Bernie Sanders is only candidate that opposes CISA

Omnipotent means that God is omnipresent, and all powerful. Could God snap his fingers and the world be right? Sure. I believe however that God is ever changing ever moving forward. God is ultimate definition of free. He created us in His own image, which means we have a free will. It is your free will to believe or not.

Read about the story of Lee Stoneking. This man is a Pentecostal preacher, and was actually raised from the dead.

http://www.leestoneking.com/My Miracle.htm

I have seen the man in person, and my uncle who pastors actually traveled and evangelised with him for a few years.

He actually told the story to the UN recently.


There is another man by the name of Jeff Arnold who died after preaching. I have seen this man in person also.


Think what you will. But God gives us all free will. Because we all have sinned and sin entered the world through Adam and Eve these things happened. But does not mean one has to stay that way.
 
@phaZed - first, most of you scriptures are from the Old Testament and therefore no longer apply. I am not Jewish:

Romans 7:6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

You had a specific question about the New Testament?

And as far as your last paragraph, you sound like you are angry at God, and somehow feel you are qualified to judge him and/or tell him how he should be running things. You might want to try seeking him for answers to your questions. But if you choose to not believe, that is your choice. It also takes quite a bit of faith to believe all of creation just happened all on it's own and now here were are today.
 
You had a specific question about the New Testament?
No, not really, I have read the Bible(s) many times over. Which ones are part of the Old Testament? So your going to start following the ones that are in the New Testament then?

And as far as your last paragraph, you sound like you are angry at God, and somehow feel you are qualified to judge him and/or tell him how he should be running things. You might want to try seeking him for answers to your questions. But if you choose to not believe, that is your choice.
Don't mistake logical deduction for anger. Which contradiction are you to believe? What makes you "right" for choosing one side of the contradiction or the other? Why are Jews wrong or Muslims or Hindus? They have books too. Why do you not believe in Mithra and Mithraism or the Egyptian Book of the Dead and Horus? Why not Buddha or Krishna? All of these predate Christianity by 1000's of years in some cases yet contain the story of "Jesus" almost perfectly. How do you reconcile that Christianity and the story of Jesus is found in more than 20 religions that predate your religion? Why is Christianity correct, yet the others are incorrect?

It also takes quite a bit of faith to believe all of creation just happened all on it's own and now here were are today.
No, it does not. There is evidence of our existence today and I think it's fairly evident that "creation" happened. I don't need "faith" because rational people don't know how the beginning started, nor do they claim to know. You need faith because you claim to know the origin of everything without any evidence.

I believe however that God is ever changing ever moving forward. God is ultimate definition of free. He created us in His own image, which means we have a free will.
Does it not imply in the Bible that God is never-changing? If not, why would God need to change? Doesn't the Bible refer to God as the one "steady" thing, the pillar of existence? Wouldn't God's need to change imply that "he" is NOT a perfect being? Alas, God would not need to change at all if he were perfect from the start, correct? If God changed because he "wanted to", to what end would he do so seeing as he is all knowing and already knows the outcomes of said changes?
How does God move forward? If God is omnipotent, there is no forward or back or present. God would exists in all times concurrently, correct? So how does God "move forward"? If God does "move forward", not in respect to time but rather to respect of "issues" or misgivings, would that not imply that God was short-sighted? Should he have not seen the "problem" he needs to move forward from, before the problem arose? If God is the ultimate definition of free, why does he have so many rules and regulations? How do more rules and regulations make you more free?
If God created us in his own image, why do we have so many defects as a species? Does God get Cancer, broken bones or suffer from old age and death? If not, how do you explain that our image is not the same as that of God's? Would that not imply that God gave us defects? If so, would that not mean that we are not of God's image?

Please define "Free Will" as you understand it.
 
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Why would you call that article balanced. I have known or known of many doctors that have become believers from things they have witnessed in the emergency room. Do you deny that?

I'd call that article balanced because it's based on the idea that, if an extraordinary claim of "supernatural" or "miraculous" nature is to be believed then it must be provable and the burden of proof must be upon the person or persons claiming to have witnessed or experienced it and the evidence must be itself extraordinary and unimpeachable. The litmus test for me and for many like me is the regrowth of a limb. I mean, you just can't fake that. The placebo effect won't do it either nor have there ever been any instances of the spontaneous re-growth of limbs. How come god doesn't ever perform unequivocal miracles? Hmm?

As for doctors, I don't care what they come to believe or how - they're just as fallible and gullible as everyone else. (Ben Carson, anybody?) Until I see scientifically verified proof I will not believe any claims about extraordinary events in emergency rooms or anywhere else. Again, where's the extraordinary proof? Do I deny it? Not deny so much as disbelieve, disdain and decry such claims.

My world view is quite simple, really. It it's tangible, then I've no argument with it. If it's theoretical, in the scientific sense, I've no argument with it. If it's hypothetical, so long as it's clearly labelled as such, I've no problem with it. I find anything remotely "supernatural" extremely unlikely to be in any way true. I have never witnessed any evidence of such, despite many stories. I find the idea that an adult human can fervently believe what are no more than myths bewildering at best and frightening, at worst. I mean what's happened to their ability to think critically e.g.
NON-BELIEVER: Well then, if the universe couldn't just come from no-where, how did God come to exist.
BELIEVER: God has always been and ever will be
NB: So you're saying that God "just is"? A conscious, omniscient, omnipresent being just "IS".
B: Yes
NB: In your mind, which is more complex, God or the universe?
B: God of course!
NB: So, by your logic, the most complex "thing" in your argument can "just be" with no beginning and no end but the less complex thing can't? How does that make any logical sense?

I was 4 years old when I figured out that this whole god thing was a crock of 5h1t but an educated adult with a Mensa level IQ can't?

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So your going to start following the ones that are in the New Testament then?
I try my best but very frequently fall short. Jesus was the one that measured up so I don't have to.

Why is Christianity correct, yet the others are incorrect?
Their "Jesus's" are all dead. They did not walk on water and there is only one that rose from the dead. That is why the other religions originated in year so and so B.C. And why is this 2015? 2015 from what? It must be pretty significant that we measure time when Jesus was born.
 
I was 4 years old when I figured out that this whole god thing was a crock of 5h1t but an educated adult with a Mensa level IQ can't?
Wow, I am impressed, you have tis figured out even better than Einstein, not claiming he believed what all I do, but he sure didn't think "this whole god thing was a crock of 5h1t".

Here’s what Einstein said in an interview in G. S. Viereck’s book Glimpses of the Great, in response to a question about whether or not he believed in God.

“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”

And recently:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/11/albert-einstein-was-no-atheist-27-letters-up-for-a/

Again, I am not claiming Einstein believed like I do, but he certainly did not believe what you do either.

And there are many other great scientists throughout history that believe(d) in God. How is it you have this all figured out and they didn't?
 
If you read the Bible, sin entered the world through man's disobedience to God. Therefore that blood line of Adam and therefore his sin was passed to each of us.

Why do we have defects, and why does God allow things to happen? Don't ask me. But I would say that due to sin things were introduced that God never intended.

From what I've read they say that there is no reason we should actually die. But again, sin is poised to each of us, so whatever defects or behaviors that came as a result were passed down as well.

Why does God not just take care of it? I solid say He loves us and is the perfect gentleman and will not intrude in your life unless you want Him to be a part of it. He wants us to live Him not out of fear, but because it's what we want to do.

I suppose perhaps how I should have said about God ever changing is that He is constantly changing us and working on us. The children of Israel for example wandered for 40 years, yet God still led them even at times when He seemingly should have given up on them. I think the same applies today. God is constantly working on me.

If you choose not to believe in God then arguing with you won't convince you.

However if you are talking science then remember that the 2nd law of thermodynamics even states that a system left to itself will result in greater disorder. So to me that says the big bang theory is not probable.

But as I said, arguing with someone is not going to be profitable. Consider opening your mind and your heart however and let God talk to you. I don't know why you seem to dislike God or what you think He did to you, but the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Sometimes life is just life man. My life is not perfect. We just had a car break down recently and I was without a car for more than 2 months and sharing the only working car with my wife. It took that long before we could see about trying to fix the other one, then ended up having to buy a new vehicle.

By your logic, God should have shaped God finger and presto it should have fixed itself. I've heard stories, but sometimes life is life and you can't do anything about it. Anyway I'm not arguing with anyone anymore here, but as I said I'd rather have Bernie in than Hillary. But would rather have Trump or Carson than either of them. But that's my opinion. To quote my father in law, opinions are like butts, everyone has one.
 
I try my best but very frequently fall short. Jesus was the one that measured up so I don't have to.

Jesus died on the cross for your sins so that "we" can now have a way to get into heaven. First you must ask our Lord Jesus Christ to forgive you of all your sins and then you need to repent and turn away from all these sins. It does NOT mean that once you are saved you can go around doing what you've always been doing. You need to walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. (Romans 4:25, 5:12, 6:1-2.. Philippians 3:21 and elsewhere)

So you feel you don't need to follow your faith then?

Their "Jesus's" are all dead. They did not walk on water and there is only one that rose from the dead.

Really? Shows how much you know. Your Jesus is dead just like theirs, in fact, almost exactly like yours.. then resurrected. So you are completely incorrect and you can do some study into these Gods and see how late Christianity is to the party... and how UNORIGINAL it really is.

Egyptian God Horus, 3100BC
God of the Sun, "The Light"
Born Dec 25th
Born of a Virgin, Isis Meri (Not misspelled), "The Great Virgin"
Birth was accompanied by a star in the East
Adorned by 3 kings
Traveling prodigal child teacher at the age of 12
At the age of 30, baptized by ministry
Had 12 Disciples
Performed miracles including healing the sick and WALKING ON WATER
Horus was known as "Lamb of God", "The Truth", "The Light", "God's Anointed Son", "The Good Shepard", "The Lamb of God", "The Way", "The Truth and the Light", "The Savior", "The Messiah", "The Lion", "The Lamb"
After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was Crucified
Dead and buried in a tomb for 3 days
Resurrected
Had principal festival on what was to later become "Easter"

His Resurrection celebrated every year
Sacred day was Sunday, "The Lords Day"
His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper"
HE was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story
In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of Him as a baby being held by his virgin mother.

Greek God Attis, 1200BC
  • Born of a Virgin
  • Born on Dec 25th
  • Crucified
  • Placed in a tomb and buried for 3 days
  • Resurrected

Indian God Krishna, 900BC
  • Born of a Virgin
  • Star in the East signaling his coming
  • Had 12 disciples
  • Killed at the time of the Vernal Equinox, about March 21st (Easter)
  • Performed miracles with his disciples
  • Turned Water into Wine
  • Was dead for 3 days
  • Upon death was resurrected
  • He was powerless to perform miracles in his hometown.
  • His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
  • He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
  • He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world."
  • He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
  • The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers.
  • He later ascended to heaven.
  • Was referred to as "God made flesh", "Savior of the world", "Son of God."
  • He will return in the last days.
  • He will judge the human race at that time.
  • Humans are separated from God by original sin. The godman's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.

Greek God Dionysus, 500BC
  • Born of a virgin
  • Born Dec 25th
  • Traveling teacher who performed miracles
  • Turned water into wine
  • Referred to as "The King of Kings", "God's only begotten son", "Alpha and Omega"
  • Upon death he was resurrected


Persian God Mithra, 2000BC
  • Born of a Virgin
  • Born on Dec 25th
  • Had 12 disciples
  • Performed miracles
  • Upon death was buried for 3 days
  • Resurrected
  • Referred to as "The Truth", "The Light", "Shepherd God", "Lord of Lords", "The Redeemer", "Firstborn", "Sin Bearer", "Liberator", "Universal Word"
  • The second day of worship was called "Sunday"
  • Father was a carpenter
  • He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
  • He was baptized in A river.
  • Healed lepers, the deaf and the blind
  • He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
  • He was crucified between two thieves.
  • He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father."
  • He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. - His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence."
  • He is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth

The list goes on and on:
  1. Chrishna
  2. Budha Sakia
  3. Salivahana
  4. Zulis or Zhule
  5. Osiris
  6. Oruis
  7. Odin
  8. Crite
  9. Zoroaster
  10. Baal and Taut
  11. Indra
  12. Bali
  13. Jao
  14. Wittoba
  15. Thammuz
  16. Atys
  17. Xamolxis
  18. Zoar
  19. Adad
  20. Deva Tat and Sammonocadam
  21. Alcides
  22. Mikado
  23. Beddru
  24. Hesus or Eros and Bremrillah
  25. Thor, Son of Odin of the Gauls
  26. Cadmus
  27. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites
  28. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico
  29. Ischy
  30. Divine Teacher of Plato
  31. Holy One of Xaca
  32. Fohi and Tien
  33. Adonis
  34. Ixion and Quirinus of Rome
  35. Prometheus of Caucasus


....All of which share more in common with Christianity than they differ, all predating Christianity.


That is why the other religions originated in year so and so B.C. And why is this 2015? 2015 from what? It must be pretty significant that we measure time when Jesus was born.
A straw-man argument. Religion has significance in history but significance doesn't imply truth. In fact, we already know why we measure "time" in A.D.

Now I'm going to show you how ridiculous this argument is. The practice was first suggested and implemented in the 6th century A.D. and was adopted by the pope of the time.
Russia and Turkey didn't start using "A.D." until the 20th century.
The Chinese still don't use "A.D." and the year for them is 4713.
Most Islamic countries use the Hijrah calendar, it is Thul-Hijjah 1436 A.H. or Muharram 1437 A.H. currently
Hebrews have a Solilunar calendar which brings the year to 5775
There's the Persian Calendar which is considered the most accurate
The Indian/Hindu calendar, Kaliyuga calendar, Copptic Calendar..
How about the still used Yoruba calendar that dates over 10,000 years..

In fact, the Calendar that we now use, the "Gregorian Calendar" wasn't implemented until 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII which refined the Julian Calendar. This was done because the celebration of Easter was tied to the Spring Equinox and the Roman Catholic Church considered the steady drift in the date of Easter caused by the year being slightly too long to be undesirable.

Of course
, Christianity didn't bother changing the names of the months from the Roman and Pagan Gods and Goddesses for which they are named.

Here's an interesting fact, because of all of the calendar changes and adjustments during the Middle Ages it turns out that Jesus was born around 6BC, so there goes your theory of such an important date.. it's not even right.

Also, most journals and scientific papers do not refer to B.C. and A.D. - they use B.C.E (Before common era) and C.E. (Common Era), as do many others.

So, no, your premise doesn't hold.. the only reason we use B.C. and A.D. is because a Pope made it and culture has perpetuated it. It doesn't matter what you use, so long as we all agree to it as for ease of use and commerce. It could very well be some other system of "time" had history gone differently.

If you read the Bible, sin entered the world through man's disobedience to God. Therefore that blood line of Adam and therefore his sin was passed to each of us.
No, if you believe the Bible, sin entered the world through man's disobedience to God.
So thank you for proving my point and uncovering a fallacy of the Bible. You are admitting that God is NOT omnipotent nor supreme. Did God not SEE that man would disobey him prior to creating man? What kind of God is this? Some kind of royal screw-up? On top of that there is this thing "Sin" and God is just helpless! "How oh how do I get rid of Sin?", says God. Maybe we should be worshiping SIN as it seems to be something God just can't handle.. which would infer that Sin is greater than God. Either that OR God wants us to have Sin because he's an evil man holding the proverbial magnifying glass. Which one is it?

Do you see the circular logic here?

Why do we have defects, and why does God allow things to happen? Don't ask me. But I would say that due to sin things were introduced that God never intended.
Again, you are admitting that God is not all powerful, not omnipotent. "God never intended."? Really!? How very interesting. What else does God not intend? Perhaps he is long gone and he never intended us to worship him and there is nobody "up there" at all, I mean, if something happened that he never intended.. well.. he could mess up "anywhere"! Wow. Pick up the "Good Book", sir... you have more reading to do! The Bible plainly states "what" God is.. so I don't have to ask you and it is clear you don't understand your own faith.

Believe in a "God" if you want - I can even find that reasonable.. but from how you have answered, you may as well drop the Christianity part.

From what I've read they say that there is no reason we should actually die. But again, sin is poised to each of us, so whatever defects or behaviors that came as a result were passed down as well.
You are a God apologist. I would rather prefer God not have introduced Sin or made the universe in such a way that defects or mal-behaviors be able to be passed down. It would have saved us from the "Hell and Brimstone" afterlife option and he could have skipped the whole Jesus thing. Just another God "after-thought"? This is not the definition of an Omnipotent God.


If you choose not to believe in God then arguing with you won't convince you.
Most do not choose to "believe", it is bestowed upon them at a young age before logical thought has had a chance to occur. It would be easy for God to reveal himself to the world in many ways that could not be mistaken for anything but God. So where is he? Either he isn't there or he doesn't care if his "Children" go to hell... that is his rule, right? Non believers, false prophets get doomed to hell for eternity. Yet another force at work that God is either unwilling or unable to correct.. Hell. Omnipotent?

I suppose perhaps how I should have said about God ever changing is that He is constantly changing us and working on us. The children of Israel for example wandered for 40 years, yet God still led them even at times when He seemingly should have given up on them. I think the same applies today. God is constantly working on me.
Yet another story that is predated by almost a 1000 years by prior religions. If God is constantly working on you then it goes to show you that he has no idea of the future, for if he did, he would only work on you once.. or better yet, an Omnipotent God would have got it right the first time. You're telling me that the God who created the heavens and planets and stars with such great precision and care is unable to fix a simpleton? Hmm. Omnipotent?

However if you are talking science then remember that the 2nd law of thermodynamics even states that a system left to itself will result in greater disorder. So to me that says the big bang theory is not probable.
No, it does not.

"The second law of thermodynamics states that in every natural thermodynamic process the sum of the entropies of all participating bodies is increased. In the limiting case, for reversible processes this sum remains unchanged."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

Nor do any of the 4 laws of Thermodynamics state what you claim... quite the opposite, in fact. Remind me never to send my kid to college in Ohio.

By your logic, God should have shaped God finger and presto it should have fixed itself. I've heard stories, but sometimes life is life and you can't do anything about it.
And why shouldn't God do that? It's what he wants anyway and we keep disappointing him (as if he didn't already know he would be disappointed). Why should we sinners need to go to God's Hell for eternity because of God's rules because God won't fix his creation? Pretty Sh***y of God, if you ask me. I would ask God to take it all back and save us from this cruel thing called life (And eternal death). At the very least, God doesn't seem very worthy of worship, according to you... and I doubt he would care anyways.. heck, he doesn't care about anything else.

You know, the Muslim faith doesn't have an impotent, do-nothing God. Maybe we should check with Allah instead.
 
Jesus died on the cross for your sins so that "we" can now have a way to get into heaven. First you must ask our Lord Jesus Christ to forgive you of all your sins and then you need to repent and turn away from all these sins. It does NOT mean that once you are saved you can go around doing what you've always been doing. You need to walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. (Romans 4:25, 5:12, 6:1-2.. Philippians 3:21 and elsewhere)

So you feel you don't need to follow your faith then?

Those are your twisted words. Yes, we need to ask for forgiveness. Yes, we are instructed to repent. And I am nothing like I was before I was a Christian. But the Bible makes it very clear, man always falls short of God's glory. Only Jesus ever measured up. I am the first to admit how imperfect I am. Me not being perfect does not mean I am not a follower. If man could achieve perfection on his own we would not need to follow, we could lead our own path to eternity.

And you don't get to judge whether I am a following Christ or not. And I am not the example to be followed. Jesus is.

Your Jesus is dead just like theirs, in fact, almost exactly like yours.. then resurrected. So you are completely incorrect and you can do some study into these Gods and see how late Christianity is to the party... and how UNORIGINAL it really is.

You need to stop visiting Bill Maher and far left loon web sites. Where did you cut & paste all that garbage from? Show me substantiated historical facts backed up with documentation from reputable historians that have PhD in their names. I don't think you can. You just quoted a bunch of garbage that only lives on the internet and in the discredited books of Gerald Massey. I don't doubt there may some interesting coincidences that could be found along the same lines of the coincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations but that is all they would be. Now you are sounding more like a conspiracy nut. I bet you think we brought down the twin towers and it wasn't a bunch of crazed Muslims.

A straw-man argument.

And yet here we are in 2015 Year of our Lord in spite of your long list of excuses. And talking about straw-man arguments. Wow, what a list you have there. Like saying I am somehow wrong because Jesus actual birth was in 6AD. I always thought is was more like 4AD. But wow, you are grasping at any straw(man) you can. A better definition than your sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini
 
Dude, it's just over your head. You're not even following the debate or understanding the premises... that, or you are deliberately deflecting.

Let's see your resources and irrefutable proof from historians that have PhD in their names that prove the historical facts of Christianity.

What you fail to see is that most of the "facts" come from the texts of their respective religions. The texts were translated and they say what they say. A PhD isn't needed to see the text of the Bible nor produce the text of the Bible, correct?

Most of my list came from my knowledge and primarily 3 Books that I own and are for purchase only, welcome to go to the bookstore:
The Pagan Christ: Recovering the Lost Light
Harpur offers a 128 source bibliography and 3 appendices with notes for his findings.
The Natural Genesis
The Egyptian Book of the Dead : The Book of Coming Forth by Day

Sites you are welcome to look at that compare different religions(Pulling these only because you seem unable; didn't pull stuff from these for my prior rebuttals; didn't verify the legitimacy, quick glanced at these):
http://www.religionfacts.com/compare/religions
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa1.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_other_religions
http://listverse.com/2013/06/30/ten-influences-on-the-bible/
http://rishyrich.hubpages.com/hub/Parallels-between-Jesus-Horus

Plenty of the conclusions are debatable and are ultimately unknown, just like the Bible. However, the overall stories and mythology of civilizations existing before Christianity have uncanny similarities to Christianity. We KNOW these religions were BEFORE Christianity, so are you to have us believe that somehow Christianity didn't borrow from these and history literally repeated itself for Christ? Ridiculous.

And you don't get to judge whether I am a following Christ or not. And I am not the example to be followed. Jesus is.
I have not judged you. Show me where I have done that. I have simply asked you questions and you have responded. I have shown you parts of the Old and New Testament in which you admit you do not follow. It's not that I WANT you to follow the hideous parts of the Bible, it is to show how convenient it is Christians think it is OK to follow *this* part and NOT *that* part. The hypocrisy of it all.

It is you who is judging God. By what right do you get to claim God not omnipotent? What gives you the right to deviate from the faith of Christianity, less the idea of "Free Will" - which is a cop-out. If you want to use Free Will then you open the argument for God not being Omnipotent again, since he is "mistaken" in his creation. This can not happen if you "believe", otherwise you commit heresy/blasphemy.

The problem with religion is it doesn't take much to push them into a corner.

By the way, here's the definition of a Straw-man argument
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

So now when you say
And yet here we are in 2015 Year of our Lord in spite of your long list of excuses. And talking about straw-man arguments. Wow, what a list you have there. Like saying I am somehow wrong because Jesus actual birth was in 6AD. I always thought is was more like 4AD. But wow, you are grasping at any straw(man) you can. A better definition than your sources:
Are you straw-manning a straw-man argument? I think so. Two wrongs don't make a right. I didn't make any excuses, I told you the history of the origin of our system of measuring time and why it is so, as you implied different circumstances to the situation that are clearly erroneous. The world is bigger than just the US and I have shown there are plenty of countries that STILL do not use AD as a designation, so how important is it again? I'm not debating that we don't use A.D., that's preposterous. YOU are arguing that because we use A.D. that that makes God and Christianity true, I'm arguing that that is a straw man argument.. but you keep on with it anyways with yet another straw-man argument. Umm, okay.

Oh, and your "better" source at Wikipedia states:
Most scholars [32] concede the year of the birth of Jesus to be around 6–4 BC,[33][34][35][36] though some widen the range to 7–2 BC,[37][38][39] but there is no definitive dating.[40]
So, that would make my assessment correct, correct? Maybe you should read your own sources.

If you want to have a reasonable debate you can start by answering the logical issue questions in post #104, of which you have virtually ignored. What say you? The onus is on YOU to prove your points, not on others to prove your points.



 
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Those are your twisted words. Yes, we need to ask for forgiveness. Yes, we are instructed to repent. And I am nothing like I was before I was a Christian. But the Bible makes it very clear, man always falls short of God's glory. Only Jesus ever measured up. I am the first to admit how imperfect I am. Me not being perfect does not mean I am not a follower. If man could achieve perfection on his own we would not need to follow, we could lead our own path to eternity.

And you don't get to judge whether I am a following Christ or not. And I am not the example to be followed. Jesus is.



You need to stop visiting Bill Maher and far left loon web sites. Where did you cut & paste all that garbage from? Show me substantiated historical facts backed up with documentation from reputable historians that have PhD in their names. I don't think you can. You just quoted a bunch of garbage that only lives on the internet and in the discredited books of Gerald Massey. I don't doubt there may some interesting coincidences that could be found along the same lines of the coincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations but that is all they would be. Now you are sounding more like a conspiracy nut. I bet you think we brought down the twin towers and it wasn't a bunch of crazed Muslims.



And yet here we are in 2015 Year of our Lord in spite of your long list of excuses. And talking about straw-man arguments. Wow, what a list you have there. Like saying I am somehow wrong because Jesus actual birth was in 6AD. I always thought is was more like 4AD. But wow, you are grasping at any straw(man) you can. A better definition than your sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini

If you're stating that what Phazed provided is "garbage", then it is up to you to prove (with cites), why that is so. Otherwise, you're just another internet troll.

BTW, you never answered the question I posed, either.

R
 
As I said, I'm not going to argue with anyone, no profit in that. However, I did find some material you might read some time. But if anyone chooses not to believe in Jesus Christ as I do, there is nothing I can do to make you believe. So no profit to arguing. But just sharing a couple of reads online. Take a look sometime when you have a minute.

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan-christianity.htm

http://www.kingdavid8.com/_full_article.php?id=24f9c898-6b92-11e1-b1f8-842b2b162e97

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-copy-horus-mithras-dionysis-pagan-gods/
 
As I said, I'm not going to argue with anyone, no profit in that. However, I did find some material you might read some time. But if anyone chooses not to believe in Jesus Christ as I do, there is nothing I can do to make you believe. So no profit to arguing. But just sharing a couple of reads online. Take a look sometime when you have a minute.

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan-christianity.htm

http://www.kingdavid8.com/_full_article.php?id=24f9c898-6b92-11e1-b1f8-842b2b162e97

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-copy-horus-mithras-dionysis-pagan-gods/

You're aware, of course, that the premises in all three of the articles could just as easily be used to argue the veracity of the Bible, Jesus, and most of Christianity?

Rick
 
Leave it to Technibble general chat to turn a Bernie Sanders vs CISA thread into a religious debat. Bernie Sanders also supports tighter gun control guys! Also he hates small businesses, capitalism, harley davidsons and your mom.
 
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