Personal Carry

[16k_zx81]

Now it's in General Chat does that mean we can take it off topic?

I think the courteous thing to do if you want to discuss gun control, or abortion, or religion, politics, gay marriage, or any other volatile topic, would be to start your own thread. If.you.really.have.to.

Personally I agree with Gunslinger on this one. Its a hiding-to-nowhere threshing out issues like this on a public forum, and the inevitable conclusion will quickly be a lot of ****** off people, and a locked thread.

But, with that knowledge in mind, if you really have to set up that type of discussion, no one's going to stop you.

(I do reserve the right to say "I told you so" - repeatedly, and in an annoying voice - when it falls over).

In regard to this particular thread, I think its been mentioned... oh, 6 or 7 times so far, the conversation is "do you carry, and if so, what?"

 

[Paul Rodgers]

I can't yet because of age restrictions in NY.

I plan on applying for concealed carry but I don't plan on carrying. From what I have read it is just easier to have concealed carry and it doesn't hurt to ask for it.

Off topic - Is 7 pages in under 24 hours a record?

 

[16k_zx81]

Off topic - Is 7 pages in under 24 hours a record?

Nope.
http://www.technibble.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19383

 

[JRDtechnet]

I would if I didn't live in ******* New Jersey.

 

[NETWizz]

My personal defense weapon of choice is a Smith and Wesson M&P 40 full-size with some of the 180 Grain Federal Personal Defense Jacketed Hollow Point rounds. For the Range I just use American Eagle, God Dot, Blazer, Lawman... whatever.

I also have a Glock G22 (Shoots .40). I still want to maybe buy a Glock G21 that shoots .45 ACP.


For super cheap ammo, I use my .22 Cal S&W M&P. The bullets are super cheap at like $20 for 500 Rimfire rounds. The gun was only $416 delivered. Not a single jam, failure to extract, or failure to eject yet!!! on a .22! To me that is amazing because most .22 pistols are not this reliable.

I really like the 22 because there is no re-coil, so I don't get tired shooting it, and I can pop off 300 rounds at the shooting range and not spend $150 in ammo doing it!

 

[nonchalant]

haha..when I read the thread title I thought it was asking what tools do you carry. But pistols & shotguns? Seriously?

 

[MobileTechie]

So if carrying concealed guns is allowed I assume knives are OK too? Do you need a licence to carry a hidden or even a visible knife?

 

[gunslinger]

You do not need a license to carry a knife in any state in the US that I'm aware of. There are some blade length and type restrictions such as 4" blade length here in Tennessee and automatic knives are LEO.

Carrying concealed guns is based on the person having a permit witch requires training, an extensive FBI background check and a fee.

 

[codegreen]

I agree, it's a mad situation, but they've always been able to do it so I guess it's normal for them.

Carrying a knife here is dodgy enough - that's why I stick with my trusty toothpick

I'm in Canada, which doesn't allow concealed or open carry of handguns. I have to say, though, that I find the UK's knife laws to be absurd. No locking blades?! I feel lost without my beloved Leatherman Charge at the ready. Even carrying a small Swiss Army knife, while legal, still seems to be "dodgy", and that makes me shake my head.

 

[Tekko]

So if carrying concealed guns is allowed I assume knives are OK too? Do you need a licence to carry a hidden or even a visible knife?

In the US it would depend on your state. You can open carry a knife of any length just about anywhere, but certain states have restrictions on concealing edge weapons of a certain length.

 

[Paul Rodgers]

haha..when I read the thread title I thought it was asking what tools do you carry. But pistols & shotguns? Seriously?

Data destruction tools.

 

[MobileTechie]

I'm in Canada, which doesn't allow concealed or open carry of handguns. I have to say, though, that I find the UK's knife laws to be absurd. No locking blades?! I feel lost without my beloved Leatherman Charge at the ready. Even carrying a small Swiss Army knife, while legal, still seems to be "dodgy", and that makes me shake my head.

You can have a Leatherman on you if you had "good reason" so certainly a PC Engineer in the course of his working day can quite legally carry one. However if you get into a fight in a pub and are found with one on you at 11pm you might be in trouble.

 

[NETWizz]

You can have a Leatherman on you if you had "good reason" so certainly a PC Engineer in the course of his working day can quite legally carry one. However if you get into a fight in a pub and are found with one on you at 11pm you might be in trouble.

I sure am glad I don't live in the UK. How can you need a "Good Reason" to carry a Letterman? It is primarily a set of needle-nose pliers with a pocket-knife attachment. I used to carry a Pocket Knife to school as a kid then as an adult when I got a job at a school district... nobody ever said anything except the Sheriff/Police Officer who worked there.

He asked why I had it on school property (really just to see what I would say) since it was on my desk... I basically demonstrated with a palate of boxes. He said, if anybody asks you, just don't say personal protection. Indicate it is a tool like you told me. He is a good officer and did a great job with the kids. He also suggested I at least put it in a desk drawer so it is out-of-site.


That said, I cannot imagine a leatherman being a problem. If your Government oppresses you that much, then you NEED a second amendment in the UK.

Here is what it says:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


Notice the placement of the comma where they pause. It is VERY clear the reasoning is the militia will defend the security of a "free" state... i.e. It is Government's job to defend the constitution and Rights of the people in a republic...

, {Pause} the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. Notice, it does NOT say, "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They willfully used the word people!

 

[MobileTechie]

I sure am glad I don't live in the UK. How can you need a "Good Reason" to carry a Letterman? It is primarily a set of needle-nose pliers with a pocket-knife attachment. I used to carry a Pocket Knife to school as a kid then as an adult when I got a job at a school district... nobody ever said anything except the Sheriff/Police Officer who worked there.

He asked why I had it on school property (really just to see what I would say) since it was on my desk... I basically demonstrated with a palate of boxes. He said, if anybody asks you, just don't say personal protection. Indicate it is a tool like you told me. He is a good officer and did a great job with the kids. He also suggested I at least put it in a desk drawer so it is out-of-site.


That said, I cannot imagine a leatherman being a problem. If your Government oppresses you that much, then you NEED a second amendment in the UK.

Here is what it says:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


Notice the placement of the comma where they pause. It is VERY clear the reasoning is the militia will defend the security of a "free" state... i.e. It is Government's job to defend the constitution and Rights of the people in a republic...

, {Pause} the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. Notice, it does NOT say, "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They willfully used the word people!

Seems to me that only Americans think that the right to wander about carrying deadly weapons is an important right. We don't over here, believe me.

The government is democratically elected. Any MP or party is free to open a debate or try to get elected on the basis of more freedom to carry weapons. Personally I very much doubt they would get anywhere. So we're not oppressed in this respect. You have a different history and seem to think all this stuff is very important. Seems to me you suffer outrageous levels of gun death to keep these rights alive. I guess you must think that's worth it.

If you need to carry a knife for your job you can. If you don't need to you can't. Seems pretty fair and simple. It has certainly not hampered my life or work one jot.

 

[drickyd]

looked at another way ......

To put another slant on this thread, I wonder how many of you want/have to carry protection from something other than your fellow man? Out here in the African bush, if I have to go through 'predator' country and especially if I have to camp overnight, then purely for common sense and self protection reasons I will take a Remington 30-06. OK, it wont stop Buffalo or Elephant, unless - 1) I'm a great shot (NOT) or 2) very lucky, but its a great comforter when you hear a big cat roaring just as you settle in your sleeping bag, or there's a black mamba swinging from a tree just above where you pitched your bush toilet.

Those are about the only reasons I carry, thank goodness, but I am all with you US citizens who believe in the right to carry arms etc., just don't point them in this direction folks!

 

[Lone99star]

Seems to me that only Americans think that the right to wander about carrying deadly weapons is an important right. We don't over here, believe me.

The government is democratically elected. Any MP or party is free to open a debate or try to get elected on the basis of more freedom to carry weapons. Personally I very much doubt they would get anywhere. So we're not oppressed in this respect. You have a different history and seem to think all this stuff is very important. Seems to me you suffer outrageous levels of gun death to keep these rights alive. I guess you must think that's worth it.

If you need to carry a knife for your job you can. If you don't need to you can't. Seems pretty fair and simple. It has certainly not hampered my life or work one jot.

Is it true that the UK has the highest violent crime rate in the world?
If so I would think the people are unable to protect themselves, what are the laws on other self protection devices(stun guns, mace, pepper spray, etc.)

 

[Tekko]

To put another slant on this thread, I wonder how many of you want/have to carry protection from something other than your fellow man? Out here in the African bush, if I have to go through 'predator' country and especially if I have to camp overnight, then purely for common sense and self protection reasons I will take a Remington 30-06. OK, it wont stop Buffalo or Elephant, unless - 1) I'm a great shot (NOT) or 2) very lucky, but its a great comforter when you hear a big cat roaring just as you settle in your sleeping bag, or there's a black mamba swinging from a tree just above where you pitched your bush toilet.

Those are about the only reasons I carry, thank goodness, but I am all with you US citizens who believe in the right to carry arms etc., just don't point them in this direction folks!

The only time I've had to use my side arm for immediate self defense was against some ferrell dogs.

 

[coffee]

In America we have the right to bear arms because I would rather shoot an intruder in my home then be listed in the next days paper as a casualty of a break in. I forget also who said it but the qoute is something like this - "I would never want to invade America because there is a gun behind every blade of grass".

I dont carry a gun. But there are times I wish I did. I get these service calls on the west side of South Bend, Indiana and its not a very nice area. Lots of gang and racial stuff goes on there. Going there at dark is kinda a bad idea but hey, I enjoy the money.

I cannot imagine being in Africa though and have to travel somewhere and service a computer. That has got to be wild!

 

[MobileTechie]

Is it true that the UK has the highest violent crime rate in the world?

No, it's not true.

The statistics don't show that. You'd also need to define "violent crime" because no two countries measure it the same and different countries have wide variations in reporting. This is why some African and Asian countries can be very dangerous but come up looking good in some figures because their police just don't keep proper stats or even lie about them outright.

However if you get your stats from the Daily Mail, you might find the UK is the worst country in the world for EVERYTHING. They seem to relish making out everything is totally awful.

But in terms of murder rates, which are more reliable since they are almost always reported, the UK has about 1/3rd of the USA.

In the UK almost anything can be classed as a weapon. If you were to carry a brick around in a threatening manner that could be classed as a weapon. Tasers, mace, CS gas and so on are all illegal to carry. Even the police only relatively recently got some of these items.

 

[Lone99star]

No.


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I'm not saying the UK is a bad place or that the US is less violent. I think the US probably has more potentially violent criminals than anyplace except South America. The point I'm trying to make is these criminals are less likely to attack innocents for fear they my be armed.