interesting things hidden from most of us.

[nlinecomputers]

Ok, I dont want to get into this deeply but I will go this far.

Its not "kerosene", you shouldnt play down the intensity of burning modern jet fuel.

It's not 10% damage causing 100% failure, its critical to understand the design of the building.

It was not a STEEL FRAME BUILDING, not a frame everyone is used to.
The towers were designed with a new exoskeleton support system, not a standard box type.

The towers were designed to survive an impact from a 707 (conspiracy theory people say 747, that is wrong, the 747 didnt exist when the towers were designed.).

The heat from the fire did NOT melt the steel, it softened the support braces. The softening caused the metal to warp and the critical support areas collapsed on one floor causing the weight of that floor to be placed onto the next floor below it. It was not a gentle placement of the weight either, it was a drop of the floor onto the next. The lower floor is not designed to take not only twice the weight of the above floor but ALL the floors above it as the upper floors now collapsed inward due to the exoskeleton design.

Once the first collapse occured the building could not possibly survive, all the floors above began to collapse onto the next floor and the weight plus impact of the collapse caused each floor to collapse. The collapse was near vertical due to the design of the building and how previous floors were collapsing causing the exoskeletion to flop inwards from the top down.

I worked in WTC1 for a few years. You could not put bombs or thermite or anything in the walls, the walls were so thin and there was so little in between the windows. Nobody could have designed something in 1966 to be set off in 2001 without hundreds if not thousands of people knowing. To this day only a handful of nut jobs claim to "know something" about bombs.

That's all I am going to say, I know that there are all kinds of weird theories and each has been proven to be wrong but people don't want to let it go.

I guess people need to find something to do with their free time and I guess this is one of those things.

Ok I am going to get real rude here but only to make a point. You just made some assumptions and put words into my mouth and I don't appreciate that tactic at all. I never said ANYTHING about 747s nor about melting steel or softening steel so DO NOT PUT WORDS in my mouth. GOT IT?

I don't even understand your 1966 statement. Are you saying the building was BUILT with bombs? That is a ridiculous statement.

Yes I know it is jetfuel. Jetfuel is NOT that different then basic kerosene. It burns somewhat cleaner but not much hotter burning. But your point is valid I will use the better term. My Bad.

The tube design of the building is not structurally weaker then the traditional frame design. The opposite in fact as such structures have to support wider open spaces. Even so the core of a tube building is much stronger then the typical frame design. So it should have survived better then the rest of the building. Yet the cores were completely destroyed. And there were fires in 10 or so floors in upper weaker parts of the building. The lower parts did not have fire, are of stronger designs and yet failed just as fully as the lower parts. And why didn't the building topple? Every joint in the building failed exactly the same way? Even though fire was only concentrated in one corner of the south tower? And none of this explains the pulverized concrete. Every 1 acre 4 inch floor slab in each building was crushed to micron sized dust. Dust that appeared at onset when only one or two floors have fallen and only have moved 10ft. Shouldn't some of the floor slabs remained intact? Especially the upper floors? Then there is the heat from the pile. This was a hydrocarbon fire. Yet weeks after the attack the clean up team is finding red hot glowing steal beams. The FEMA report. The first report done on the attack mentions that some of the steel found and examined by them had been subjected to a sulfur corrosion. They offered no explanation to the source of the sulfur. http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html

I can go on and on. I will say that there are lots of civil engineers, architects, and even physicists who question this and have put quite a bit of genuine scientific methodology in examining this.

 

[Cornerstone Technologies]

DO NOT PUT WORDS in my mouth. GOT IT?

And this is why conspiracy theory forums exist. Quite honestly, this thread should never have been created here.

 

[NYJimbo]

Ok I am going to get real rude here but only to make a point. You just made some assumptions and put words into my mouth and I don't appreciate that tactic at all. I never said ANYTHING about 747s nor about melting steel or softening steel so DO NOT PUT WORDS in my mouth. GOT IT?

Yeah, I got your point on how you got all defensive.

I quoted you and then made my response. So you got all worked up and said things about me putting words into your mouth or using some kind of tactics. But I didn't, did I ? Where did I say you said anything ?

You are wrong about 9/11. Even your understanding of the building design shows you are so confused.

Have a nice day.

ps- I know its cold where you are so If your kerosene heater is running out of fuel I hear the Airport has "kerosene" on sale. LOL.

 

[nonchalant]

LOL..the buildings didnt collapse due to a kerosene fire

9/11 WAS an 'inside job'. No doubt in my mind whatsoever. Apart from the fact the buildings literally exploded into powder there are a hundred other things that just dont add up in view of the official 'story'. And thats all it was - a story. Bit like Alice in Wonderland...

If anyone else here has is still of the minority view that a few arabs with boxcutters and an oxygen-starved fire caused the twin towers to explode into dust, just google 'Building 7'. Its a real eye-opener.

Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM

 

[NYJimbo]

If anyone else here has is still of the minority view that a few arabs with boxcutters....

Do you mean a few arabs with boxcutters AND hijacked 767 jets?

Why do I bother.

 

[nonchalant]

Do you mean a few arabs with boxcutters AND hijacked 767 jets?

Why do I bother.

In 1945 a WWII B-25 bomber, lost in fog, crashed into the Empire State Building. However, firemen were able to reach the damaged floors and put out the fires with a few hoses. Not only did the building stand up fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ir1uiM_IZ8 the building was open for business on many floors on the following Monday!

And yea hey Jimbo the truths all out there man I agree. All you gotta do is go looking for it

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

.....chit chat seemed general enough.

As far as unenlightened or intellectually lazy, I did not put anyone in that basket but some have put themselves there. Probably too much Fox News.

I didn't even see the 9/11 topic.

I was posting because I thought it was interesting about vaccinations having mercury and how Monsanto got FDA not to regulate genetically altered foods before putting them in the food chain and how they sue the poor farmers for copyright infringement when the seeds blow across the street and grows on their land unauthorized.

But what the hey enjoy the site.

 

[NYJimbo]

In 1945 a WWII B-25 bomber, lost in fog, crashed into the Empire State Building. However, firemen were able to reach the damaged floors and put out the fires with a few hoses. Not only did the building stand up fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ir1uiM_IZ8 the building was open for business on many floors on the following Monday!

I can't believe you would even compare the two.

 

[Turcoloco]

Even if 1% of all the rational sounding CTs are true, that would still be shocking and worrisome. I am guessing it is more than 1%.
Which ones are true or likely to be true will depend on the person, you have to decide where to draw the line.
I think it is better to have this type of information available and let people weed thru them with a grain of salt than to be stuck with filtered and biased news that comes from news media.

Ultimately, it is you what you'd do when asked to decide between picking the red or the blue pill, the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).

 

[SilverLeaf]

Even if 1% of all the rational sounding CTs are true, that would still be shocking and worrisome. I am guessing it is more than 1%.
Which ones are true or likely to be true will depend on the person, you have to decide where to draw the line.
I think it is better to have this type of information available and let people weed thru them with a grain of salt than to be stuck with filtered and biased news that comes from news media.

Ultimately, it is you what you'd do when asked to decide between picking the red or the blue pill, the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).

I agree.

Here's the problem with "conspiracy theories". While many are really far-fetched, scientifically unfounded, and sometimes downright nuts; some aren't. Often, anything that is outside of the mainstream (due to a myriad of reasons: ignorance, cover-up, suppression, disinterest, etc..) is lumped in with all the far-out stuff, and consequently becomes a fringe issue itself, despite it's potential validity.

That said, I believe the earlier mention of topics like the FDA, Monsanto (it probably won't be SkyNet that destroys humanity), Big Pharma, Big Food, etc..are all issues worthy of honest, unbiased, in-depth research, if you are so inclined. Over the years, I have embraced several life-affecting positions that are counter to current mainstream thought and "common knowledge" (mostly related to health, medicine, food, nutrition, toxins, and so on), after performing due diligence.

It is entirely possible (probable) that your personal inquiry into some things will result in complete outrage at the status quo, the vested interest that some constituents have at maintaining it, the lengths at which they will go to do so, and the potential consequences for you, your family, and mankind in general. At least it has for me on occasion. It can be a very tangled web sometimes.

 

[coffee]

In 1945 a WWII B-25 bomber, lost in fog, crashed into the Empire State Building. However, firemen were able to reach the damaged floors and put out the fires with a few hoses. Not only did the building stand up fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ir1uiM_IZ8 the building was open for business on many floors on the following Monday!

And yea hey Jimbo the truths all out there man I agree. All you gotta do is go looking for it

This is true. You have to look for it. However, You have to find the right information and have the knowledge to accurately interpret it. Lets look at these two aircraft and see why a B-25 would not do the same amount of damage as a boeing 767.

North American B-25 Mitchell Weight pounds 21,100

Boeing 767 empty operating weight of 176,650 lbs

The Boeing 767 is faster than a B-25, Carries more passengers, More fuel.

The two buildings in question are not even comparable in construction. The Empire state building was built like a rock. Why do I say this? Because if you look at a picture of it you will see a "catch" at the top that was put there so that Zeppelins would be able to dock there. Therefore, It had to be able to support the stress of an airship tethered to its top.

The Towers were built for office space only.

Incidently, You can see this same building design in the Chrysler building as you have in the Empire state building.

With these very few facts I can understand why and how the ESB didnt fall and the TT's did. Should you wish to continue to believe such as thing then thats fine. Its your right.

Television shows/ Radio shows only keep these types of rumours going to make money. Also, If you follow the money trail alot of other people probably get something out of it too - recognition, 15 minutes of fame, money, exposure ect...

Just to add also,

"The TT's where an inside job". No, Clearly by any video footage it shows it was most definitely an OUTside job. Case closed.

 

[jfm]

Speaking as a former nurse specialising in psychiatry your neighbour appears to be suffering from low grade paranoid delusions. That DOES NOT MEAN that EVERYONE that has deep questions about the mainstream military\industrial\government\media complex is deluded.

Thank you. I love you.

 

[nlinecomputers]

This is true. You have to look for it. However, You have to find the right information and have the knowledge to accurately interpret it. Lets look at these two aircraft and see why a B-25 would not do the same amount of damage as a boeing 767.

North American B-25 Mitchell Weight pounds 21,100

Boeing 767 empty operating weight of 176,650 lbs

The Boeing 767 is faster than a B-25, Carries more passengers, More fuel.

The two buildings in question are not even comparable in construction. The Empire state building was built like a rock. Why do I say this? Because if you look at a picture of it you will see a "catch" at the top that was put there so that Zeppelins would be able to dock there. Therefore, It had to be able to support the stress of an airship tethered to its top.

The Towers were built for office space only.

Incidently, You can see this same building design in the Chrysler building as you have in the Empire state building.

With these very few facts I can understand why and how the ESB didnt fall and the TT's did. Should you wish to continue to believe such as thing then thats fine. Its your right.

Television shows/ Radio shows only keep these types of rumours going to make money. Also, If you follow the money trail alot of other people probably get something out of it too - recognition, 15 minutes of fame, money, exposure ect...

Just to add also,

"The TT's where an inside job". No, Clearly by any video footage it shows it was most definitely an OUTside job. Case closed.

I have no problem with ESB not falling during it's event. The WTC towers should not have fallen either. And even if they did they would NOT do so in the manner that they did. They fell at an accelerated rate pulverizing in mid air the concrete floor slabs. Hurling beams out of the building at speeds over 50-60 MPH as far a way as 600 ft in only 5-10 seconds slower then free fall. Pulverizing the floors to micron sized dust particles. Vaporizing 1000 bodies that were never found. 1.5 million tons of building provided only a few seconds more resistance then AIR. And it accelerated as it fell. That violates the Newtonian Law of the Conservation of Momentum. There simply isn't enough Potential energy in the building to over come the resistance of floors of the building. It shouldn't have collapsed. And even if it did it is physically impossible for it have destroyed the whole building. A few floors at most should have collapsed and then caused it to topple.

 

[nesrinamb]

That is a pretty interesting site.

I dont know about the whole 9/11 thing but to all of you out their yes the ford model T in 1908 did have a 25mpg and yes it has gone down to 21 on average. Its actually documented in a few books in mechanical engineering and physics in college.

Also yes big companies do sue little guys when the seeds blow across the street and they call it copyright infringement or some BS like that. I know a few farmers who quickly got rid of their crops and took the loss because its either they struggle or the big guys go after them. Either way their in a very bad position because little farms are always struggling.

Some of the stuff is true and others I dont really know.

 

[seedubya]

Thank you. I love you.

Buy me dinner first?

 

[Whisky Lima]

Why is it that when someone says the government are responsible for a number of highly illegal conspiracys, we believe it...

but when we see a sign that says the paint is wet, we check?

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

Why is it that when someone says the government are responsible for a number of highly illegal conspiracys, we believe it...

but when we see a sign that says the paint is wet, we check?

that is because we can.

 

[JustInspired]

Looks like they're opting for a .info domain because the TLD .crackpot hasn't been registered yet.

Really tried not to laugh at this but it was an exercise in futility.

 

[PC Ops]

You know what I think? I think NYJimbo is a secret US agent infiltrating forums to stop any conspiracy theory in its tracks and ridiculize it. That's my theory

No offense Jimbo

On topic: although I believe there are things going on we've yet to learn about (and I don't mean chemtrails and that kinda crap ), I absolutely do not believe that there's some sort of conspiracy around 9/11. We all saw what happened. I'm with NYJimbo on that one.

 

[marybell]

Nice to chit chat over here