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I was watching an NFL game that was linked from FirstRowSports.eu
I simply clicked to view the game and I think one of the advertisements may have been infected. I got some Antivirus 2012 trojan fake alert virus. Security Essentials didn't catch it. That's for sure. This is making me question Security Essentials. What do you all think? Is Security Essentials just as good as all of the others. 95% effective?
 
Perhaps you failed to take note to the "Microsoft" part of "Microsoft Security Essentials". But yeah, no AV is 100 percent. Hell, 5 of them aren't 100 percent. I do recommend sandboxie however.
 
You can catch most problems with most anti virus programs, but you can't catch all of the problems. I know people that are very safe online and still catch viruses with proper av and others that are not as safe and have no problems.
 
I've seen XP Antivirus 2012 slip past any brand of antivirus. Usually the most recent variants of the latest rogues will slip past any antivirus. Pick your top favorite most trusted brand of antivirus....and you can bet your whole shop that someone here has cleaned an infected of a rogue that has slipped past your favorite brand of antivirus.

In my experience...MSE seems to have been better than most of the freebie AVs out there. I would say that only Avast seems to be better...of the "free" list. However, I can state as a fact that I have used MSE to clean a machine that was protected by Avast that got infected. I've used Avast, AntiVir, and in the past...AVG...for my freebie jobs, and I've had to clean rigs that got infected. Since I switched those "freebie" clients over to MSE...I find I am having to clean their rigs much less.

Yesterday I cleaned out a friends laptop...he had Norton 360 2011 on it...uninstalled that, rebooted...put on MSE...and within a minute of beginning its first scan it found a backdoor that Norton never even saw. I know a lot of us love to bash Norton...but honestly it has been very good in detection over recent years, as proven by tests at av-comparatives.org.

The big key to preventing these rogues is to keep your "web players" up to date. That means mostly Java, Flash, PDF readers, Shockwave, etc.

It's good to see you mention you got bit by viewing legit sites. Re-enforces what I've been saying for a couple of years now...that it's advertising streams on legit websites that are commonly used as a vehicle to infect people. I hear so many people say.."you got infected..musta been looking a porn huh?" I laugh at loud when I hear experienced IT guys say that too...feel bad for their lack of understanding of how it works.

I remember years ago when the "rogues/fake alerts" were still a relatively new trend...one evening I was on my own computer at home surfing, I was reading the main "united auto workers" website...and one of the original old rogues jumped up on my screen..."Personal Anti Virus". Anyone remember that one, "PAV"? I was using Firefox back then. Luckily I recognized it..and my cat like fast reflexes rushed right to task mangler so I could kill it..and after cleaning hundreds of the infections I knew right where to go to clear out what it put on my system.

"Sandbox" feature is one of the reasons I switched to Chrome as my daily browser (since Chrome has a sandbox feature built into it). I've still stumbled across a rogue that tries to jump up and get into my system...I just shut down Chrome, launch it again..all is gone, all is clear.
 
Antivirus 2012 was actually a clever one (or the varient was that I recently saw), infected tcp stack etc. Could easily be a different version though to the one I saw.
 
Antivirus 2012 was actually a clever one (or the varient was that I recently saw), infected tcp stack etc. Could easily be a different version though to the one I saw.

Agreed...they evolve with new variants constantly...daily...hourly....the infection that someone got..say an hour ago, compared to the infection someone gets..right this minute...probably a new variant.

Also the level in which they infect your system depends on many other things on your system. Certain installed Microsoft updates may prevent it from doing more damage on your system than someone elses that may be more outdated with updates. Same with the web players.
 
I was watching an NFL game that was linked from FirstRowSports.eu
I simply clicked to view the game and I think one of the advertisements may have been infected. I got some Antivirus 2012 trojan fake alert virus. Security Essentials didn't catch it. That's for sure. This is making me question Security Essentials. What do you all think? Is Security Essentials just as good as all of the others. 95% effective?

Who says it's 95% effective?

http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/test-reports/julaug-2011/

...still at least it does better then Webroot :rolleyes:
 
No big surprise.. according to AV-comparatives MSE ranks 11th place.. right in between Norton and McAfee; Total Detection Rates.

Me shakes head when people praise MSE, it really is NOT good. The proof is in the pudding, and I have to fix MSE pudding for clients ALL THE TIME.
 
No big surprise.. according to AV-comparatives MSE ranks 11th place.. right in between Norton and McAfee; Total Detection Rates.

Me shakes head when people praise MSE, it really is NOT good. The proof is in the pudding, and I have to fix MSE pudding for clients ALL THE TIME.

Me shakes me head when I see AV-Comparatives mid-read...or mis-understood.

Now..looking at their most important test..the "Dynamics" test...and seeing you say "right in between Norton and McAfee"...well...if you've read the Dynamics 2011 test..you'd see that Symantec came in first..detection rate of 99.5%. And McAfee came in 12th...detection rate of 96.7%. So that leaves between 2nd and 11th place open. But they didn't bundle Microsoft in on this recent batch.

The most recent test which they did that included MSE was the "Removal" test...and Microsoft came with two stars.." * * " ..doing better than AVG, Avast, G-Data, Eset, McAfee, Panda, Sophos..and a few others. It was only bested by Symantec, Kaspersky, PC Tools, and BitDefender. It was tied with AntiVir, Webroot, and Trend.

I'm actually struggling looking around the AV-Comparatives site to find where MSE comes in with bad testing results..between Symantec and McAfee.
 
The link I posted shows it scoring 2.5 (as opposed to 6.0 for the top ones) in Protection, scoring only 68% in Protection against 0-day malware attacks, inclusive of web and e-mail threats (Real-World Testing).

Where is the confusion there?

Also here: http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/RAP/RAP-quadrant-Apr-Oct11-850.jpg - in Proactive Detection it's scoring lower than just about all the other main players.

At AV Comparatives, I don't think their overall score is the best measure of protection since it includes performance parameters like speed of scans etc. But if you look at http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_retro_nov2011.pdf where they try to test for detection of new malware (which is where most of the problems lie) it's in the bottom 3 and only scores 2 stars. Here: http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_aug2011.pdf look at the graph of samples missed - again it's in the bottom 3.

I just don't get the loyalty for this product. Sure different labs test in different ways and some of the tests are pretty pointless (like testing the detection rate of 1000's of old viruses that aren't even doing the rounds any more) but the meta-view of the tests, and especially the zero-day and proactive protection tests, MSE doesn't do particularly well. So other than the fact that it's free, light and quiet I cannot see what's so great about it. It's an OK free product but not as good as the best paid products.
 
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Me shakes me head when I see AV-Comparatives mid-read...or mis-understood.

Now..looking at their most important test..the "Dynamics" test...and seeing you say "right in between Norton and McAfee"...well...if you've read the Dynamics 2011 test..you'd see that Symantec came in first..detection rate of 99.5%. And McAfee came in 12th...detection rate of 96.7%. So that leaves between 2nd and 11th place open. But they didn't bundle Microsoft in on this recent batch.

The most recent test which they did that included MSE was the "Removal" test...and Microsoft came with two stars.." * * " ..doing better than AVG, Avast, G-Data, Eset, McAfee, Panda, Sophos..and a few others. It was only bested by Symantec, Kaspersky, PC Tools, and BitDefender. It was tied with AntiVir, Webroot, and Trend.

I'm actually struggling looking around the AV-Comparatives site to find where MSE comes in with bad testing results..between Symantec and McAfee.

I took my data from the February 2011 "On-Demand Comparative", page 9. http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_feb2011.pdf

Yes, it is a bit outdated, but that is what I had laying on my desk.

Looking at the newest August "On-Demand Comparative", page 9...
MSE number 13th @ 92.3% detection rate, almost at the bottom, and worse than McAfee and Norton.

As for the "Dynamics Test" being "The Most Important", I would have to disagree. The Dynamics test does not test "Detection Rates" per say, it tests the effectiveness of the AV product essentially during web browsing (URL blocking and such). Testing is also performed as such... by visiting malicious domains. This is but ONE attack vector, and is in no way a comprehensive test. The test also does not provide "Detection Rates" but rather, "Protection Rates". The reason MSE isn't included in these tests is because MSE doesn't provide ANY additional protection beyond the heuristics and known-nasty lists. Therefor, it can't be tested!

http://www.av-comparatives.org/en/comparativesreviews/dynamic-tests
In this test all features of the product contribute protection, not only one part (like signatures/ heuristic file scanning). So the ability of detection/protection should be higher than in testing only parts of the product. We would recommend that all parts of a product would provide high protection, not only single components (e.g. URL blocking protects only while browsing the web, but not against malware introduced by other means or already present on the system).


So, basically what you can take away from looking at the "On Demand Tests" and the "Whole Product Dynamic Tests" is that yes, Norton does a good job of blocking you from visiting malicious sites, but if you do slip into a malicious site that isn't on their list, or open an infected email, etc, you are probably going to get infected because of Norton's #12 place, or 95.1% detection rate.

Further, it is said in the "On Demand Detection of Malicious Software" test, page 8..
http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_aug2011.pdf

A good detection rate is still one of the most important, deterministic and reliable features of an Anti-Virus product.

I didn't see any such quote or claim that the "Dynamic Test" was "one of the most important", only that it was their "NEWEST" released test.


Now, as far as the "Removal" test you quoted as MSE doing good, and others doing worse... well, ok... what does that mean? It means that MSE can take out and fix malware better than some others, but MSE doesn't work very well at preventing infection in the first place. To me, it is more important to NOT get the infection in the first place, rather than "fixing" what got broken because your AV sucks. MSE 92.3% detection rate... period. http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_aug2011.pdf page 9.
 
It's good to see you mention you got bit by viewing legit sites.
FirstRowSports.eu as "legit" as thePirateBay.
I am beginning to think that the feed was streaming via VLC media player because I found a 225GB VLC Media Player crash dump file. VLC Media player is a freeware. I think hackers have found a vulnerability in it.
VLC-crash-dump.jpg
 
Were you using the latest version of VLC, Flash, Java & Acrobat Reader? I've seen just about every AV program out there both free & paid get exploited by these rogue AVs so I don't have a lot of confidence in any AV software.

Even Malwarebytes missed a rogue AV infection on 2 of the last 3 computers I've worked on.
 
I personally use chrome and sandboxie together and haven't had any issues.

I've installed sandboxie on quite a few clients computers.

I've had 3 callups on rogue viruses with sandboxie, and with each one I told them to close out and reset the computer.

I remoted into the computer and ran ccleaner real quick and made sure sandboxie files were deleted and that took care of it.

2 out of the 3 still got me some revenue because I asked them if they would like the latest updates etc.

So I updated sandboxie to latest version and downloaded the latest java, flash, reader, shockwave, etc. Checked windows security updates etc.
 
This sandboxie looks interesting! Kind of like a virtual machine I guess? I just downloaded it and it appears to have moved Firefox with it.
So what happens when a virus like Win 7 Antivirus 2012 gets past? How do you remove it?

How do you get Flash and other programs to run within Sandboxie?
 
I used to use sandboxie a fair bit and believe any java/flash calls, since they are initiated by firefox/sandboxed application, should also be sandboxed. I think you can see from the interface whether they are or not anyway.

I stopped using it after I had some viruses get past it. Noscript with firefox keeps me safe without a false feeling of invulnerability.
 
I have noticed recently that Microsoft security essentials is missing a lot of things. I have actually gone back to using Avira. Just yesterday I had a customer computer come in that was absolutely infested. It had a fake antivirus installed and 11 Trojans. I had set up Microsoft security essentials on this particular system about a month ago.
 
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