Just mind boggling...no words

[britechguy]

willingly dismiss the survey responses

I never dismissed it. What I did do was say that it needs to be approached with a big grain of salt, and I stand by that assessment.

Self-selection (and there is nothing in the quoted passages that indicates anything but a self-selected sample) is also a big red flag in research.

I could go on, but I won't, because you are convinced that any skepticism is unwarranted. Evidence, and usual evidence used in the analysis of reliability and validity of samples, directly suggests it is. That doesn't mean the data is "worthless," either, just that it cannot be taken as a statistically valid random sample.

 

[Mike McCall]

And there it is. The arrogant dismissiveness of any opinion but your own. That someone of your superior intellect and evidentiary standards should grace us mere mortals with your presence, as well as your opinions, should have us in humble awe. I'm done here.

 

[britechguy]

The arrogant dismissiveness of any opinion but your own.

No. It's applying evidentiary standards as a part of critical thinking.

It's a feature, not a bug.

 

[GTP]

to keep firearms out of the hands of the unstable and, dare I say it, confiscating them from the hands of those who have become unstable.

Had this been applied earlier in Australia it would have probably averted the Port Arthur Massacre by Martin Bryant in Tasmania on April 28 1996, where 35 innocent men, women and children were gunned down.

Thank God our PM at the time John Howard said enough is enough and repealed gun laws in Australia so that incidents like this wouldnt ever happen again.

 

[nlinecomputers]

which was promoted
by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members

Sorry that invalidates the Survey as it is not a random sampling. That website has a political agenda that will attract a certain audience. It’s not a valid scientific sampling.

 

[TechLady]

We've had this discussion before, and it didn't end well.

 

[britechguy]

We've had this discussion before, and it didn't end well.

Because appeals to logic and reason are so often absent from these discussions. And even though the cartoon you posted is snarky, it is also absolutely true to anyone who looks at objective reality.

 

[pctechforhire]

And there it is. The arrogant dismissiveness of any opinion but your own. That someone of your superior intellect and evidentiary standards should grace us mere mortals with your presence, as well as your opinions, should have us in humble awe. I'm done here.

This is what they are good at. Silencing us. If you're pro-gun or anti-covid jab, you're automatically labeled a crazy person. They don't want a discussion. And they don't know how to reason logically. I gave up on all of them a long time ago, and I'm not getting into a discussion with them...on a tech support forum...about guns.

But I did want to respond to you to let you know that I'm in agreement with you and everything you've posted about this subject.

And, for the record, I haven't actually been silenced. I just choose to discuss politically charged subjects like this on more appropriate forums. Forums where an actual discussion can happen without the ridicule.

 

[Diggs]

Back to "Mind Boggling" where this thread started - (400 shootings?)

More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend | CNN

At least 233 people were killed and 618 people were injured by gun violence in more than 500 shootings across the country during the Fourth of July weekend, a 26% drop from last year's holiday weekend, according to the latest data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive.

www.cnn.com

 

[britechguy]

Back to "Mind Boggling" where this thread started - (400 shootings?)

Shocking, but not surprising. Guns and alcohol (which there tends to be plenty of surrounding Independence Day celebrations) is a volatile mix, and even more so with heat and volatile people.

 

[Metanis]

Back to "Mind Boggling" where this thread started - (400 shootings?)

More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend | CNN

At least 233 people were killed and 618 people were injured by gun violence in more than 500 shootings across the country during the Fourth of July weekend, a 26% drop from last year's holiday weekend, according to the latest data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive.

www.cnn.com

At least 25% of those were in Chicago, a city with the most onerous gun control laws and managed by Democrats for nearly 100 years now. I strongly suspect that over 90% of the shootings occurred in a handful of corrupt cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, LA, etc. which all have "defunded the police" and hired George Soro's-funded prosecutors since the George Floyd riots. It's like you get what you pay for, or in this case, what you refuse to pay for, public safety.

 

[Sky-Knight]

At least 25% of those were in Chicago, a city with the most onerous gun control laws and managed by Democrats for nearly 100 years now. I strongly suspect that over 90% of the shootings occurred in a handful of corrupt cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, LA, etc. which all have "defunded the police" and hired George Soro's-funded prosecutors since the George Floyd riots. It's like you get what you pay for, or in this case, what you refuse to pay for, public safety.

That's utter BS, and as someone that tends to lean right I'm honestly tired of hearing it. The cities in the US with the most crime violent or otherwise is so well studied you can see the data on Wiki for crying out loud. You can sort them, flip them, turn them around and yeah... you're going to find a ton of Democrat leadership. You're also going to find a ton of Republican leadership. But... you're going to find a little less of the latter because the red team doesn't appeal to urban voters much. They used to... but they don't anymore. So any given population center tends to be blue. For this same reason all elections when watched over time start red, and turn blue. As the smaller rural almost always red precincts finish counting their two votes and certify first, and then we all get to wait as the cities count all the actual votes in the area.

Because our Republic cares about PEOPLE, not land.

All that being said, I'm upset all of this links to GUNS... because this isn't a gun issue. It's a poverty and desperation issue, well rooted in the systemic racism this nation has allowed to fester in one form or another since its founding. Neither party is all that interested in fixing it. But they're both all too willing to make a ton of money turning a new class of people into criminals to feed the prison industrial complex!

And now I've completed the CONSERVATIVE argument for defunding the police. We get twice the return out of investment in schools and after school programs than we do on law enforcement. And larger population centers need different things than smaller ones. The sooner we realize that and let our Federal system actually FEDERATE, the better off we'll be.

 

[Metanis]

The sooner we realize that and let our Federal system actually FEDERATE, the better off we'll be.

Which is happening even now on an epic scale. The deep divisions in the USA prove that a majorly significant portion of the population believe in the rule of law and the separation of powers and that changes have to be done using constitutional procedures, not media-induced frenzy.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Which is happening even now on an epic scale. The deep divisions in the USA prove that a majorly significant portion of the population believe in the rule of law and the separation of powers and that changes have to be done using constitutional procedures, not media-induced frenzy.

I really wish this were true... but I just don't see it. I see two dominant political forces that control our nation. Both of them disastrously authoritarian, and neither are fiscally responsible. There are gradients of difference of course. But, the right's obsession for "safety" drives an unhealthy investment in police and military to the exclusion of all else. And the left's obsession for "fairness" drives an unhealthy investment in social programs. Which in and of itself isn't really a problem, the problem is the social programs are considered a "failure" if they do not have "high enrollment". But that's the rub isn't it? Shouldn't a program designed to solve a problem have high enrollment at the start, and then declining enrollment over time?

But when the right sees that decline they're the first to scream we don't need that! And then turn around and blow the money on more tanks for cops! When the money should be leaving the tax rolls and staying in the hands of the tax payer! When the left sees it, they find a new victim class or define one to prop the numbers up.

We're caught in a negative feedback loop of Biblical proportions here. And the two named parties are the drivers, they are both at fault. I refuse to be aligned with either as a result.

But if you think the Democrats are ruled by those that wish to subvert the rule of law, you're blinded by propaganda. If there's a unifying force in this nation at all, it's THAT. We're all generally committed to the rule of law here. The problem is the law doesn't say what we think it does in most cases.

 

[Metanis]

The original meme as posted wanted to draw a contrast between those things a young person could legally purchase. It purposely attempted to demonize guns. They should have shown two other attempted purchases that are also legally available to minors in many states. They should have shown a minor attempting to purchase an abortion or gender reassignment surgery. Both of which are not prohibited to minors and in some cases are available without parental consent.

 

[britechguy]

They should have shown a minor attempting to purchase an abortion or gender reassignment surgery. Both of which are not prohibited to minors and in some cases are available without parental consent.

Talk about an apples and oranges stretch!

 

[Sky-Knight]

Talk about an apples and oranges stretch!

Hardly... considering the risk of lethal injury with a weapon is approximate to the certain permanent long term physical damage caused by both of those medical procedures. Which is why parents should be involved... despite the left's insistence otherwise. The state lacks a serious interest in preserving the life, or even quality of life for any individual citizen. This reality is also rooted in my earlier comments about our Federal system, and how it's supposed to work.

P.S. They still didn't show his mother who was off camera providing permission for that purchase. Which is disingenuous as all get out.

 

[britechguy]

Which is why parents should be involved... despite the left's insistence otherwise.

And virtually always are. Courts generally have to get involved otherwise, and they won't even get involved unless it's abundantly clear that having the parents involved poses a threat to the wellbeing of the child.

 

[Sky-Knight]

And virtually always are. Courts generally have to get involved otherwise, and they won't even get involved unless it's abundantly clear that having the parents involved poses a threat to the wellbeing of the child.

Right up until they aren't... even Red AZ has crap like this. I'm actually fighting it RIGHT NOW! I can't get the blood test results for my 16 year old daughter because "I'm not authorized" to see them as her parent. But she as a minor isn't allowed to have the account required to access the data!

This stuff is everywhere... every state has something. And generally empowering parents is a good thing... but even that has obvious limits.

 

[britechguy]

No one, including me, has ever claimed that every last bit of bureaucracy makes sense. I'd be the last person to argue that.

But what you describe is utterly weird. Having worked in health care for many years, the parent is in every case other than the one you've mentioned, or the circumstances I've alluded to, the legal representative for their minor children. If the child doesn't have access and the parent doesn't have access then ongoing informed consent is impossible, which conflicts with a number of laws.

Yours is a problem, but an AZ problem, for sure!