Learn from my fail!

HCHTech

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I did something pretty stupid the other day, so who doesn't like those kind of stories?

This was a new customer, a 3-person attorney's office. I was there for the initial walk-through and discussion of their needs, etc. We had a very nice meeting and got along well. At the end, almost on my way out of the door, the owner asked me to take one of the computers to install an SSD and Windows 10. He had purchased it used "from a buddy of mine", who had removed the hard drive. It was an 27" HP business All-in-one, about 3 years old. I'm sure you can hear this coming a mile away.

Failure 1: I didn't turn the damned thing on in his presence before taking it
Failure 2: I didn't give him my usual speech about used equipment (unknown problem history)

I said "Sure - piece of cake" or some similar drivel. I told him about how much it would cost and he carried it to my car.

This office is less than a mile from mine, so it was a short trip an I carried it myself to the bench where I did the SSD install and Windows install the next day.

As soon as the Windows install displayed something full screen, I saw it. The whole image "shimmered".

Failure 3: I didn't stop right then, although, in retrospect, Failures 1 and 2 meant this failure didn't really matter.

So I knew this was probably a hardware issue, but decided to power through and try some different video drivers or refresh rates to see if I could make the problem go away. You guessed it, none of that helped. The issue does seem to cycle better and worse, it's not constant. I'm sure this is a problem with the backlights = it's junk. Awesome.

In this case, I'll bet that turning it on and seeing BIOS text wouldn't have shown the problem, so I might have made the same mistake had I turned it on. I would have had to boot it to linux to get a fullscreen graphic. I could have used Parted Magic, I guess. Anyway - Don't Do What I Did!

So, I call him once I've fully painted myself into this corner, and he agrees to pick it up and see for himself. I turn it on for him and he says it doesn't look too bad, he'll take it back to the office and see how it goes. I get an email a couple of hours later that it has gotten much worse and is unusable. From this email, it is clear he has the [correct] mindset that "you were the last person to touch it - so it's your fault.". I can't disagree with him there.

So, I responded that a) it certainly could have been damaged before I got it, and b) Did he ever turn it on and see a good fullscreen image, and c) he's right - I was the last person to touch it. I asked him to send me a receipt for his purchase price. We'll see how it goes, but I think I just bought myself a junk all-in-one. :oops:
 
I did something pretty stupid the other day, so who doesn't like those kind of stories?

This was a new customer, a 3-person attorney's office. I was there for the initial walk-through and discussion of their needs, etc. We had a very nice meeting and got along well. At the end, almost on my way out of the door, the owner asked me to take one of the computers to install an SSD and Windows 10. He had purchased it used "from a buddy of mine", who had removed the hard drive. It was an 27" HP business All-in-one, about 3 years old. I'm sure you can hear this coming a mile away.

Failure 1: I didn't turn the damned thing on in his presence before taking it
Failure 2: I didn't give him my usual speech about used equipment (unknown problem history)

I said "Sure - piece of cake" or some similar drivel. I told him about how much it would cost and he carried it to my car.

This office is less than a mile from mine, so it was a short trip an I carried it myself to the bench where I did the SSD install and Windows install the next day.

As soon as the Windows install displayed something full screen, I saw it. The whole image "shimmered".

Failure 3: I didn't stop right then, although, in retrospect, Failures 1 and 2 meant this failure didn't really matter.

So I knew this was probably a hardware issue, but decided to power through and try some different video drivers or refresh rates to see if I could make the problem go away. You guessed it, none of that helped. The issue does seem to cycle better and worse, it's not constant. I'm sure this is a problem with the backlights = it's junk. Awesome.

In this case, I'll bet that turning it on and seeing BIOS text wouldn't have shown the problem, so I might have made the same mistake had I turned it on. I would have had to boot it to linux to get a fullscreen graphic. I could have used Parted Magic, I guess. Anyway - Don't Do What I Did!

So, I call him once I've fully painted myself into this corner, and he agrees to pick it up and see for himself. I turn it on for him and he says it doesn't look too bad, he'll take it back to the office and see how it goes. I get an email a couple of hours later that it has gotten much worse and is unusable. From this email, it is clear he has the [correct] mindset that "you were the last person to touch it - so it's your fault.". I can't disagree with him there.

So, I responded that a) it certainly could have been damaged before I got it, and b) Did he ever turn it on and see a good fullscreen image, and c) he's right - I was the last person to touch it. I asked him to send me a receipt for his purchase price. We'll see how it goes, but I think I just bought myself a junk all-in-one. :oops:

I'd offer some discount on future service but not for the full price of the AIO. If the only option is to take blame and buy the AIO for full price i.e. your new client thinks your lying about breaking it then I'd explain that I've been doing this for 16 years and I know how to transport and plug in a computer properly so if it isn't working then it wouldn't have anything to do with what I did.

Sounds like you might have a shitter client here.
 
I'd offer some discount on future service but not for the full price of the AIO. If the only option is to take blame and buy the AIO for full price i.e. your new client thinks your lying about breaking it then I'd explain that I've been doing this for 16 years and I know how to transport and plug in a computer properly so if it isn't working then it wouldn't have anything to do with what I did.

Sounds like you might have a shitter client here.

+1
 
Failure 1: I didn't turn the damned thing on in his presence before taking it
Failure 2: I didn't give him my usual speech about used equipment (unknown problem history)
We have all let our guard down in the past. We just strive to never make the same mistake twice.

Since everything comes to me, I won't accept a drop and run. I always ask clients to make sure they have about 15 minutes for me to either boot the PC or if it does not boot for me to boot with my PE and at least test the drive.

While I am doing that I start the paperwork.
 
Try disabling the touch screen. We had one that did something similar and turning off the touch screen corrected it.

I had someone one time that had an AIO touch screen and it was like there was a ghost sitting there constantly tapping the touch screen...I was able to disable it within windows 10 and the problem went away. Very odd issue.
 
Ha - right - lawyers. Not my favorite client for sure. I have several, unfortunately. My worst experience with a client ever was with a lawyer. 2 years into my business, back when I took every client that came down the pike. it was a 3 person firm operating out of the owner's home with, for some reason, a server.

The server was NT4 - old and out of support, and no one had touched it in years. I was 100% break fix at the time and by myself. The very first thing I suggested was replacing that before it failed. 2 months later some hardware failure happened and it took the server down. Of course, I was out of town at the time it happened. It was late on a Friday afternoon and my wife and I were in the back seat of our friends' car on the way to Washington DC for a weekend getaway. I managed to remote in, but couldn't do much. I had a backup tech who had agreed to spot me if anything happened that weekend, but he had his own firm and couldn't get there until Saturday.

I spent 2 hours on the phone with her trying to retrieve data from the backup - she was hysterical -crying, sobbing, screaming, etc. It wasn't fun, and ruined our trip - that's for sure. it also wasn't critical, but she just couldn't wait until Monday morning. Of course she fired me, and stiffed me for outstanding invoices to the tune of $800 - which hurt at the time. At one point later when I was following up on past-due invoices, she said something along the lines of "i dare you to try and collect." It was years before I would take another lawyer as a client.
 
@HCHTech, I support 1 lawyer... ONE. And I attend church with the man, I know his family well. I've taught his kids. We have a relationship there. So I know he's not going to screw me. But each and every other attorney I've supported over the years has not only left me high and dry, but gone out of their way to screw me as hard as they legally can.

I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not going to spend the money to retain one just so I can access what has to be the most dishonest, and annoying client base on the planet. So nope... don't support them.

Churches as @sapphirescales points out, are just as bad. Because they are horribly politically charged organizations, and their internal leadership structure is constantly fighting for power and influence. Whichever segment has leadership this week has different people. So if you want a stable relationship with a church you have to play games with all those factions to maintain your position. I did it for 10 years... and earlier this year finally lost and was fired. And OMG, looking back I can now clearly see just how abusive that relationship was.

But as for your situation, I'd give that lawyer his all in one back, tell him next time don't bring me busted stuff to begin with and walk away. What's he going to do? Leave you a bad review? Refute it, play on the everyone hate's lawyers card... it works. File something with small claims? File back reporting your findings, absent actual evidence it's just legal name calling and no judgement. You're being far more generous attempting to fix his junk than I would be.
 
Yet another example of what assume spells. Over the years been there too many times myself, in spite of some painful lessons. But I may have finally learned that lesson since I haven't had an assume event in several years. And I did knock on wood before saying that.
 
I brought an AIO HP in to the shop a few years ago - same situation. I didn't power it up in their presence, and when I did so in the shop, the display had a "flicker" to it, similar to what you are describing. Sort of like an old black & white movie, where the image flickers...I tried latest drivers, this & that, a bunch of different things. A complete reinstall, hoping to maybe wipe out some stray driver issue or something...

Still has the issue. I google a bunch, and found an old thread someplace that explained a similar situation, and that the problem was solved by installing the original, old, old drivers. So, I did that, and what do you know, it worked!

I breathed a huge sigh of relief, as I didn't feel like it was my fault, the owner hadn't mentioned it...I'm sure they tried to stick me with it to get a new pc out of me. Imagine their surprise when I fixed the initial (unrelated) issue and returned it to them! I never said a word about the flicker & neither did they.

So I say all of that to say this;

Have you tried installed the original factory drivers? Give it a shot - it's worth a try.
 
Have you tried installed the original factory drivers? Give it a shot - it's worth a try.

No, I didn't go all the way back to the originals, although there weren't many iterations, I think only 3 in all. It's at the client's now, I'm waiting on him to send me a response to my email to see what steps to take next. If he sticks to his guns, I'll take it and give it another try. It's been a few days, but it's the holidays so he could be travelling or something.
 
I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not going to spend the money to retain one
Neither am I, but my uncle is a District Attorney and my aunt is a State Judge plus the ONLY law firm I have for MSP is the cities attorney and a very good friend of mine and we barter. I get legal advise when needed and she has a nice, fast, pristine computer to work on. I get free legal assistance. Trust me, I dont mind at all eating the cost of keeping her computer in tip top shape. :D
 
@Your PCMD Thanks for illustrating why I don't get involved there... if you don't have family in the business you're screwed.

That basically sums up my entire life's experience... thanks for the reminder.
 
For point number 1, you probably should have turned it on, like you said, while you were there. But that doesn't always mean everything. Case-in-point:

Customer brings in system for a small issue. I put it up on the bench and fix it while he's there. I brought him back to the bench while I worked on it so he could verify the issue. I got things resolved, shut the thing down, flipped the PSU switch and drained it like always and disconnected everything. Handed it back to him and he left.

About 15 minutes later I get a phone call from the guy. He got it home and it won't boot. Of course the classic "you touched it last so it's your fault" line comes into play even though he was right there in my office as I was working on it and everything was working 100% a-ok. Long story short, I had to go up to his house and find out that Windows had somehow buggered itself up and wasn't loading correctly. Fortunately a system restore was all that was needed but moral is: it's always your fault, whether you take precautions or not.

Also, did the thing not have a hard drive in it at all? I'd have definitely mentioned that in your later conversation. Can't test things fully unless all the hardware is there and functioning so neither of you could've known what issues may be lurking.

Finally, may also want to check the display cable, even though it's an AiO I've seen cables get crispy with corrosion and cause issues like flickering before. It's a manufacturing defect.
 
Eh... it just sounds like you found out what kind of client this person is. Chalk it up to a cheap life lesson, pony up whatever it costs out of pocket and just explain the situation.

For me.. it looks like this...

Me: "I'd feel better if we parted ways, and didn't do business with each other any more"
Lawyer: "What? Why?"
Me: "Well, I obviously got bent over on this one. I am a professional and morally honest man, I wouldn't damage your machine and not admit too it. The problem as I see it is that there is no conclusive proof it was like this BEFORE I took it into my possession, but I assure you I did not cause this problem. If this is the way these situations are going to go, to be honest, I'd rather pass on having this account."
Lawyer: most likely some snarky, heated rebuttal that ends with "GET OUT".

Good riddance.
 
There is no way I would be admitting any kind of fault here.
so what you didn't power it up before taking it, I had kind of a similar transaction in that I bought a 2nd hand monitor from someone in their works car park and obviously didn't power up the thing to check it
when I get it back to the office it has a pink hue on patches along the bottom, we agreed for him to refund me £20 as I couldn't be bothered to do the hour round trip to return it. That is a guy not being an asshole.

I would have stopped work part way through though and called the customer and asked a few questions
have you ever seen this working ?
were you aware it has a faulty ?

Then either get them a price to fix it or telling them it isn't worth fixing.



But i guess everyone is different and we all have "those" customers at some point.
 
I did something pretty stupid the other day, so who doesn't like those kind of stories?

This was a new customer, a 3-person attorney's office. I was there for the initial walk-through and discussion of their needs, etc. We had a very nice meeting and got along well. At the end, almost on my way out of the door, the owner asked me to take one of the computers to install an SSD and Windows 10. He had purchased it used "from a buddy of mine", who had removed the hard drive. It was an 27" HP business All-in-one, about 3 years old. I'm sure you can hear this coming a mile away.

Failure 1: I didn't turn the damned thing on in his presence before taking it
Failure 2: I didn't give him my usual speech about used equipment (unknown problem history)

I said "Sure - piece of cake" or some similar drivel. I told him about how much it would cost and he carried it to my car.

This office is less than a mile from mine, so it was a short trip an I carried it myself to the bench where I did the SSD install and Windows install the next day.

As soon as the Windows install displayed something full screen, I saw it. The whole image "shimmered".

Failure 3: I didn't stop right then, although, in retrospect, Failures 1 and 2 meant this failure didn't really matter.

So I knew this was probably a hardware issue, but decided to power through and try some different video drivers or refresh rates to see if I could make the problem go away. You guessed it, none of that helped. The issue does seem to cycle better and worse, it's not constant. I'm sure this is a problem with the backlights = it's junk. Awesome.

In this case, I'll bet that turning it on and seeing BIOS text wouldn't have shown the problem, so I might have made the same mistake had I turned it on. I would have had to boot it to linux to get a fullscreen graphic. I could have used Parted Magic, I guess. Anyway - Don't Do What I Did!

So, I call him once I've fully painted myself into this corner, and he agrees to pick it up and see for himself. I turn it on for him and he says it doesn't look too bad, he'll take it back to the office and see how it goes. I get an email a couple of hours later that it has gotten much worse and is unusable. From this email, it is clear he has the [correct] mindset that "you were the last person to touch it - so it's your fault.". I can't disagree with him there.

So, I responded that a) it certainly could have been damaged before I got it, and b) Did he ever turn it on and see a good fullscreen image, and c) he's right - I was the last person to touch it. I asked him to send me a receipt for his purchase price. We'll see how it goes, but I think I just bought myself a junk all-in-one. :oops:


Thanks so much for posting this, I have gotten rather lax lately too, its a good reminder! I do free pickup/delivery for visitors downtown and don't always power it on beforehand!! I just have them sign a waiver for data loss.
 
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