Cryptocurrencies

What cryptocurrencies do you use/own?

  • Bitcoin (XBT)

    Votes: 30 27.8%
  • Ether (ETH)

    Votes: 16 14.8%
  • Litecoin (LTC)

    Votes: 15 13.9%
  • Peercoin (PPC)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dash (DASH)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Dogecoin (XDG)

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Blackcoin (BLK)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zcash (ZEC)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 14 13.0%
  • None

    Votes: 69 63.9%

  • Total voters
    108
People are welcome to destroy their lives everyday, so long as it's not with Crypto. Let us not pretend the card issuers care about destroyed lives due to bad decisions.... that's what they are in existence for, for the people that can't pay, that's where the money is. People that can pay, and do so on time(usually at 0%), issuers actually lose money.
The banks could care less about the destroyed lives. They destroy lives on a regular basis with the credit they issue. Their concern is simply the risk of the return. AGAIN IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY. The bank loans it to you and they expect to get it back with interest. Most people pay and few don't but that ratio is factored into their operations. Not everyone gets approved for credit cards. The banks are not willing to fund cryptocurrencies because they rightly see that as too great a risk far too many will get in trouble and not be able to pay. Far higher than the amounts that they have factored in years ago.
 
Interesting article on the inherent scale-ability problems with Bitcoin and the current state to resolve it -

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/bitcoins-lightning-network-a-deep-dive/
I think technologies like lightning are certainly the way forward. Simply increasing the block size, such as the BCH fork did, is just not scalable. BCH's 'fix' is a band-aid solution. It would be necessary to further increase the block size later to achieve the TPS necessary for wide-scale adoption. And in doing so creates another problem; the blockchain becomes unwieldy large, which would likely result in fewer full nodes and much longer syncing times.

Trinity for NEO uses a similar off-chain principle to lightning, which was recently demonstrated at the blockchain devcon. You can see it demonstrated on one of 'Suppoman's' videos here (forward to 3mins to skip to the demonstration).
 
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The banks could care less about the destroyed lives. They destroy lives on a regular basis with the credit they issue. Their concern is simply the risk of the return. AGAIN IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY. The bank loans it to you and they expect to get it back with interest. Most people pay and few don't but that ratio is factored into their operations. Not everyone gets approved for credit cards. The banks are not willing to fund cryptocurrencies because they rightly see that as too great a risk far too many will get in trouble and not be able to pay. Far higher than the amounts that they have factored in years ago.
I think you're missing the bigger picture here ...

As far as credit cards go, yes you could argue that the banks have the right to choose how you can spend the money they loaned you, even though a credit card is pre-approved credit (ie you're not asking approval of a loan for the purpose of investing in cryptocurrencies) which means the banks are effectively monitoring/snooping on the purchases after the credit and repayment terms have already been agreed.

However, this behaviour by the banks extends much further than credit cards. This news of credit card restrictions is just their latest show of defiance. There have been countless occurrences worldwide of banks attempting to stem the cryptocurrency tide by preventing people from funding cryptocurrency investments and developments using their bank balances too:



https://www.ccn.com/banks-still-closing-accounts-bitcoin-activity/

https://www.financemagnates.com/cry...ryptocurrency-transactions-freezing-accounts/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...down-my-bank-account-after-Bitcoin-trade.html

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...n-exchanges-in-india/articleshow/62576882.cms
 
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The problem, of course, is that we both are correct.

1. You yourself have said that the so-called purpose of crypto is to bypass the banks. That being said do you really expect them to assist you in doing that? If one of your clients took a quote from you and purchased directly from your hardware vendors instead of you would you not fire them?

2. Most of those articles mention criminal activity as the reason for dropping the accounts. I know you think that it is a lame excuse but you also know that many people launder money with crypto. Hello, ransomware! Banks by law have to take some actions against such accounts and no they are not going to tell you that the FBI and Secret Service are tracing your accounts.

3. My point about banks not wanting to risk credit on items of extreme risk has already been discussed. And I am going to flat call that Stockpile article as BS.
 
1. You yourself have said that the so-called purpose of crypto is to bypass the banks. That being said do you really expect them to assist you in doing that? If one of your clients took a quote from you and purchased directly from your hardware vendors instead of you would you not fire them?
Absolutely. I think we fully expected banks to attempt to hinder and discredit cryptocurrencies in any way they could. It's just amusing to see it play out, especially since their actions help to further demonstrate how we've lost control of our money, purchasing choices and (more importantly) privacy to the banks. But the more they try to stop the approaching tsunami, the bigger they're making it.

And I think a more accurate analogy of what the banks are doing would be if you or I were to attempt to prevent our clients from using a competitor by blocking their access to the competitor's website and phone number, then attempting to convince our clients that the competitor is a crook (even though we know little about him accept that he is cheaper and does a much better job).


2. Most of those articles mention criminal activity as the reason for dropping the accounts. I know you think that it is a lame excuse but you also know that many people launder money with crypto. Hello, ransomware! Banks by law have to take some actions against such accounts and no they are not going to tell you that the FBI and Secret Service are tracing your accounts.

Money laundering is an interesting term. In its most basic definition it's simply a tax avoidance technique; a way of hiding the origin of income. Governments like to use the term money laundering because it allows them to tar everyone with the same brush who dare to fail to pay all of their due taxes, from the man who does a few 'cash jobs' to make a bit of extra income, to criminals, drug dealers and (not forgetting) terrorists. The reality is that where's there's money there will be crime and tax avoidance/evasion. And, as far as Bitcoin is concerned at least, it's much less anonymous than cash, precious metals or gemstones. Dollars and other fiat currencies are far better suited to money laundering and are used on a scale several orders of magnitude greater than any cryptocurrency. And the biggest money launders in the world of course are the banks themselves (except they can do it legally because they have a 'licence to launder').

Personally I think the way forward is a tax system based purely on purchases, especially luxury items. Income tax should be abolished. Your wealth and what you earn should be private information, not shared with the banks, government (and anyone who wishes to see it when those institutions ultimately allow that information to become compromised). Taxing income is archaic, and the heavy-handed tactics used by governments to enforce/collect it is little removed from those employed by rulers in the dark ages. While it's probably unlikely you'll be hung, drawn and quartered for tax evasion these days (except maybe in some parts of the middle east?), in most countries it's the only debt you can still be imprisoned for failing to pay. We have come to accept that as normal because our governments have convinced us that tax evasion is a heinous crime. Don't get me wrong, taxation is an essential part of our civilised society but it should be primarily collected through purchases, with greater tax on luxury items. The more you spend, the more you pay. Simple taxation without compromising privacy.
 
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6am:

1 Bitcoin equals 7611.01 US Dollar

12pm update:

1 Bitcoin equals 7322.02 US Dollar

4pm update:

1 Bitcoin equals 7029.99 US Dollar
6pm update:

1 Bitcoin equals 6688.18 US Dollar
 
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Again, I'm surprised if this much money is leaving. I think it is all just being moved into FIAT accounts. Yeah, a lot is likely actually leaving, but the idea that people are able to get 50bln every few days out of crypto, is super unlikely. I think we're seeing a lot of moving into a HODL-FIAT mode, waiting for it to appear to be bottom, then move back in. We've seen RAPID price swings up, which to me makes it sounds like the money is still there and ready to knee-jerk at the bottom.
 
Pretty good breakdown of Bitcoin and crypto right now (video made when BC was 11000):
 
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Prices and profitability will be back up once the present FUD dust settles.

Unless you're mining to pay immediate bills, you have to look at what you're earning in BTC (or whatever you're mining), not what it's presently worth in dollars. Only the noob investors/miners bail out when prices plummet. Those who have been doing this for a while know better than to sell or stop mining when there's a dip; in fact it's usually the best time to stock up on coins and mining equipment. If GPU card prices fall as a result of this dip, I'll be buying lots more, and I'm sure I won't be the only one. When I first started mining, nearly 2 years ago, it was probably less profitable then than it is right now (or so it seemed at the time). However, as BTC is (still) worth more than 10 times what it was back then, retrospectively it was actually VERY profitable.
 
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Prices and profitability will be back up once the present FUD dust settles.

Unless you're mining to pay immediate bills, you have to look at what you're earning in BTC (or whatever you're mining), not what it's presently worth in dollars. Only the noob investors/miners bail out when prices plummet. Those who have been doing this for a while know better than to sell or stop mining when there's a dip; in fact it's usually the best time to stock up on coins and mining equipment. If GPU card prices fall as a result of this dip, I'll be buying lots more, and I'm sure I won't be the only one. When I first started mining, nearly 2 years ago, it was probably less profitable then than it is right now (or so it seemed at the time). However, as BTC is (still) worth more than 10 times what it was back then, retrospectively it was actually VERY profitable.
This would be the time to be using any mining rig rental system (or things like NiceHash). There seems to be a premium on selling rig power right now; A lot of people know price will come up, so they're using the dip to get more coins, and seems to be overpaying just to get it in while cheaper, before rebound.
 
I was thinking the same. I'm going put my ASICs back on miningrigrentals for a while, see if they can earn a little more. Not that it matters to me right now if they don't -- it's freezing temperatures outside right now and they're heating the house nicely, effectively costing me nothing to run -- but it would be nice to earn a little more BTC while I can.

I think this article makes some interesting observations and points about the current situation ...
Bitcoin’s Correction Could Well Have Shaken Out Potentially Damaging Investors
Link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitc...ave-shaken-out-potentially-damaging-investors
 
I was thinking the same. I'm going put my ASICs back on miningrigrentals for a while, see if they can earn a little more. Not that it matters to me right now if they don't -- it's freezing temperatures outside right now and they're heating the house nicely, effectively costing me nothing to run -- but it would be nice to earn a little more BTC while I can.

I think this article makes some interesting observations and points about the current situation ...
Bitcoin’s Correction Could Well Have Shaken Out Potentially Damaging Investors
Link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitc...ave-shaken-out-potentially-damaging-investors
And hopefully keeps them out. :)
 
This would be the time to be using any mining rig rental system (or things like NiceHash). There seems to be a premium on selling rig power right now; A lot of people know price will come up, so they're using the dip to get more coins, and seems to be overpaying just to get it in while cheaper, before rebound.
Looks like you were right. I put 5 of my rigs up for rental just after you posted this (2 x L3+, 1x D3 and 2 x S9, including one which was previously unrated/unrented). It often takes a day or more for a rental to start, instead 4 of them were rented out in less than 2 mins, with the 5th (D3) rented out about 10 mins later.
 
Only the noob investors/miners bail out when prices plummet. Those who have been doing this for a while know better than to sell or stop mining when there's a dip.

This is one hell of a "dip".

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BTC is just under 7K right now.... one year ago it was barely over 1K.

Which of your other "investments" have gone up 7X in the last 12 months?

I'm not in the crypto world yet, but will be soon. I think the bottom of this pull back is close but not there yet. Too many people in this game thrive on hype. Throwing cash in like crazy when the value goes up, and selling the farm once it starts to slide backwards. Don't be fooled for one second thinking there isn't big money out there that knows this, and is willing to play the game to take your lunch from you. It's easy. They "sell" a bunch of BTC causing the price to drop and stir up all the chicken little's out there. Then when it bottoms out, they buy back in for a fraction of what they sold at and roll into the next cycle of taking suckers money.

I have my eyes on a few coins, going to start with some small investments. Not going to play with more than I can afford, or want, to lose... but long term it could be a real nice boost to my retirement portfolio.
 
This is one hell of a "dip".

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I'm not saying don't be smart about Crypto, but this is kinda Bitcoin's M.O.

When the price hops up on these parabolas, you can expect an almost 90%-100% retracement Jan '17 looks like a mirror image, Jun of '16, same. Everyone who got in late sees this as a huge dip, everyone that's been in for a while is still reminding themselves that this time last year we were still under $1K.

We're going to be testing major resistance loosely between $4-5K - then, if history repeats, we'll be rocketing to the moon vis a vis December.

Watch me be wrong just cause I said something, lol!
 
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