Pretty Pathetic

[NickCat11]

I kid of course Nick, but think of it as "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

That's another way of looking at it

 

[MobileTechie]

That's another way of looking at it

Nice to see it all resolved amicably. I thought you dealt with that very civily Nick.

 

[Mushin]

With that said, really, what harm does it do to copy certain things from websites? Frankly, I love the website of one formerly active Technibble member. As they do not have a copyright on their page, and it seems to have been abandoned early last year, I don't think I'd hesitate to copy their design. We aren't competing in the same geographic area, so what's the big deal?

Even though there is not a copyright notice on the page it is still copyrighted. The notice just serves to amke it more known.

I would say that you take take ideas... for example look and see what someone esle has done to spark your own ideas but not copy.

 

[commodore64]

thanks Nick for posting this and to the other posters for info on where to go to see if your work is being used. After reading this, i put my site into the copyscape website only to find a competitor across town who copied my website page for page only changing my business name to his!?!?! I emailed him immediately and the site is down. It's guys like this that give this industry a bad name. Its also good to know that my work is copyrighted and i have rights, thanks all, and everyone should check this out!!!

 

[NickCat11]

Nice to see it all resolved amicably. I thought you dealt with that very civily Nick.

Thanks! Thanks also to the members who made me aware of the issue

 

[pcoverhaul]

Glad it all got worked out for you Nick.

 

[NickCat11]

Glad it all got worked out for you Nick.

Thanks man


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[PCRepairWV]

LOL or just hire a technical writer!

elance.com, baby

If you can't write your content, I'm sure somebody working for $5-$10 / hr on elance would love to write it for you. $25-$50 for a brochure or some other technical copywritten material is much cheaper than a lawsuit for hundreds and possibly thousands.

 

[mekon]

Actually I still use tables too. Its fine for small projects. CSS is wonderful for a larger projects and for site-wide conformity, but when I want to make a few pages quite often I will do it with basic tables and I can code it by hand.

It's not a good idea to use tables for presentation even on small sites and there is a remote possibility that accessibility issues make it actually illegal. You could stand accused of discriminating against people who are blind. When you use tables, all semantic meaning is lost and speech only browsers simply cannot cope.
But even if that was not the case there are distinct advantages to using CSS not least that the smaller page sizes make them quicker to load, you are also building in future flexibility.
Source code is much easier to read and that they are much more search engine friendly ( which is a completely different issue to SEO) as spiders can read the whole site.
I think there is a world of difference to doing something for yourself in tables against advertising yourself as a web designer and producing sites for clients using tables in 2009.

 

[JosephLeo]

It's not a good idea to use tables for presentation even on small sites and there is a remote possibility that accessibility issues make it actually illegal. You could stand accused of discriminating against people who are blind. When you use tables, all semantic meaning is lost and speech only browsers simply cannot cope.
But even if that was not the case there are distinct advantages to using CSS not least that the smaller page sizes make them quicker to load, you are also building in future flexibility.
Source code is much easier to read and that they are much more search engine friendly ( which is a completely different issue to SEO) as spiders can read the whole site.
I think there is a world of difference to doing something for yourself in tables against advertising yourself as a web designer and producing sites for clients using tables in 2009.

+1, take a look at the "blank" state of my site in progress. (No content)

<div id="page">
	<div class="wrapper">
		<div id="header">
			<div id="logo"></div>
			<div id="features"></div>
		</div>
	</div>
	<div class="wrapper">
		<div id="navigation"></div>
		<div id="search"></div>
	</div>
	<div class="wrapper">
		<div id="article"></div>
	 	<div id="aside"></div>
	</div>
	<div id="footer">
		<div class="wrapper">
			<div id="copyright"></div>
			<div id="legal"></div>
		</div>
	</div>
</div>

Not a table in sight unless I make a chart or something
Also, my navigation is made out of the ul and li tags and my logo on the front page only is in an image wrapped around an H1 tag but on all other pages it's just an image. and notice my use of class and id. ID is for something that is only used once on a page whereas a class is something used multiple times.

Edit: Here is the CSS for it as well.

html, body, div, span, table, thead, tr, td, ul, ol, li, img {
	margin:0;
	padding:0;
	border:0;
	outline:0;
	line-height:1;
	font-size:100%;
}

body {
	text-align:middle;
}

page {
}
.wrapper {
	text-align:left;
	width:960px;
	clear:both;
}

#logo {
	float:left;
	clear:left;
	width:320px;
}

#features {
	float:right;
	clear:right;
	width:640px;
}

#navigation {
	float:left;
	clear:left;
	width:640px;
}

#search {
	float:right;
	clear:right;
	width:320px;
}

#article {
	float:left;
	clear:left;
	width:640px;
}

#aside {
	float:right;
	clear:right;
	width:320px;
}

#copyright {
	float:left;
	clear:left;
	width:640px;
	text-align:left;
}

#legal {
	float:right;
	clear:right;
	width:320px;
	text-align:right;
}

 

[mekon]

Looks good although I personally would do a reset on the css. There are still people out there using ie 5.5 and 6.; it just makes life so much simpler for cross browser issues. All that said the framework looks rock solid.