Did mHelpDesk's prices go up???

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I am a bit disappointed with some of the attitudes here. Most replys are completely valid (you got priced out), others are "witch hunting" and looking to harm a computer business who DARED to raise their prices so they can continue giving great support.
Amanda made a point of lack of communication on mHelpdesks part, you need to keep in mind that if you are already a paying customer, nothing changes, they don't need to tell existing customers the prices that only new customers have to pay. It doesn't effect them. If you are on trial, Vincent said that you get the pricing at the time of signing up if you contact him (lack of this being done automatically would be because of systems/software). Basically, all his existing customers are being looked after. MHelpDesk has always been above-par with his communication with us Technibblers, he is not just here because of his thread, click on his profile and look at his posts to prove it. Few companies will come to us and provide support at that level.

I'm not going to comment about the price as every business is at a different point in its life, but do look at the value, the money these products make and the money they save when making your decision.
 
I am a bit disappointed with some of the attitudes here. Most replys are completely valid (you got priced out), others are "witch hunting" and looking to harm a computer business who DARED to raise their prices so they can continue giving great support.
Amanda made a point of lack of communication on mHelpdesks part, you need to keep in mind that if you are already a paying customer, nothing changes, they don't need to tell existing customers the prices that only new customers have to pay. It doesn't effect them. If you are on trial, Vincent said that you get the pricing at the time of signing up if you contact him (lack of this being done automatically would be because of systems/software). Basically, all his existing customers are being looked after. MHelpDesk has always been above-par with his communication with us Technibblers, he is not just here because of his thread, click on his profile and look at his posts to prove it. Few companies will come to us and provide support at that level.

I'm not going to comment about the price as every business is at a different point in its life, but do look at the value, the money these products make and the money they save when making your decision.



I disagree with you on the communication. If I was an existing customer looking to upgrade, or if for some other reason I had ended up on their "plans" page and seen their new pricing model, I would freak. Even though it doesn't affect existing customers, existing customers can still see the new pricing and potentially overreact. There's also the word-of-mouth referrals from existing customers. If someone says "check out mHelpDesk! I'm only paying $xx.xx for features A, B, and C," it would cause confusion for the person being referred.

But like I said before, it's their business and they're free to run it as they see fit.

As for them daring to raise their prices... that's not the issue. Hell, I just raised my own prices. The issue was that I started my trial at one price, and was changed without warning to a price over 3x higher. That was the root of the entire issue. I know that mHelpDesk is an amazing software with even more amazing customer service... that's why I chose them. But what they did is the equivalent to me giving a customer an estimate for $100, then changing my prices a week later without bothering to tell that customer before they brought their computer in for service... AND THEN not honoring the estimate and instead charging them at my new rate. The way I see it, mHelpDesk's "trial period" is no different than my own estimate. The basic premise of both is: "Here's what you're getting, here's what it will cost you. Go over everything and if you like what you see, sign here please."


I'm sure it was not their intent to con us into paying more. Maybe it was a simple oversight... maybe it was an error in their billing system. Whatever it was, Vincent has since corrected it on my account well beyond my satisfaction. mHelpDesk has an excellent track record... that combined with my own experience with mHelpDesk is enough to for me to look past this one incident. I still plan to continue with mHelpDesk after my trial period is up, and would still recommend them to others as well... though I'll be sure to verify the current pricing before I do.


As for my attitude... Yeah, I probably overreacted. In my defense, I first searched the mHelpDesk forum, their blog, Google, and Technibble for any mention of a price increase. I then went to their "plans" page to look for the plan I originally selected, only to find it replaced by the new plans... the lowest which was 8x more than what I had signed up for. Before coming here, I submitted a ticket on mHelpDesk and waited a bit for a reply. When I did post here, I was honestly quite upset. I'd just spent a ridiculous amount of time getting myself accustomed to the software, customizing the forms and documentation, importing my existing information from Quickbooks, testing the new workflow process and features, and informing my customers of the new system. I had also started to completely re-create my inventory of services as the way I had them setup in QB didn't transfer over right to MHD. I was under the impression that all of my time and effort had been for nothing, as there is no way I could afford MHD at the new prices, and would be forced to either go back to Quickbooks or switch AGAIN to another system. I didn't post here to bash or discredit MHD, I posted here to get input from other techs and to try to get some answers... which in the beginning weren't coming. I've explained this all to Vincent in detail through my original support ticket on MHD and apologized for what he saw as "dragging him through the mud."

One thing I will say... based on the 7 pages of replies, I'm obviously not the only person who feels this way... I'm just possibly the most outspoken.
 
I see Vince saying that the software will offer what no other software offers at the moment, therefore justified price increase.
That's fine.
But the one man show who was grandfathered in now, will have to grow his prices at the same rate in the future.

CAN ANY ONE MAN SHOW RAISE HIS PRICES BY ALMOST 800%?

CAN ANY SMALL BUSINESS RAISE THEIR PRICES BY ALMOST 800%?

The answer is IF THEY WANT TO STAY IN BUSINESS THEY CAN'T

Equation is simple.
ANY SOFTWARE IS GOOD FOR YOU IF IT HELPS YOU GROW.
What I can see coming from this 800% price increase is anything BUT growth, because customers will be FORCED to start growing, and that is a recipe for disaster.
 
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@k007 How are we forcing our customers to grow at 800%? You also don't seem to know much about our pricing as 800% is far from the truth. The breakdown of or plans is actually $30 per user. Which is actually $9 less than our old Bronze plan. We are bundling more licenses with each plan.

Our Lite plan was intended to simply be an intro package to help new startups get in and grow. We introduced it based off feedback on technibble. If a business plans on staying Lite and never exceeding 200 clients, it's not practical for us to price our business around that. Our target customer can't be that market for obvious reasons. Again, we understand we can't be everyone's solution.
 
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I may have not got it exactly.
You do the brakedown per user while you sell per "bunch-of-users" for what I remember seeing on your website.
Starting up with 5 users that is where you can make a change.
The ones who cannot afford 5 users to start up with, will never buy.
Offering an alternative will bring the small ones on board unless of course they are not in your target area
 
I just don't understand why this turned so hostile.

I can understand that if it's not profitable, he can't afford to keep the plan.

It's a great service and if you can afford, wonderful!

If you can't, then either build yourself until you can or find another solution.

I'm sorry if that's harsh but not every soltion will fit every business, just like not everyone uses Windows.
 
I'm glad I locked in when I did. (14.25 a Month)
Waited a couple more days and I wouldn't have done It.
 
Caveat: I'm not a mHelpDesk customer, nor will I ever be (I rolled my own solution, 2 weeks of PHP and Database mashing as an initial opportunity cost and SQL backups regularly as a continued opportunity cost was much cheaper for me than paying any subscription fee).

This whole thing is a communications problem.

1.) Customers see the initial barrier to entry of being able to afford $150 a month as a non-starter. What will occur is they will either roll their own or go to a competitor as a one man show and when they do grow to the point where 5 technician license is a heck of a deal (it is...at that level though) they will have to consider the time and energy lost in jumping ship to mHelpDesk and most likely won't consider it.

2.) mHelpDesk is marketing this as a value, and it is, but only for certain people. 1 or 2 man shops are basically being told "Here have this huge amount of food...it's a deal..also it spoils in 30 minutes so you have to eat it now" then turn around and throws away the rest of the food. It's a waste. Telling one or 2 man shops how big of a value it is per-user doesn't matter if they don't have 5 users to gobble it all up.
 
Caveat: I'm not a mHelpDesk customer, nor will I ever be (I rolled my own solution, 2 weeks of PHP and Database mashing as an initial opportunity cost and SQL backups regularly as a continued opportunity cost was much cheaper for me than paying any subscription fee).

This whole thing is a communications problem.

1.) Customers see the initial barrier to entry of being able to afford $150 a month as a non-starter. What will occur is they will either roll their own or go to a competitor as a one man show and when they do grow to the point where 5 technician license is a heck of a deal (it is...at that level though) they will have to consider the time and energy lost in jumping ship to mHelpDesk and most likely won't consider it.

2.) mHelpDesk is marketing this as a value, and it is, but only for certain people. 1 or 2 man shops are basically being told "Here have this huge amount of food...it's a deal..also it spoils in 30 minutes so you have to eat it now" then turn around and throws away the rest of the food. It's a waste. Telling one or 2 man shops how big of a value it is per-user doesn't matter if they don't have 5 users to gobble it all up.

There are a few things that many have not considered.

1. We are not the only industry that uses their product, as such, many of the other industries that they are working with perhaps use every bit of their now basic package.

2. Most start-ups fail, which means that MH will likely spend tons of time on servicing small business that may never grow profitable for them or the business itself. This means that not only does this portion of their clientele offer a low profit margin, but they are high risk (meaning tons of money and time can be invested with little reward) and offer very little promise of financial stability in the future.

3. I may be wrong in this assumption, but I would assume that start-ups are probably high maintenance, which again means that the profit they generate is menial. In the least, they offer very little reward.

4. And I am sure that I am not wrong about this, but when it comes to anything tech related, techs are high maintenance as well. Why? Because we have extremely high expectations and pick apart anything that does not meet our expectations. Also, our industry constantly changes, which means so do our needs, which means that MH has to constantly change to meet those needs. Considering that there are probably many other industries using their product that do not require as much, but are willing to pay more due to the size of their business, then it only makes sense to weed us out if we cannot afford their software.

5. In many respects, we are in a dying industry or in the least, it is an industry that changes so much, that most start-ups or even successful businesses do not last long before they are replaced by other shops or techs. Again, this means no sustainable or predictable income.


These are assumptions of course, but my point is this. From a business perspective, it may not make any sense to service smaller businesses or start-ups any more, especially if they have enough bigger businesses to sustain them. It is the same reason why many of us techs are moving from break-fix to MSP or why we raise our prices to weed out cheap, troublesome and unprofitable customers. It is also not much different from a mobile tech or small shop who feels that servicing everyone for a small price is a good way to start a business, even if it is simply to get the experience they need to really start working with the Big Dogs. If you think about it, they have done a tremendous job of creating a great product with huge customer base and because of the size of the customer base, they are able to quickly work through many bugs, implement new features and expand their feature set altogether to meet more needs of their clients. Call the first few years of their business the beta phase if you like, but they now have a solid product and maybe they are stepping up their game, which means they will need more finances. They will also need more time and resources so that they can concentrate on servicing only those who make them the most profits. In the end, focusing only on these groups may very well make them more profitable, just like raising your prices makes you more profitable while doing less.

That said, maybe they will find that not offering a slightly smaller package at $100 to compete with other applications like RepairShopr was a mistake and they will have to add it. Either way, it is a business decision they have to make and trust me, from someone who has taken a lot of risks and experimented a lot with prices, you just never know until you do it. Some times it works, some times it does not and sometimes it completely blows up in your face. The fact is, you will never grow and become successful without making mistakes.

On a personal note, I can say that Vincent is a pretty stand up guy. He is young and perhaps this is his first business, which means his experience is limited. That said, he is doing a pretty good job considering. He has always kept his word, even if he has not always made the best decisions. He has always helped when feasible, even if that means helping a customer move on to another product that may better fit their needs. All in all, I may be moving on to another product myself because I feel that many of my needs have outgrown MH, but I do wish the best of luck for Vincent and his company.
 
What about us who purchased the technibble business kit with the mhelpdesk coupon can we still use that on the $25 a plan for those who signed up as trial before the price update?
 
I see Vince saying that the software will offer what no other software offers at the moment, therefore justified price increase.
That's fine.
But the one man show who was grandfathered in now, will have to grow his prices at the same rate in the future.

CAN ANY ONE MAN SHOW RAISE HIS PRICES BY ALMOST 800%?

CAN ANY SMALL BUSINESS RAISE THEIR PRICES BY ALMOST 800%?

The answer is IF THEY WANT TO STAY IN BUSINESS THEY CAN'T

Equation is simple.
ANY SOFTWARE IS GOOD FOR YOU IF IT HELPS YOU GROW.
What I can see coming from this 800% price increase is anything BUT growth, because customers will be FORCED to start growing, and that is a recipe for disaster.


According to the information I was given by Vincent, the one-man-show who was grandfathered in still has access to grow along with the original plans. That means, if you're a current customer on the "lite" plan... you can still upgrade to the basic plan later on by submitting a support ticket. You may also still have access to upgrade to the silver or gold plans as well, but I read somewhere that the new $150 plan is actually a better deal. Maybe Vincent could clarify that for us?


What about us who purchased the technibble business kit with the mhelpdesk coupon can we still use that on the $25 a plan for those who signed up as trial before the price update?


Here's what I just double checked... I signed up before the price increase and am still on a trial. Vincent fixed my account so that it's not showing the correct (lite) price of $19. When I enter the coupon code for ACRBO members, it still works and gives me 25% off. SO... I would assume that the Technibble Business Kit coupon still works as well. You can verify this by going to your Pricing & Upgrade page in mHelpDesk, entering your coupon code, and clicking "Apply." Also, if you get to this page and it's not showing the correct package (mine was showing the "silver" package before this was fixed), you can submit a support ticket on mHelpDesk and Vincent will take care of you.




As far as I can see guys, Vincent has more than taken care of everything, including the lack of communication. Existing customers will see no change... Trial customers will still be eligible for the original rates, but may need to submit a support ticket to do so, AND he's even created a special TN-Members-Only package for one-man-shops so that the little guy who hasn't already signed up can still take advantage of mHelpDesk. That part was honestly way more than I had expected. Also, he sent out an email blast informing everyone of the new pricing model (better late then never!)

Pretty sure he covered everything. I'm calling this issue resolved.
 
What are the upgrade prices for the special TN Single user license @ $25?
If we want to add another user later will the price jump to the $150 per month? :eek:

Also I see in my Trial payment page I can pay for a $19.95 Starter plan, what's the difference between this and the TN $25 plan?
The next plan up though, in my trial, is the $150 per month which is too much for us ATM.
 
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What are the upgrade prices for the special TN Single user license @ $25?
If we want to add another user later will the price jump to the $150 per month? :eek:

Also I see in my Trial payment page I can pay for a $19.95 Starter plan, what's the difference between this and the TN $25 plan?
The next plan up though, in my trial, is the $150 per month which is too much for us ATM.

I submitted a ticket to get the old plans reapplied to my trial account so not sure what starter or technibble plans are but google has a cache of the old pricing that hasn't been updated yet you can compare with linky
 
What are the upgrade prices for the special TN Single user license @ $25?
If we want to add another user later will the price jump to the $150 per month? :eek:

Also I see in my Trial payment page I can pay for a $19.95 Starter plan, what's the difference between this and the TN $25 plan?
The next plan up though, in my trial, is the $150 per month which is too much for us ATM.


If you are on the "lite" plan and want to upgrade to say, the "bronze" plan, you just need to submit a ticket and they'll be able to upgrade you manually. You won't be forced to jump from $19/mo to $150/mo... I've already been through all that with Vincent.


I submitted a ticket to get the old plans reapplied to my trial account so not sure what starter or technibble plans are but google has a cache of the old pricing that hasn't been updated yet you can compare with linky



If you're on the trial, the TN plan doesn't apply to you. That plan is a completely new one that is different from the original "lite" plan. It's specifically for the "little guys" who are TN members and who haven't yet signed up or started a trial, but can't afford to commit to $150 a month.



Those of us on still in the trial period have nothing to worry about. We may have to submit a ticket to get things corrected, but we'll still get the package we originally started the trial with, along with the ability to upgrade later on to the bronze, silver, or gold plans (by submitting a ticket).
 
For a one man band the new pricing is a little much. However there is great value here and the support is great. I have been a pain in th behind client for a few days yet support response time is extremley quick. I have tried other products and wait days for a crappy response.
 
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