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Where do you think that I would find the other end?
Tied back in the basement with a lot more non-terminated cables or terminated?
Serious Gamer 'Upstairs' and No Ethernet - What to Do?
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Tied back in the basement with a lot more non-terminated cables or terminated?
Yeah, they would be just chillin out in the utility room, nearish to the breaker box. We didn't install patch panels, so someone else would have to be hired to punch them down.
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Agreed, it's about consistency not max throughput. If it was me I'd try to gather some more information. What is the current wireless? Run a continuous ping for a few minutes form the EU's computer. Do a couple of sites, both FQDN and the corresponding IP for each FQDN.
I would also go with a Ubiquity AP. I've put them into heavy traffic, pure wireless, environments. Customer said that their problems disappeared completely.
Also second the phone line thing. Even if it's typical wiring it's most likely Cat3, which can easily handle the traffic. As @trevm999 said it's most likely in the basement, usually where the ISP comes in as well. It's probably a single piece plate in the son's room so you will be able to replace it with a RJ45 keystone and plate. You can use a toner and wand to find the drop. In the basement it may vary depending on the age of the home. Many times it's just a bunch of runs wire nutted together or on one terminal block. If they are using a ISP phone service it may complicate things a little. Irregardless you will have to separate all of the runs to find the correct one.
I would also go with a Ubiquity AP. I've put them into heavy traffic, pure wireless, environments. Customer said that their problems disappeared completely.
Also second the phone line thing. Even if it's typical wiring it's most likely Cat3, which can easily handle the traffic. As @trevm999 said it's most likely in the basement, usually where the ISP comes in as well. It's probably a single piece plate in the son's room so you will be able to replace it with a RJ45 keystone and plate. You can use a toner and wand to find the drop. In the basement it may vary depending on the age of the home. Many times it's just a bunch of runs wire nutted together or on one terminal block. If they are using a ISP phone service it may complicate things a little. Irregardless you will have to separate all of the runs to find the correct one.
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However, an AP by definition needs Ethernet in, correct?
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Yes. Attach it to the ceiling in the basement.
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So, you think that only one might be necessary (in the basement) and no other gear two stories up in the bedrooms?
I am trying to get familiar with the Ubiquity AP product line.
Is there a specific model that you recommend in this scenario?
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It's possible. I've got a Pico M2 that is about 30' away, and 3 walls. The ping latency is very close to wire performance. I've installed UniFi UAP AC LR in a restaurant and can get 3 out of 5 bars 15' away through a brick and concrete wall. It's dual band so you could set the gamer up on one channel and the others on the other.
https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lr/
And I'm a big fan of using what I promote. So I've got a Pico M2 and a UniFi UAP AC Pro as well. That way I can take one to a site for an actual test. That's what I did at the restaurant before telling them what to get.
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Thank you for the info.
I will read up on them.
I also agree about using what I promote.
And even though when you read up on the APs you will find out that a wired one can send provide the signal to one without ethernet, I highly recommend you do not do this, unless you feel like making frequent trips back to their house.
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I have seen the Pico mentioned in these forums a number of times.
However, I cannot find any reference to them at https://www.ubnt.com.
What am I missing?
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They recently updated their product lines, I'm not sure what the equivalent is supposed to be. I need to find out what the equivalent to a nanostation loco is sometime.
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Glad that I am not crazy (yet).
I wanted to compare the Pico and the UAP AC Pro that Markverhyden was suggesting do that I can talk somewhat intelligently about them and propose the correct product based upon the circumstances.
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Oh, I was assuming that the PICO was indoor based upon Markverhyden recommending to attach it to the ceiling in the basement.
It is indoor/outdoor. I think it's purpose was to get signal off a nearby tower, but it can also be configured as an AP.
Since you're going for a one-hit wonder, and if it doesn't need to look pretty because it is in a basement, I would go for the outdoor AP. But I would love to hear a more technical explanation (and from someone with practical experience) too. However if an indoor AP was able to do the specific job just as well, I would go with that. I guess what I am saying, is if you have multiple options in stock, you can use the one that does the job without doing too much (i.e. transmitting the signal to the whole block), but if you are only going to order one in and expect it to do the job, I would go with the outdoor one.
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There have been so many threads on the WIFI, Ethernet Cable, PowerLine, etc. topic.
I wish someone would design a flow-chart with the Pros/Cons of each technology and rank them accordingly at each decision point in the flowchart.
I personally do not have the depth of knowledge (or experience) to develop the flowchart.
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If I may ask, where do you purchase your UniFi?
As far as I can see Ingram is the only major broadline disty that offers them.
Also, TDL also in Ontario, seems to be specialized (which is not a bad thing).
I don't think such a flowchart could exist. It is ethernet if you can, and then whatever works the best, and matches your client's budget. Each building is different. Even if an engineer did up a chart (which would probably be biased based on what company they worked for) it might not match practical experiences and would be misleading. Even though EoP says it has to be on the same circuit/breaker, which it almost certainly would not be, it still might work fine. Or maybe you test it and it works fine, but then they run the dryer and it drops signal. Maybe there is something weird going on in the house that causes his bedroom to be a deadzone that is hard to get signal to. Or when they turn something on, it causes a signal that disrupts it (and maybe that device isn't even supposed to create a signal in the range). For example, I have dehumidifier that you can control by remote. If I put the dehumidifier in a certain room, it turns off and on by itself. For the life of me I cannot figure out what is causing it.
I use ubnt.ca now. They list their prices in USD, but suppliers in Canada are always changing their prices on Ubiquiti products, so it works out to be the same. It used to be that suppliers in Canada were marking up their prices on Ubiquiti products a heck of a lot more. Ubnt.ca has super fast shipping though. I deal with a reseller at my job, but stuff I ordered from them were probably coming from Ingram (even though I had a buddy check his Ingram account and I was getting them for cheaper than he could get them), but sometimes it was a 2 week wait time, and it takes them forever to get new stuff in. I was being told a 6 week ETA for stuff ubnt.ca already had in stock.
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Pico is under the airmax stuff.
https://www.ubnt.com/products/#wireless
I know the some of the consumer grade stuff gets great reviews, and are not very cheap (implying they are good somehow). But to be honest I'm just tired of the poor quality and features one gets from so many consumer grade networking products. I bought some high end linksys wireless router 3 years ago or so. 18 months later the wireless starts getting flaky, power cycle is the only thing that fixes the problem. That's when I bought the AC Pro as so many had said how great the Ubiquity stuff is. Never looked back and have never recommended a retail router since, even for residential. I've setup a bunch of Pico's after disabling the ISP wireless. Yes, it takes some work to set them up, you really have to understand networking. Initially I was worried about customers having problems. I've literally never back from any of them about wireless problems.
https://www.ubnt.com/products/#wireless
I know the some of the consumer grade stuff gets great reviews, and are not very cheap (implying they are good somehow). But to be honest I'm just tired of the poor quality and features one gets from so many consumer grade networking products. I bought some high end linksys wireless router 3 years ago or so. 18 months later the wireless starts getting flaky, power cycle is the only thing that fixes the problem. That's when I bought the AC Pro as so many had said how great the Ubiquity stuff is. Never looked back and have never recommended a retail router since, even for residential. I've setup a bunch of Pico's after disabling the ISP wireless. Yes, it takes some work to set them up, you really have to understand networking. Initially I was worried about customers having problems. I've literally never back from any of them about wireless problems.
I see it now! You have to select airmax, the default view is only showing airmax ac
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