HP hard drive self test

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Instead of relying upon Google to run your business, have you thought about undertaking a recognised computer maintenance qualification?

Sorry if you feel castigated, but from what I read of your posts I think you will struggle to establish yourself as a credible tech until you can feel confident in yourself as to your skills and abilities. Formal learning along with industry experience is really the only way you can become truly competent enough to run your own business. If you feel you need constant mentoring and the somewhat dubious assistance of Google all the time then you're simply not ready for self-employment yet.

Keep at it, you're enthusiastic and at least you're not afraid to ask questions, but don't expect the road to running your own business to be easy and without effort on your part.

Thank you for the positive feedback, i don't use google to run my business, i can troubleshoot and sort the problem out my self without google, yes i am still learning but we are all learning, you don't stop learning in this trade. i am cofident in my skills just unsure sometimes. like the hard drive i had already come to the conculsion that it was failing. i am looking into training. and again thank you.
 
This has nothing to do with you asking a question and upsetting people, or using Google rather than the forums.

The issue's with this are:

1. You ask a question , get the same answer multiple times and proceed to ignore it - than why did you even ask?

2. It tastes like chicken, smells like chicken, looks like chicken, it must be a fish? The hard drive had more than obvious signs that it was on its way out and should be taken to a recovery center, instead you insist that it seemed to be ok.

This really was an "open and closed" type of situation, there really wasn't anything tricky about it. If you are going to ask for advice, at least listen to some of it. I would also recommend getting into some classes. Best of luck.
 
Ok, this might be long winded and rambling and only semi-coherent. Sorry.


Computergeek1: Don't leave the forums, we really are here to help. The reason you're taking so much heat from people in this thread is because you asked a very basic question and then seemed to ignore the answer. You got a perfectly good answer in the second post.

You said that the point of the thread was to ask how reliable the HP test is. In the second, third, and fourth posts in the thread you were told "take it as gospel" "it should be obvious" and "kaput". So, you got your answer there right away.

The problem I (and the others) have with the rest of the thread is this: You had all of the evidence to support a failing drive, you mentioned reinstalling the OS to see if it was the drive (I'll come back to this later), and then said that "it seems fine now". If you're in the business, and know much of anything, honestly...there is almost nothing interesting about a failing hard drive. The fact that you were screwing around with it, and not running a backup and then a hardware diagnostic first means you don't really have any real diagnostic process....

I'm not trying to beat you up any further, but based on this thread, I think you need a lot more knowledge before you should be out on your own. Just because you're pretty good with computers and know how to run antivirus/spyware removal tools, or know how to install software, or whatever doesn't qualify you to be a tech. I know that there are different paths to becoming a good tech, but you should be a good tech before running your own business, in my opinion.... You should have an understanding of hardware diagnostics to run on each system, especially based on certain symptoms....

Every time someone asks a question like this, they defend themselves with "i am still learning" as if it's some unbeatable reason as to why you didn't know something that everyone else feels you NEED to already know. Personally, I think that excuse is B.S.
Yeah, we're all learning. If you're just learning about hard drive diagnostics, you should be a student, an apprentice tech, or working for someone else. If you're lacking that fundamental knowledge, what else don't you know?


My final couple of points are this: Maybe you already have too many clients to go work for someone else...maybe you're making a living being "a guy who knows computers pretty well".... While I don't agree with it (and would honestly tell you to go work for someone until you know more), I can by no means say don't do it. I only ask that you represent yourself truthfully to your clients and to us.
Don't be afraid to ask questions on technibble....even if we beat you up, we are here to help.
And...if you feel anything I've said in the post is too harsh, understand that I'm just telling you my opinion.
 
I know I'm the new guy on these forums but I just had to post in this thread. Computergeek1, you advertise "Scotts PC Services" but yet you don't know how to diagnose a failing Hard Drive? You don't seem to know what a SMART test is or what it indicates and you seem to have never ran any type of Hard Disk diagnostics tools at all.

At this point I would consider shutting down the business, taking a course, getting some certifications and then going back to working on other peoples computers.

Diagnosing a bad hard drive is a rudimentary skill that all technicians should be able to perform.

For the future if you wish to make sure whether the hard drive is bad or not do these things:

1) Run sector tests and SMART Tests such as the bundled HP test or something directly from the HDD manufacturer.
2) Make sure that the connection isn't the cause for problems.
3) DO NOT reload windows to fix a broken HDD. Get the data off of their as soon as possible and replace the thing.
 
Okay i will use google next time i need to found something out, and will stop posting, because i seem to be upsetting a few people. Thanks for the info

Just consider it "tough love". you are welcome to be here and are welcome to post. Learning isn't always easy and if your going to get beat up upon for rookie mistakes its better to get it here than in the real world from a customer. If you plan on ignoring alerts or warnings given by seasoned techs, its probably not a good idea posting in a scenario such as that. Just continue being a good sport about it and remember we do this to protect you, the customer, and the industry but not necessarily in that particular order.:)
 
right lets a few things straight i do now how to diagnose a failing hard drive i am not retarded, i have been fixing and repairing computers for 6-7 years, i have backed up the drive already. and my business will carry on regardless what people may think, all i will say is before you flame someone without knowing anything about then, then you not very professional. at the end of the day i am not here to take all **** i have had, it's stupid and has ****** me off and i don't want to be involved in a forum like this, consider this my last post.
 
right lets a few things straight i do now how to diagnose a failing hard drive i am not retarded, i have been fixing and repairing computers for 6-7 years, i have backed up the drive already. and my business will carry on regardless what people may think, all i will say is before you flame someone without knowing anything about then, then you not very professional. at the end of the day i am not here to take all **** i have had, it's stupid and has ****** me off and i don't want to be involved in a forum like this, consider this my last post.


Nobody called you retarded. I've read and re-read this thread, and I just can't understand how what anyone told you is so offensive. You're right, we don't know anything about you or how you do diagnostics, other than what you tell us. What you told us, to me, sounds like you don't know what you're doing. That's my opinion, and it sounds like I'm not alone.

Anyway, if you want to storm off and be mad at us, feel free, I couldn't care less. If you want to become a better tech, occasionally take a few lumps when people think you're asking something novice, stick around. We do help each other.....if you notice, even if you did get beat up a little, you had every question answered thoroughly.
 
right lets a few things straight i do now how to diagnose a failing hard drive i am not retarded, i have been fixing and repairing computers for 6-7 years, i have backed up the drive already. and my business will carry on regardless what people may think, all i will say is before you flame someone without knowing anything about then, then you not very professional. at the end of the day i am not here to take all **** i have had, it's stupid and has ****** me off and i don't want to be involved in a forum like this, consider this my last post.

I do not really know you well, but let me just give you a quick thought. You are saying that people who are giving you advice are not very professional. For one thing if you are looking to have people take you seriously, why don't you begin with typing correctly?

"right lets a few things straight i do now how to diagnose a failing hard drive i am not retarded"

"all i will say is before you flame someone without knowing anything about then, then you not very professional. "

Reading this I would think you were just a kid....seriously. You are putting out a negative image of yourself. Secondly, you are taking everything so personally. If you step back for a moment, and read through this thread it really looks as if you have not an idea of what you are doing. Like previously stated, the problem and the solution were in the first 3 posts.

I can not/will not comment on your business or pass any judgment on you as that is not my style, but you really need to understand the reason why you keep getting "attacked".
 
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Computergeek1 don't run away. Every industry or trade has the critics, the "i don't want to get involved crowd" and some jerk who wants to make you feel incompetent to make you question yourself or your abilities.

In the computer world its seems worse. Flick it off your shoulder and stick around my friend.

Sometimes when you post I'm not sure what your asking. I choose not to answer. Would I trust the HP diagnostic. Yes.. Would I trust it more then the manufacturer of the HDD itself no. But i bet they do the test on the same set of standards.

The reason the HDD will work again because it may not have heated up. So for a minute it may work. There is a trick to get dying information from a HDD I don't recommend this on critical information (photos or critical business data). But you can throw it in a freezer inside of a sandwich bag. Put it back in your PC don't take off the bag or condensation will build up all over the drive. This can work if its a physical problem and you need to get a couple MP3s or just a serial from the OS. Ive heard off someone gluing a heatsink with thermal paste and epoxy mix so he could clone a drive? And it worked!!!!!!!!!

Goodluck.

A saying I live by... If I trusted all the advice I was ever given, I either would be a very rich man, or an ex-convict!!
 
Computergeek1 don't run away. Every industry or trade has the critics, the "i don't want to get involved crowd" and some jerk who wants to make you feel incompetent to make you question yourself or your abilities.

I can appreciate you are trying to empathize with him honda, but by alienating the rest of us as "some jerk(s) who wants to make you feel incompetent to make you question yourself or your abilities". With all do respect we're trying to bring these forums together as one as opposed to choosing sides.
 
AMT you accused me again of secretly mudslinging. Nobody said anything about anyone. I think your reading in to it. Everywhere you go someone is trying to manipulate the new guy or the young guy. Or tell him he is an idiot. Show me a baby boomer in the Construction Union and good luck trying to get along or impress that guy. To him everyone is stupid idiot who should be working at McDonalds.

We all want job security. I simply stated get used to people who would hate you. And don't let it affect him and his ability to move forward with his career path.
 
right lets a few things straight i do now how to diagnose a failing hard drive i am not retarded, i have been fixing and repairing computers for 6-7 years, i have backed up the drive already. and my business will carry on regardless what people may think, all i will say is before you flame someone without knowing anything about then, then you not very professional. at the end of the day i am not here to take all **** i have had, it's stupid and has ****** me off and i don't want to be involved in a forum like this, consider this my last post.

There is no need to be defensive. We're just trying to help you out based on what we can tell from your posts about your experience. It just seems weird that you don't heed what a SMART test will tell you and don't know how to verify if it is indeed correct.
 
from the quote in anony's post it seems as if hondablasters arrogance is still getting the better of him. to call acg a jerk takes a little chutzpa.

he joined recently and has managed to quarrel with quite a few of the older members.

I think bryce should take care of him, can someone please report his post.

Abe
 
from the quote in anony's post it seems as if hondablasters arrogance is still getting the better of him. to call acg a jerk takes a little chutzpa.

he joined recently and has managed to quarrel with quite a few of the older members.

I think bryce should take care of him, can someone please report his post.

Abe

Wow!!!!!!! Doesn't even know whats being said but still tries to provoke. This is out of control! I'm taking a break from this forum Abraham is annoying, and complains far more then enriches. This battle has become antiquated it will only end when people stop posting on the subject.

And what is a Chutzpa? Who says stuff like that?

I'm going to let you guys sort this forum drama out.

Homework, Beer and girls are calling!!!!!!!! :)
 
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from the quote in anony's post it seems as if hondablasters arrogance is still getting the better of him. to call acg a jerk takes a little chutzpa.

he joined recently and has managed to quarrel with quite a few of the older members.

I think bryce should take care of him, can someone please report his post.

Abe

I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible with this guy on at least a couple of occasions. It seems like he's trying to divide this into some sort of technibble turf war where its seasoned techs vs. rookie techs and that's the last thing these forums need in the unstable ground they are on now. Reported!
 
Will somebody please get out the LART. PLEASE...............
This is now fscking ridiculous. If this keeps up it will kill this community.
 
FIVE PAGES OF THIS CRAP? Seriously?

As everyone has mentioned google is a TOOL, so use it.

People need to type coherent sentences to COMMUNICATE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS, so learn to type, get a dictionary, firefox, whatever.

If you ask a simply question for reassurance then take the answers within the first page please.

As to "new" techs versus old, I'm new, don't currently have a business, and yet I'm not CONSTANTLY involved in debates on everything. If your opinions differ, great, state them professionally and move on. You will never convince anyone to change religions, their stance on abortion, if they like windows or macs, that they are an alcoholic, etc. You can give advice but you can't make them take it... kind of the old horse to water thing (unless you're Chuck Norris ;)

As to begging people to stay, I think we're all better then that. If they can't diagnosis a dying hard drive and then take advice like a man, good riddance. If they want to learn and ask a question now and then PROFESSIONALLY then so be it.
 
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