reason.

But alas, there is no happy ending to this story so far except to say that there was an attempt to give the OP some really good advice and we can only hope he was able to filter it through all the BS.

Contrive, I know you are new to the forum, yes you have many years experience as do a majority of us on here. However there is no point in starting the same argument again in a different thread. It defeats the purpose of this thread.

Your comment of "so he could put in his two unrelated cents after the original thread closed for good reason." I personally find irresponsible. If the OP of this thread wished to open this thread up, there is nothing stopping him from doing so. It may not of been aimed at the chkdsk thread, then again it may of.

This thread is a simple one, of has anyone noticed the tension recently on TN. No more, no less.

Yes one would hope that the op in the original thread would actually listen to advice. However as is proven on many occasions, they think they know best, and do not listen to the good advice given, and make a bad situation even worse.

 

[Paul Rodgers]

Personally I feel like some of the newer members are causing friction with established members. I'm not sure if it is the newer members that are the problem or established members wanting to get the last word in.

Also post count and date joined are poor indicators of senority.

 

[contrive]

hmm...

Your comment of "so he could put in his two unrelated cents after the original thread closed for good reason." I personally find irresponsible. If the OP of this thread wished to open this thread up, there is nothing stopping him from doing so. It may not of been aimed at the chkdsk thread, then again it may of.

This thread is a simple one, of has anyone noticed the tension recently on TN. No more, no less.

I'm not sure what you are talking about... Despite the fact that this thread is way out of category, that statement wasn't directed toward the OP. I mean, it could be a coincidence that it was started in the same category that my story refers to, by accident. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

Regardless, I'm just saying that yes, I had noticed and gave a good example. And with all due respect, the names have been changed to protect the ignorant... I mean, innocent... accidents happen ya know.

 

[altrenda]

I put this in the tech to tech section because I thought it related to Techs being able to communicate with other techs with respect, not like some "My way/OS/device/gaming system, etc. is better than yours" site that a lot of trolls seem to like.

I forgot this was the Internet. My bad.

 

[Kitten Kong]

I'm not sure what you are talking about... Despite the fact that this thread is way out of category, that statement wasn't directed toward the OP. I mean, it could be a coincidence that it was started in the same category that my story refers to, by accident. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

Regardless, I'm just saying that yes, I had noticed and gave a good example. And with all due respect, the names have been changed to protect the ignorant... I mean, innocent... accidents happen ya know.

Thanks. I took it, as it was aimed at the OP. Also tech to tech, is not indexed by google. After all we would not want this thread along with others to be seen by our clients. We are all supposed to be professionals on here.

I appreciate that the names had been changed, but those who had read the thread in question, would know exactly who was a,b,c etc.. and the points raised in that thread, could resurface here, which is what I did not want to happen.

As I have said, we are all professionals here, we should act like it, and not throw toys out of the pram, if we do not agree with someone elses pov.

 

[contrive]

Unprofessional pt2

I was about to submit this when another thread went poof. So, I'm going to edit this to not be pointing any fingers:

blah blah blah... <carrying over an extinguished argument from another thread> blah blah... <other futile attempts to insult> blah blah...

And... I'm out. Who's got the popcorn?

I wonder what other thread he's talking about? And, why would he choose this thread to carry it over to?

 

[compnet]

(c) jumps in and tell the guy who gave great advice "I hate to ruin your day but my way is the right way..."

Aaaaaactually, what happened - Jimbo didn't say "my way is the right way," he gave his experience and an article to back up his experience. This happens a lot on this forum, and its a good thing. Some of us like to learn from other's experience.. Had you not gone and got all new guy with 20 years experience butthurt syndrome, and got the thread closed, we could have had a good discussion on unmountable boot volumes, chkdsk, and hard drive diagnostics.

 

[TenYardFight]

I'm certainly spending less time here. Hope its better soon.

 

[contrive]

Unprofessional 3... the saga continues.

Aaaaaactually, what happened - Jimbo didn't say "my way is the right way," he gave his experience and an article to back up his experience. This happens a lot on this forum, and its a good thing. Some of us like to learn from other's experience.. Had you not gone and got all new guy with 20 years experience butthurt syndrome, and got the thread closed, we could have had a good discussion on unmountable boot volumes, chkdsk, and hard drive diagnostics.

I'm not sure who Jimbo is, but in my story, there was a guy who was quoted saying "I hate to ruin your day but..." and continued to argue that his was was THE right way because MS said so. Crazy coincidence!

But yea, I'm the bad-guy, butt-hurt, noob that got the thread closed. Its just that... (sniff, sniff) when you internet tough guys with so little knowledge, experience,or professionalism... come at me (sniff) with these futile insults... I start to cry. ;-<

Real Pro talk here eh guys? I wonder if they'll ever put "butthurt syndrome" into professional vocabulary....

 

[angry_geek]

I don't feel "tense", but I do get a bit aggravated from time to time on here. Here are a few examples:

A "tech" signs up bragging about his/her 15 years of experience, and he/she is only 22 years old. Really?

Someone acquires their A+ (or other) cert; now they know everything.

A "tech" starts their own business in their parent's garage and doesn't understand even the basic fundamentals of hardware or software diagnostics. They then proceed to bork a customer's machine and jump on here expecting all of us to bail them out. "Can't connect to the internet? Let's reinstall windows! Backup? Who needs that?"

A "tech", barely capable of basic support, decides all of a sudden they know more than all the combined knowledge of this forum and starts telling the world they are business computing specialists. Even though they start gasping at the mention of group policies, they expect us to hold their hands while configuring remote desktop and hypervisors. All this while bragging about the specs of the "custom" server they built for their client with parts from newegg.

"Techs" who begin arguing with the advice they sought in the first place.

No diagnostics!

Whiny little pukes who get their panties in a wad when they get called out on a forum designed for professionals because they're obviously NOT PROFESSIONALS!

There's more, but I'm out of breath. :banghead:

 

[NYJimbo]

I'm not sure who Jimbo is, but in my story, there was a guy who was quoted saying "I hate to ruin your day but..." and continued to argue that his was was THE right way because MS said so. Crazy coincidence!

You cant leave it alone can you. I never said my way was the right way. I said the what the OP did actually does work at times and I gave an example. You didnt like that so you started insulting and taking offense at everyone. It wasnt any of your business but you made it your business. That thread gets killed and a new thread is started that does not mention names but you had to come here and start the whole thing over again.

For a guy who has been on this board for less than 3 days you sure are having a heck of a start.

Kinda reminds me of another member, but I dont want to have two people ranting at me.

 

[16k_zx81]

Umm... seems to me that things have always been like this - ups and downs over the years, with various spats coming and going over time.

Im not sure that I see any current pandemic, just a continuation of the normal ebb and flow of communication, agreement, disagreement, and so on.

Usually the thing that people need to be reminded of is that this is a professional forum, and professional conduct is expected.


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Anyhoo, if Im wrong, (which wouldnt be the first time) and there really is a lot more tension going on currently, it might be a good idea to ask Martyn to step in temporarily and to keep an eye on conflicts until things settle down.

I know the mods here dont like to get involved, but if you guys feel things are getting out of hand, then thats probably the next logical course of action. I think this would be fair on a temporary basis, at least.

Martyn? What do you think?

Jim