IOS or Android, what's your choice?

gunslinger said:
Must be nice. Between me, my wife and daughter we eat up around 30 gigs per month.
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How?!?!?!?!

I mean I guess I "might" use a bit more. I don't tend to stream videos or music much on my phone, and rarely ever download new apps or update apps unless I'm on my wifi because 3G is painfully slow. Feel free to tell me it's none of my business, but damn that's a ton of mobile data!
 
Stability? Every test I've seen shows more force closes on ios than android. One forbes article mentioned ios6 being slightly more stable, but overall across the board ios crashes more than android. You would think only having 6 or 7 phones they could make apps play nice, but no. Havent seen a force close on my s3, it never freezes. My evo maybe crashed a couple times outside of playing with overclocking it.

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If the s3 didn't come out I would use my Evo 4g over an iphone 5. Aside from it being a better phone, I cant get behind the whole ideal of apple, i.e. steal every idea you can but sue everyone who slightly resembles an idea you had, or sending in the storm trooper to raid a repair shop for fixing your disposable toys, etc.
 
DCGPX said:
I go through alot but I utilise wifi hotspots so I keep well within my 3GB/mth.

Surely all that 30GB cant be mobile data and wifi, must cost an arm!
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My wife uses youtube to help teach her lessons at school and its blocked on the school wifi. My daughter loves her some youtube and pandora. As for cost its about $250 per month because I have a grandfathered in truly unlimited data package.
 
16k_zx81 said:
+1 SHEESH... Bryce, you realise you just lost all credibility as a technician? :)
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I know, I will hand in my technician card to the nearest computer store.

In all seriousness though, all the end-user-Apple-fashion-go-to-Starbucks-so-people-can-see-me-using-my-Macbook wanky stuff has really ruined the image of it all in the tech circles. Yes, the iOS stuff is locked down (unless you jailbreak it), but the Macs are seriously powerful machines. Basically Linux with extreme polish and without the messing around. I had a similar Apple hate until I started actually using the stuff. I mean REALLY use it, not just try OSX for 10 minutes and get frustrated that it doesnt work the same way Windows does and say its crap (which I too have done in the past).

I actually own more than 3 Apple devices. There is also a retired 3G sitting in a cupboard somewhere as well as an iPhone 4G and a Macbook Unibody which was handed down to the Missus.
 
Bryce mentioned something that I will admit I have noticed....

Apples products...."apps"...average much higher quality than what you'll find in Google Play store.

That's one thing I've noticed over recent years. My wife's been an iPhone/iPad fan for a few years now. Our daughter loves playing games on her phone and ipad. Couple of XMas's ago we got our daughter a 'droid tablet...Kindle Fire. The unit itself is nice quality...but stuff available for it ...there's so much "crap" in the Google Play market. I mean, we really had to keep an eye on her every time she wanted to find a game and install it. With the iPhone store...we had no worry. This year she has an iPad now.

As for the phones themselves...locking up 'n stuff, I think my wifes phone needs forced reboots quite a bit more than my 'droid phone.
 
Bryce W said:
I know, I will hand in my technician card to the nearest computer store.

In all seriousness though, all the end-user-Apple-fashion-go-to-Starbucks-so-people-can-see-me-using-my-Macbook wanky stuff has really ruined the image of it all in the tech circles. Yes, the iOS stuff is locked down (unless you jailbreak it), but the Macs are seriously powerful machines.
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Mac OSX has quite a following in the hacker/software development community. A large number of these folks find the "Unix with a polished UI" very attractive. If you go to any hardcore Unixy tech conferences, you see a rather high Macbook count.
 
Bryce W said:
I know, I will hand in my technician card to the nearest computer store.

In all seriousness though, all the end-user-Apple-fashion-go-to-Starbucks-so-people-can-see-me-using-my-Macbook wanky stuff has really ruined the image of it all in the tech circles. Yes, the iOS stuff is locked down (unless you jailbreak it), but the Macs are seriously powerful machines. Basically Linux with extreme polish and without the messing around. I had a similar Apple hate until I started actually using the stuff. I mean REALLY use it, not just try OSX for 10 minutes and get frustrated that it doesnt work the same way Windows does and say its crap (which I too have done in the past).

I actually own more than 3 Apple devices. There is also a retired 3G sitting in a cupboard somewhere as well as an iPhone 4G and a Macbook Unibody which was handed down to the Missus.
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Nah, you basically just reposted exactly what I said but expanded on it a bit more. Its sad that some people judge all Mac users based on the few Starbucks types. Its like me judging all Linux users based on the few un-washed rabid, snobby Linux fans that I have encountered. Or Judging all PC fans based on the Teen-still living at mom and dads and spending $600 of their parents money on a new graphics card every four months types.
 
The biggest problem I have with Apple products would be the price.

They make un heard of profits on hardware sales easily climbing upwards of 20 and 30%.

They sell a laptop for $2000, with the computing capabilities of a machine that can be had for much less. Sure it might not be quite the same "fit and finish", but at least IMO, it's not worth the extra $1000.

They are good machines, and I'll agree that the "nix" based environment is nice for the power users. I simply can't find a good reason to pay the very inflated cost.

As far as the OS itself goes, I like the IOS better.

It's more refined, more streamlined and "simpler". I know of what an android "can do" but honestly I don't need my phone for that kind of stuff. Hell I don't even have any music loaded on my iPhone... I don't even have iTunes installed on my workstation PC.
 
brandonkick said:
The biggest problem I have with Apple products would be the price.

They make un heard of profits on hardware sales easily climbing upwards of 20 and 30%.

They sell a laptop for $2000, with the computing capabilities of a machine that can be had for much less. Sure it might not be quite the same "fit and finish", but at least IMO, it's not worth the extra $1000.

They are good machines, and I'll agree that the "nix" based environment is nice for the power users. I simply can't find a good reason to pay the very inflated cost.

As far as the OS itself goes, I like the IOS better.

It's more refined, more streamlined and "simpler". I know of what an android "can do" but honestly I don't need my phone for that kind of stuff. Hell I don't even have any music loaded on my iPhone... I don't even have iTunes installed on my workstation PC.
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If people are willing to pay extra than its worth it. Obviously there are many millions of people more than willing to pay a premium for a better product. Apple figured this out a long time ago while others raced to the bottom. The end result was Apple being worth more than Acer, Dell, toshiba, and All the rest combined.
 
I refuse to agree that apples higher prices (and their net worth) are any direct correlation to the "quality" of their machines. I'm not saying that apple doesn't make a good product, I'm just saying there is way more to it then that.

As I've said, you can get a laptop with similar specs for far less money then a macbook would be. Just because a customer can afford it, doesn't make it a better product. They sell hardware at a much higher premium then other vendors do.

It's a status thing. It's a brand that has done very well for many different reasons. Apple has marketed itself correctly, and made sure it appealed to the correct markets. They did a lot of smart things. But again, I'll refuse to agree that a $2000 + macbook garners the price difference between it and another laptop with similar specs and a price tag coming in at nearly 1/2 of the macbook.
 
brandonkick said:
I refuse to agree that apples higher prices (and their net worth) are any direct correlation to the "quality" of their machines. I'm not saying that apple doesn't make a good product, I'm just saying there is way more to it then that.

As I've said, you can get a laptop with similar specs for far less money then a macbook would be. Just because a customer can afford it, doesn't make it a better product. They sell hardware at a much higher premium then other vendors do.

It's a status thing. It's a brand that has done very well for many different reasons. Apple has marketed itself correctly, and made sure it appealed to the correct markets. They did a lot of smart things. But again, I'll refuse to agree that a $2000 + macbook garners the price difference between it and another laptop with similar specs and a price tag coming in at nearly 1/2 of the macbook.
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See thats where most people miss the point. Its not all about specs. Its about user experience. Example: A $600 notebook from Walmart has 8 gigs of RAM a 750 gig HDD and a Core i5. Same specs in a Macbook Pro $1,500. (these by the way are real numbers) User experience on the walmart PC, windows 8 on a non-touch device (sucks in the extreme) Cheap plastic design (breaks if looked at wrong) No resale value at all (try to resale it the next week at half price, good luck)

Then there is the Macbook Pro. All metal, great OS (functional and stable while being damn near virus proof) Great resale value (keep it 5 years and get 75% of your money back).

Different products for different kinds of people. I can get a 2013 KIA for less than 1/4 what I can get a 2013 BMW for. Both have a v6 and 4 wheels and both will get me from point A to point B. The user experience is not the same. Its not all about status. Not everyone buys higher end products because they want to say "hey look at me".

If you want to get the cheapest thing you can get your hands on and try to force it or trick it into doing what you want done fine. But not everyone gets their jollys that way.You also forget something is only worth what someone will give for it. If most people thought Apple products were over priced they wouldn't buy them and Apple would go out of business pretty fast. Thats not exactly what we are seeing now is it? What I'm seeing is a metric s h i t ton of people willing to pay more for a higher quality product that gives them a great user experience and an OS that does not try to drive them to suicide.
 
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gunslinger said:
See thats where most people miss the point. Its not all about specs. Its about user experience. Example: A $600 notebook from Walmart has 8 gigs of RAM a 750 gig HDD and a Core i5. Same specs in a Macbook Pro $1,500. (these by the way are real numbers) User experience on the walmart PC, windows 8 on a non-touch device (sucks in the extreme) Cheap plastic design (breaks if looked at wrong) No resale value at all (try to resale it the next week at half price, good luck)

Then there is the Macbook Pro. All metal, great OS (functional and stable while being damn near virus proof) Great resale value (keep it 5 years and get 75% of your money back).

Different products for different kinds of people. I can get a 2013 KIA for less than 1/4 what I can get a 2013 BMW for. Both have a v6 and 4 wheels and both will get me from point A to point B. The user experience is not the same. Its not all about status. Not everyone buys higher end products because they want to say "hey look at me".

If you want to get the cheapest thing you can get your hands on and try to force it or trick it into doing what you want done fine. But not everyone gets their jollys that way.You also forget something is only worth what someone will give for it. If most people thought Apple products were over priced they wouldn't buy them and Apple would go out of business pretty fast. Thats not exactly what we are seeing now is it? What I'm seeing is a metric s h i t ton of people willing to pay more for a higher quality product that gives them a great user experience and an OS that does not try to drive them to suicide.
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Kind of moving from ios vs android to pc vs mac, as well as exaggerating quite a bit. Build quality doesn't really matter on laptops. If you are an adult and take care of a laptop, any laptop will last 10 years. Mac or PC, the internals are the same, and if you drop it the screen will break. The mac will be far more expensive to repair.

I'll give you resale value on macs, but to be honest, that's getting back to the starbuck/hipster/status symbol issue.. The only people paying 1000 bucks for a 5 year old mac are the kids who need to look cool but can't afford 1500.

For phones, my evo still sells for more than I paid for it, almost 3 years later. I have friends that switch phones left and right and can always make their money back on android phones.

So moving back to ios vs android -
"Then there is the Macbook Pro. All metal, great OS (functional and stable while being damn near virus proof) Great resale value (keep it 5 years and get 75% of your money back)."

Android - more functional, more stable than ios, damn near virus proof, great resale value


Final thought... the only "forcing or tricking into doing what you want it to" I see on a computer is people coming in weekly asking us to set up parallels on their mac, because they bought a mac when they should have bought a PC.. Never had someone coming in asking for a hackintosh.
 
Android - more functional, more stable than ios, damn near virus proof, great resale value
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Functional is relative. iOS does everything I need it to and is easier to navigate than Android, so for me iOS is far more functional. My experience and the experience of everyone I know who has owned both has said iOS was more stable. Of course this is limited to myself and the few people I know. As for viruses: While iOS technically has more vulnerabilities it tends to get infected a lot less than android.
 
My post was headed off topic, but wasn't quite there.

As far as iOS or Mac OSX being virus free... I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. It will get worse in the future, the only reason it really hasn't is because until recently the market share of mac users was so low it wasn't worth the effort.

I like iOS and OSX, but apple charges way too much for hardware. My fiancees 2005 Macbook (plastic) hasn't help up well at all. The hard drive died in it three times, the fire wire port quit working and her battery bit the dust twice. Of course, apple care took care of most of that quickly and without a problem. The point is that the hardware had issues, and a good warranty service would do nearly the same from another manufactuer.

I have a dell XPS M1530 that I bought used for $300 going on over five years ago now. It has been a rock solid machine and when I bought it the machine had a bad hard drive.

I called dell and they had me run a diagnostic tool, which confirmed that the drive was bad. They sent me a new drive quickly and without any trouble. The machine has been running strong ever since, I think they even sent me a copy of all the recovery media that I needed.


tl;dr

Yes the macbook pros have a better fit and finish. Yes some people like them more and are willing to pay the higher price. Yes I still feel the machines aren't worth the money and yes I realize that is just my opinion!

I like iOS over android, have had less issues. To be fair though, that could be biased because of my actions with the droid phone I had.
 
Personally, I think the entire debate is pointless. I prefer Android for a myriad of reasons. I love it, and it keeps getting better with every update. I won't go into which one is better for whatever reasons because so much of it is subjective. What I tell my customers is this: Get which one you like the best. Most of the providers have a return policy. Try them out. If you already have one or the other, switching to a new platform can be tricky. If you're using it heavily for business, stick with Android or (can't believe I'm saying this) Windows phone. Contact, calendar, and general device management is so much easier. I can monitor the phone and backup contacts and remote wipe with Exchange or my RMM solution. I don't know if you can do that with IOS or not, nor do I care. I find absolutely no reason for my business customers to have itunes installed on their office machines, and, without itunes, managing the device can be a little tough.

In other words, stick with what you know and/or like. If it's for business, well . . .
 
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