Nvidia pricing makes no sense for consumers

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The gtx 1080 is lower than the RTX 1070 they are very close in benchmarks as well as the 1080TI is on par with RTX 2080 actually this video explains it and NVIDIA has a glut of 10 series from partners over a million surplus GPU and they are still making them till Jan.

 
UFD Tech is usually wrong about much of what he tries to hypothesize.

Strike one: "NVIDIA doesn't actually want the mainstream consumer to buy them(20 series cards)." --- Mmmkay.

Strike two: "..Reported that NVIDIA was sitting on a stockpile of 1 Million 10-series GPU's." He then follows by saying, "So, a million GPU's isn't a gigantic amount considering NVIDIA sells 10 million GPU's every quarter." - Yet, he uses this as a justification for the rest of his diatribe... but, if that's the case, then his diatribe is BS. We're 1-1/2 quarters away from last June... so, what? He thinks NVIDIA failed to sell that measly 1 Mill cards? What's his point then?

Strike three: 2:45 "... kind of unprecedented because they have already launched the replacement for the 1080TI, why are they selling the 1080TI? Why are they still selling cards that are completely replaced?"

WTF is he smoking? The 700 and 900 series cards are still for sale... how many years (six years?) of selling old chipsets before it's NOT unprecedented or shocking? Gimme a break.

Galdorf said:
Why buy a 2070? when a vega 56 with power reg mod allows the card to run faster for less.
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I can't imagine why someone would have hesitations in applying 500-600W of power to their video card. Sounds safe enough, lol.
That card is going to be dead within 6 months or less if you keep it that way. I don't know where Steve is getting his prices... A New Vega 56 is $420. A RTX2070 is $500. So we're splitting hairs on a cost/benefit analysis of an $80 difference? I guess I just don't get it.

All of these reviewers have their panties in a bunch about DLSS and RT not being available... let's see how their tunes change when it is available. Waiting a couple of months for a feature to be implemented in games... also not "unprecedented".
 
You gotta read past the headline, dude.

There are a few dozen posts at NVIDIA's Forums. Products have failure rates.
If there are 25 failed cards in forum posts and they just sold 1000's or 10,000's of cards.. that's a failure rate of 2.5%-0.25%, respectfully.

It's click-bait news. There are no official NVIDIA numbers and the forum posts are the only thing these articles are going on, which is a faulty indicator. We have no sample size, nor a failure rate.
 
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You gotta read past the headline, dude.

There are a few dozen posts at NVIDIA's Forums. Products have failure rates.
If there are 25 failed cards in forum posts and they just sold 1000's or 10,000's of cards.. that's a failure rate of 2.5%-0.25%, respectfully.

It's click-bait news. There are no official NVIDIA numbers and the forum posts are the only thing these articles are going on, which is a faulty indicator. We have no sample size, nor a failure rate.
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....and they could be fake posts from AMD.... just sayin'.....
 
phaZed said:
You gotta read past the headline, dude.

There are a few dozen posts at NVIDIA's Forums. Products have failure rates.
If there are 25 failed cards in forum posts and they just sold 1000's or 10,000's of cards.. that's a failure rate of 2.5%-0.25%, respectfully.

It's click-bait news. There are no official NVIDIA numbers and the forum posts are the only thing these articles are going on, which is a faulty indicator. We have no sample size, nor a failure rate.
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https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-graphics-cards-dying/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1078162/geforce-rtx-20-series/rtx-2080ti-massively-die-/


 
The Geforce.com forum discussion is pretty convincing there is a problem that NVIDIA is not stepping up to address. Seems to be based on lot number 0323....... Hmm.... Just when I'm looking around at high end video cards.
 
Diggs said:
The Geforce.com forum discussion is pretty convincing there is a problem that NVIDIA is not stepping up to address. Seems to be based on lot number 0323....... Hmm.... Just when I'm looking around at high end video cards.
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That is why i never buy anything new right away that is over $1000 i wait for a few revisions on pcb board.
I bought the 1st 3.5 inch floppy for commodore 64 it had a pcb error that caused errors reading/writing i took mine apart looked at pcb found they were missing a trace to a timing circuit called commodore on the phone gave them the info i bridged the pcb to the chip pin and fixed the problem.
There will always be issues with first versions of anything electronic since i have an electronics background i use to fix electronics growing up tv's, radios,stereos had basement full of stuff drove my parents crazy.
Sometimes its a production error where a machine malfunctioned and missed a capacitor or resistor somewhere.

Possible issue has to do with ram thermals:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-2080-ti-gpu-defects-launch,37995.html

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phaZed said:
Mine works fine. My card never gets over 70C, even at full load.
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The above card temp map was from a card also running at full load gpu showed 70C but since the ram is above the GPU it can get 10+ degrees hotter and gddr6 should not run that hot otherwise your looking at thermal failure at sometime in the future.
 
Why it pays to wait and not jump to conclusions. Driver updates for the BSOD is coming next week. I have had Zero problems except for Tomb Raider - It crashes every hour or two.. definitely game related in my case. I run triple 24" monitors, all 60Hz, no GSync - Zero issues except for TR.

 
Galdorf said:
The above card temp map was from a card also running at full load gpu showed 70C but since the ram is above the GPU it can get 10+ degrees hotter and gddr6 should not run that hot otherwise your looking at thermal failure at sometime in the future.
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GDDR6 is rated for 95c operating temps... more fud, dude.. Who said GDDR6 shouldn't operate at 85c? According to the datasheet, page 1, the operating temperature is 95c max. Not to mention, these GDDR6 modules have built in temperature sensing with readout... implying that there are likely software watchdogs to monitor and then apply SRF to compensate frequency and delay under varying temperature conditions, and/or clock down itself for protection of the silicon.
 
phaZed said:
GDDR6 is rated for 95c operating temps... more fud, dude.. Who said GDDR6 shouldn't operate at 85c? According to the datasheet, page 1, the operating temperature is 95c max. Not to mention, these GDDR6 modules have built in temperature sensing with readout... implying that there are likely software watchdogs to monitor and then apply SRF to compensate frequency and delay under varying temperature conditions, and/or clock down itself for protection of the silicon.
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https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-an-unusually-high-number-of-failure-reports/
 
@Galdorf, that page is but another regurgitation of the same story, with no additional information. They even admit in the article that their title is misleading.

"At this time, Nvidia refutes that the number of affected users is increasing, which instead suggests that those experiencing failure are simply more vocal about the issues. Without access to RMA numbers, it’s difficult to discern whether or not the return rate is as expected.
 
just had an enquiry from a client about the new 2080's from nVidia.
Prices start from around $1300 and go up from there to around $2100~$2600 for a Ti :eek::confused:
 
Here is testing on raytracing on RTX



As you can see from results they are pretty much bang on with what was theorized the RTX 2070 rtx raytracing is pretty much useless as you loose too much fps to be useful in a game and rtx 2080 ti while it does work the loss of so much fps with minor reflection improvements is not worth it but with RTX off on the 2080ti is a powerhouse in gaming.
I would rather buy 2080ti without the RTX and pay a lower price the only reason anyone would use the RTX would be 3d rendering and animation at 30fps is optimal for video.

I will wait till the tech is more mature i don't want this happening lol:
https://hardforum.com/threads/evga-2080-ti-xc-burst-into-flame.1971627/
 
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yea I would upgrade to 1080ti if I could even afford that. I am not a hardcore gamer as I used to be, so spending so much on a card just seems insane.
 
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