I had my software check if nVidia SATA drivers were installed, and then refuse to work until the nVidia driver was removed and replaced with Microsoft standard one. With nVidia drivers, it was not possible to read more than 1 TB data at full speed without eating a BSOD. I probably still have the code active, it just does not get called because driver is no longer in wide use.
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I had my software check if nVidia SATA drivers were installed, and then refuse to work until the nVidia driver was removed and replaced with Microsoft standard one. With nVidia drivers, it was not possible to read more than 1 TB data at full speed without eating a BSOD. I probably still have the code active, it just does not get called because driver is no longer in wide use.
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@brandonkick You didn't say that, but Galdorf did when he opened the thread, so that's the context of the conversation.
But yes, I'm very excited to see AMD competing again, and honestly I hope they take the lead for awhile. Intel deserves to lose its crown for this incremental crap they've been foisting on us. There's literally been almost no reason to upgrade CPUs from gen3 all the way to gen 7, and the only reason gen8 is worth anything is the TDP drop. Even Gen9 is a WTF are you doing here Intel game... And the prices... WTF $400 for a CPU for a desktop? Hello?!?
So yeah I'm happy to see AMD at it again, but I still see mainboard issues related to the chipset being crap which is just an old crutch for the company. It's hard to get excited about it when you're walking the same old road. We've been here before... And I was a HUGE AMD fanboi back in the day, I couldn't tell you how many Athlon XP systems I built. But these days? I've been all Intel all the time, and I've been so for well over a decade because AMD just didn't compete.
2nd Gen Ryzen? yeah... looks good as a CPU. And I'm loving the concentration onto a single socket... But, I need to see the AM4 platform last for 5 years before I'll even look at it, because of AMD's history.
In the meantime we all win because Intel has been rightly kicked in the balls, and that's nothing but good for everyone.
But yes, I'm very excited to see AMD competing again, and honestly I hope they take the lead for awhile. Intel deserves to lose its crown for this incremental crap they've been foisting on us. There's literally been almost no reason to upgrade CPUs from gen3 all the way to gen 7, and the only reason gen8 is worth anything is the TDP drop. Even Gen9 is a WTF are you doing here Intel game... And the prices... WTF $400 for a CPU for a desktop? Hello?!?
So yeah I'm happy to see AMD at it again, but I still see mainboard issues related to the chipset being crap which is just an old crutch for the company. It's hard to get excited about it when you're walking the same old road. We've been here before... And I was a HUGE AMD fanboi back in the day, I couldn't tell you how many Athlon XP systems I built. But these days? I've been all Intel all the time, and I've been so for well over a decade because AMD just didn't compete.
2nd Gen Ryzen? yeah... looks good as a CPU. And I'm loving the concentration onto a single socket... But, I need to see the AM4 platform last for 5 years before I'll even look at it, because of AMD's history.
In the meantime we all win because Intel has been rightly kicked in the balls, and that's nothing but good for everyone.
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Yeah, and you can pretty much kiss that goodbye from a practical point of view. From what I'm reading, it's the PCIe 4.0 support that you are going to want with Ryzen3... that's where they're getting that 69% better number... only on new boards with the X570 chipset.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/05/28/amd-ryzen-3000-release-date-price-specs/
....and... good luck getting great BIOS support/updates for many boards/models that are not their higher end pro-gaming sets and whatnot.
And this is why I don't get mad when Intel changes their socket type.. I was always planning on a new board with my new CPU after the 5-6+ years I get from them. It's silly to think all of "the other things" are going to be static, non-changing items. I mean, what's the point of getting a new CPU only to have it limited to the same type of speeds of your old CPU, due to the data bus on the MB?
Did your 2-3 year old board come with this badge from the "AMD Ryzen Desktop 3000 Ready" program. Nope? Well, sucks for you! New board time!
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Just to let you know US has banned Intel to do business with China they lost huge market as well trump has broken deal with India which is also looking at banning Intel.
China Ban
All this prompted the Chinese government to create its own blacklist, which it’s currently referring to as the “Unreliable Entity List.”
China announced its list on Friday, saying that it will add any foreign firms and individuals who do not play nice with Chinese companies, namely Huawei.
Have a source in China that also said that Intel has been banned in China and that AMD has deal with China to produce a cpu for it.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/chinese-entity-blacklist/
China Ban
All this prompted the Chinese government to create its own blacklist, which it’s currently referring to as the “Unreliable Entity List.”
China announced its list on Friday, saying that it will add any foreign firms and individuals who do not play nice with Chinese companies, namely Huawei.
Have a source in China that also said that Intel has been banned in China and that AMD has deal with China to produce a cpu for it.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/chinese-entity-blacklist/
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Galdorf, need a link to support that... because what I've found doesn't say what you've just said. I did find this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/10/us_intel_china_ban/ But that's not China doing jack, that's just more export restrictions from our side. I do see China threatening its own black list, but no details on who's on it. I see absolutely nothing about India moving against Intel.
Either nation banning Intel would be stupid, they'd not have any computers anywhere anymore. AMD uses Intel tech too for crying out loud, there are literally no alternatives.
A good article that sums up the reality of the US / China mess... right here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/18637291/huawei-ban-trump-trade-war-china-united-states-tariffs
Either nation banning Intel would be stupid, they'd not have any computers anywhere anymore. AMD uses Intel tech too for crying out loud, there are literally no alternatives.
A good article that sums up the reality of the US / China mess... right here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/18637291/huawei-ban-trump-trade-war-china-united-states-tariffs
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I know my X370 board will support Zen 2, and I'll likely not be bothering for a few reasons...
1) My current R7 1700X setup (8 cores / 16 threads) does everything I need it to do without breaking a sweat
2) I like money in my checking account / investment portfolios more than I like buying the newest tech
3) As you mentioned, my X370 board will support a Zen 2 CPU... but it won't support DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 so not much a reason to upgrade. If a new CPU, that won't make a noticable difference to me from the old one, is the upgrade.. there is no point. But it's nice to see I have that option.
As mentioned, from what I've seen over the last 2.5 years, I can say that AMD is so far backing up their claims of keeping a single platform (socket) alive for a number of years. 3 generations of a CPU on a single socket isn't bad. It's also nice to see that all but the low end chip sets from many manufactures are getting Zen 2 support. I heard a rumor that MSI wasn't going to be adding in support for Zen 2 on my chip initially, kinda irked me even though I had no intentions of upgrading. Then I come to find out it was false information, and most of MSI's B and X series boards were going to be getting updated BIOS files for Zen 2.
This is how I see things playing out for me:
I'll likely own the setup I have now (MSI X370 SLI PRO + R7 1700X) for another 3-5 years and use it as my main development workstation. Used mostly to run a few VM's and RDP into a few different networks to do my development work. Some gaming, but nothing bleeding edge... no 4K res 100 FPS needs. By the time I'm ready to build a new workstation I'll likely pick from the newest offering of AM5 boards and probably one of the earliest AM5 chips. Unless of course Intel really starts to push the issue and makes me an offer I can't refuse!
1) My current R7 1700X setup (8 cores / 16 threads) does everything I need it to do without breaking a sweat
2) I like money in my checking account / investment portfolios more than I like buying the newest tech
3) As you mentioned, my X370 board will support a Zen 2 CPU... but it won't support DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 so not much a reason to upgrade. If a new CPU, that won't make a noticable difference to me from the old one, is the upgrade.. there is no point. But it's nice to see I have that option.
As mentioned, from what I've seen over the last 2.5 years, I can say that AMD is so far backing up their claims of keeping a single platform (socket) alive for a number of years. 3 generations of a CPU on a single socket isn't bad. It's also nice to see that all but the low end chip sets from many manufactures are getting Zen 2 support. I heard a rumor that MSI wasn't going to be adding in support for Zen 2 on my chip initially, kinda irked me even though I had no intentions of upgrading. Then I come to find out it was false information, and most of MSI's B and X series boards were going to be getting updated BIOS files for Zen 2.
This is how I see things playing out for me:
I'll likely own the setup I have now (MSI X370 SLI PRO + R7 1700X) for another 3-5 years and use it as my main development workstation. Used mostly to run a few VM's and RDP into a few different networks to do my development work. Some gaming, but nothing bleeding edge... no 4K res 100 FPS needs. By the time I'm ready to build a new workstation I'll likely pick from the newest offering of AM5 boards and probably one of the earliest AM5 chips. Unless of course Intel really starts to push the issue and makes me an offer I can't refuse!
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And there are no problems with Intel?
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...03-upgrade-blocked-due-to-some-intel-drivers/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...03-upgrade-blocked-due-to-some-intel-drivers/
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@Galdorf No?? 1904 being blocked for deployment to some Intel hardware is happening because Intel is working with Microsoft. Halting the update is by design, telemetry is working, all systems green. Contrary to popular belief, one doesn't need to be on the most recent release. This isn't an issue unless Intel doesn't get the stuff fixed before 1809's support termination May 12, 2020.
1904 was held back because of STEAM not too long ago... it's a thing.
If anyone is to blame here is MS for screwing up 1809 so badly that 1904 got almost no attention. 1904 has had the shortest testing period of any Win10 build to date. Honestly, I'm surprised it's gone as well as it has. MS really needs to grow a brain and fall back to annual updates.
1904 was held back because of STEAM not too long ago... it's a thing.
If anyone is to blame here is MS for screwing up 1809 so badly that 1904 got almost no attention. 1904 has had the shortest testing period of any Win10 build to date. Honestly, I'm surprised it's gone as well as it has. MS really needs to grow a brain and fall back to annual updates.
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There are benchmarks of the entry level ryzen 3000 at $200 on a older board it beat i7 9700k now when the new motherboards release with pci 4 and faster ddr speeds it will be very close or equal to 9900.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-16-core-5-2ghz-cpu-benchmark-leaked-crushes-intels-i9-9980xe/
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-16-core-5-2ghz-cpu-benchmark-leaked-crushes-intels-i9-9980xe/
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Single core performance:
Soon as the x570 motherboard is out i am upgrading to high end ryzen 3000 series.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
Soon as the x570 motherboard is out i am upgrading to high end ryzen 3000 series.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
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I have checked more single core performance benchmarks from what i have heard it is the architecture + die shrink since most of the games i play are using UE3 it would be a huge boost for me.
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3600 and 3600X did pretty well in reviews, IMO, at least all thrashing the 2700X, and now nipping at proverbial 'gaming-heels' of even the 8700K, which at the $200/$250 price point, is a fairly compelling value...
(The 9700K and 9900K seem comfortably unchallenged even by 2800X/3900X in gaming, barring some new BIOS and/or Windows updates/tweaks to squeeze more out of them)
(The 9700K and 9900K seem comfortably unchallenged even by 2800X/3900X in gaming, barring some new BIOS and/or Windows updates/tweaks to squeeze more out of them)
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I have seen benchmarks they were on X470 boards the one above was done on a X570 board and yes the 3700x beats the 9900k in some games note benchmarks done with AMD video cards are faster than Intel using NVIDIA Video cards are slower so there seems to be a hardware issue.
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Personally, I am sticking with Intel. What I do is go to this chart:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Then I scroll down and find the first thing Intel that is in my price range and not a Xeon. Right now that would be the i7-9700k probably for $364. While it has almost 18,000 CPU marks, it's around $700 for an Intel that's about 20,000 CPU marks. Not worth the cost difference.
Then I look at which socket type it takes and if there are different choices for how many nm for the lithography process. Ultimately, I find the popular one that takes the cheaper memory if there are two slightly different sockets... or the newer one...
Then I pick a chipset. I try to find an Intel North Bridge and South Bridge chipset after reviewing which Intel chipsets do what, I filter on boards. Next I find things I want like a TPM, and ultimately I pick the manufacturer I want to buy it from after reading discussion forums. Generally, I want something not built in mainland china if possible, and with solid-state caps. At the very least, I want support that isn't overseas.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Then I scroll down and find the first thing Intel that is in my price range and not a Xeon. Right now that would be the i7-9700k probably for $364. While it has almost 18,000 CPU marks, it's around $700 for an Intel that's about 20,000 CPU marks. Not worth the cost difference.
Then I look at which socket type it takes and if there are different choices for how many nm for the lithography process. Ultimately, I find the popular one that takes the cheaper memory if there are two slightly different sockets... or the newer one...
Then I pick a chipset. I try to find an Intel North Bridge and South Bridge chipset after reviewing which Intel chipsets do what, I filter on boards. Next I find things I want like a TPM, and ultimately I pick the manufacturer I want to buy it from after reading discussion forums. Generally, I want something not built in mainland china if possible, and with solid-state caps. At the very least, I want support that isn't overseas.
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3900x is very affordable at $500 also has less security issues than Intel game benchmarks on it also also at the top.
Also got info on next gen Intel cpu 10000 series sorry guys you will need a new motherboard for this again lol mb mfg are upgrading the bios size to support ryzen 3000 x470 boards to support extra features on 3000 series.
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Wow i ordered some 3200G and some 3600 from 2 different places they still have not shipped yet, within 6 hours of posting 3700,3700x they are all out of stock.
I have done benchmarks on ryzen 3600,3200G,3700x with top of the line AMD video card and indeed the 3700x beats the i9 9900k in benchmarks on real games, switching to NVIDIA some games run faster on the 9900k so if your going all in on AMD you can get some real performance for alot less money.
The 3200g is amazing value for performance for budget gaming beats all benchmarks on i5 up to gen 9 you can use A320-B450 boards.
MSI flash bios button is amazing no need for a 2nd cpu just put bios on flash drive rename to MSI.ROM
Hit the flash bios button wait for red led to stop flashing and your done.
According to tests ryzen 3000 still are not running at full clock speeds this is due to it being rushed out so fast and may be due to bios issues so most benchmarks are not accurate at this point.
I have done benchmarks on ryzen 3600,3200G,3700x with top of the line AMD video card and indeed the 3700x beats the i9 9900k in benchmarks on real games, switching to NVIDIA some games run faster on the 9900k so if your going all in on AMD you can get some real performance for alot less money.
The 3200g is amazing value for performance for budget gaming beats all benchmarks on i5 up to gen 9 you can use A320-B450 boards.
MSI flash bios button is amazing no need for a 2nd cpu just put bios on flash drive rename to MSI.ROM
Hit the flash bios button wait for red led to stop flashing and your done.
According to tests ryzen 3000 still are not running at full clock speeds this is due to it being rushed out so fast and may be due to bios issues so most benchmarks are not accurate at this point.
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