defrag a waste of time?

[coffee]

Miss the memo's on how XP's new (at the time) defrag features such as how it now optimizes boot and prefetch nformation, and file placement of certain types of files on the outer parts of the platter?

But then again...as some of us that read the memo's on Win7 learned...the OS does it for your anyways. It's become one of those topics not worth biting your fingernails or losing sleep over.

Perhaps you should quit reading memos from MS and do some real life tests.

Really? Are you new to the field and unfamiliar with the WinXP days?

I have been working with computers since the days of punch cards. Dont get so worked up Wiz. All Im saying is that I disagree with you.

http://cibertek.net/2010/03/01/why-defragging-is-still-important-even-on-windows-7/

 

[jft135]

Auslogics Helps Quite a Bit

Based on my experience, defragging can make a huge difference even on newer PC's especially with boot time. I usually use Auslogics' defrag and optimize though, not just straight defrag. For most users though, once a month is sufficient. The ones I'm usually working on have been very badly neglected.

 

[NETWizz]

Perhaps you should quit reading memos from MS and do some real life tests.



I have been working with computers since the days of punch cards. Dont get so worked up Wiz. All Im saying is that I disagree with you.

http://cibertek.net/2010/03/01/why-defragging-is-still-important-even-on-windows-7/

Maybe you should start reading the Memos from Microsoft & also take a look at things like the Task Scheduler & Event Viewer before spouting off mis-information about how fragmentation causes blue screens, data corruption, and how it misses the schedule because people have their computers turned off that time of night.


If you want to Defrag computers... fine. It won't hurt and might help... especially on Windows XP, which doesn't automatically do it.


I would just make a script that sets this up if I were you... May as well set it and forget it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555098

 

[coffee]

Maybe you should start reading the Memos from Microsoft & also take a look at things like the Task Scheduler & Event Viewer before spouting off mis-information about how fragmentation causes blue screens, data corruption, and how it misses the schedule because people have their computers turned off that time of night.


If you want to Defrag computers... fine. It won't hurt and might help... especially on Windows XP, which doesn't automatically do it.


I would just make a script that sets this up if I were you... May as well set it and forget it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555098

Before we get to heated up here (which we shouldnt) lets just agree to disagree.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and all and business for you is good.

I think it would be a cool idea to approach some source and ask them to weigh in on the issue to settle this. This would be a great little project we could work on together. I think it would a benefit to others that read this thread and it would be more beneficial to them instead of some ranting and such that would not be very beneficial.

This source would have to be partial to the OS and be knowledgeable and someone/place that we could both agree on. Then we can formulate an email of the question at hand and submit it to them and see if we can get some response.

What do you think?

 

[NETWizz]

Before we get to heated up here (which we shouldnt) lets just agree to disagree.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and all and business for you is good.

I think it would be a cool idea to approach some source and ask them to weigh in on the issue to settle this. This would be a great little project we could work on together. I think it would a benefit to others that read this thread and it would be more beneficial to them instead of some ranting and such that would not be very beneficial.

This source would have to be partial to the OS and be knowledgeable and someone/place that we could both agree on. Then we can formulate an email of the question at hand and submit it to them and see if we can get some response.

What do you think?

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving too. Your proposal sounds reasonable, too.

 

[hondablaster]

We did a small internal study and found the defragging helps boot up times and application start times. Even if windows had an auto-defrag in the background. We did an Auslogics Defrag with deep optimize and found responsiveness improved greatly. (within a few percent) But found it was literally nothing when the same system was imaged onto a Corsair SSD. We began purchasing and cloning all disk at HQ to SSDs instead of buying new systems or purchasing an enterprise defrag solution.

But yes Defraging is still necessary in an industry where users moved around up to 10,000 *.tif images weekly and always there was improvement even is the OS had its own background defrag and we used a third party tool to defrag.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: Everything was done with a control group and fairly organized, stop watches and pie graphs etc. LOL My company was cheap and wanted the best cost vs performance ratio.

 

[RegEdit]

defrag a waste of time?

When recovering data off of a drive with a busted MFT the chances of getting all of the files increases if the drive is less fragmented.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

I have been working with computers since the days of punch cards. Dont get so worked up Wiz. All Im saying is that I disagree with you.

I too remember those from my days of Fortran77 and Watfive!

 

[techi]

For me I believe that defrag is not a waste of time for it helps me well. I use this only once a month and it surely save some space.

 

[Cambridge PC Support]

For me I believe that defrag is not a waste of time for it helps me well. I use this only once a month and it surely save some space.

I'm pretty sure you don't gain any extra space from defragging.

 

[Jeffk]

I'm pretty sure you don't gain any extra space from defragging.

Theoretically, you definitely should free up some space....why do think not? Whether there's a speed gain is another question...

Yep, after reading all the posts on this thread I started, & reading around some more I've decided I do think it's worth defragging!

 

[Cambridge PC Support]

Theoretically, you definitely should free up some space....why do think not?

It doesn't remove any files or data, so I don't see where the extra space is being magicked from.

It does, however, give you bigger chunks of free space.

This is not something that I know as a fact though and I have no proof for my statements and I'm happy to be proven wrong!

 

[MarkIT]

To Defrag or not to defrag

Reading this thread has been quite musing . It's a case of 'to be or not to be, that is the question' as someone once said.

Think of it like a file cabinet. With constant use files can get muddled, out-of-place, etc and there comes a day when it need to be put in order, because finding the right file may be put in another location. Reason; it's more efficient!

No matter how small the time saved is, it's still time saved.

And preserves the life of the PC/laptop. Keep her well oiled and she'll outlast you!

I defrag and I'm a PC!

 

[coffee]

Hello Everyone,

Sorry I have not been able to comment much further in this thread as I had planned too. I have been quite busy with things and really havent been able to even hit these forums either!

Ill get back into the swing of things in a bit as I clean up some personal and business stuff.

Thanks,

 

[pcrepairtech]

Defrag definatly makes a diffrence

 

[sys-eng]

someone told me today that there's no point defragging modern HDDs as they're so fast anyway that it doesn't make any difference to the access times.

I'm not sure about this, myself............any thoughts on this anyone?

"Someone" is an idiot. Disk storage is still the slowest part of the system; therefore, any performance gain here will be noticed. I have seen systems just crawling because of fragmentation. Windows 7 defrags by default so those systems rarely have a problem with fragmentation.