Windows 7 SUCKS! (rant)

[CompConfig]

I have not had any problems with Windows 7. Something you may want to try when runing into security issues with it. If you try to do something with a file and get an access restriction, right click on it and choose run as administrator.

 

[Tweak]

I tend to lean towards the exact opposite of every single point you made, your issues are NOT the normal type by any means, Win7 is and has been working well for a very long time even during BETA stages for me as well as others I know...sorry you have suck issues.

 

[Bryce W]

Most of what you are seeing is not typical to a Windows 7 install. I use it for my main machine and it works perfectly. I also install it for clients and dont see these problems.

Microsoft's way of making windows more secure is to prevent anyone, even you, to use your computer. Something that is supposed to take me less than 2 seconds to do is now turning into hours of research and tweaking.

This is a good thing. Windows 7 was changed to protect the average joe from themselves.
You are a computer technician and you usually need to or enjoy digging a little deeper so you are going to hit walls. You are a minority and its bad for you, but its great for the majority.

I need to make a new text file in my C: drive. Won't let me. I changed permissions, changed the owner (why the **** should I ever have to do that? I am the administrator) and someone said even disable UAC. I don't see how that would have any effect on this.

I have UAC off and an admin account and I can make a new text file in my C root. Probably shouldn't be dropping files there anyway.

Many of the programs that I use can't create new files.

Whats the error message? Are you dropping them in a system area?

That's not even it still. Strange things happen, like keyboard or mouse don't fully work when the computer starts (I can click but can't move - have to unplug/replug mouse/keyboard -microsoft brand).

I suspect you have driver issues. Uninstall the drivers and get the latest Windows 7 drivers from the maker.

Explorer crashes every time I get out of add/remove programs.

Ive seen this in Vista, I cant remember what the fix was. But I believe you and suspect it probably carried over from Vista.

Ethernet randomly disconnects and has to be disabled/re-renabled (drivers up to date). I had to turn off power management for it. Why isn't that turned off by default if it causes such problems?

Who makes the ethernet card?

Microsoft just puts out a product then it's up to us to work out all the bugs.

Thats what the beta was for

As I mentioned before, your issues are not typical to most installs. Perhaps you can post your system specs here, brands, model numbers and all. I suspect you have some old, cheap or lesser known hardware.

 

[callthatgirl]

I like 7 and I liked Vista too. I also liked my clients who had Vista.

 

[NickCat11]

One word will cure all
LINUX!!
No virus, no defrag, no regestry probs. no BSOD

Like mentioned before, Linux is great until you do run into an issue, which you will eventually. Then you need to be an expert to figure it out.

No issues with Windows 7 here either accept for my Carbonite situation.

 

[stevenamills]

To those that haven't had problems - you will.

One day you won't be able to connect to a network computer - it just hapens. Google this for thousands with this problem. You go from "local and internet access" to "internet access". Some computers you can connect to - others you can't. Interestingly, you can see the computer in Network Neighborhood, but when you click on them it tells you you put in a bad address.

System restore will be unable to restore most "points". You will be told this is due to antivirus preventing certain actions. Very interesting in cases where NO AV is installed.

Sometimes coming back from a failed restore it will tell you that this copy of 7 is illegal - these guys can't code squat!

That's just this week.

 

[NickCat11]

To those that haven't had problems - you will.

One day you won't be able to connect to a network computer - it just hapens. Google this for thousands with this problem. You go from "local and internet access" to "internet access". Some computers you can connect to - others you can't. Interestingly, you can see the computer in Network Neighborhood, but when you click on them it tells you you put in a bad address.

System restore will be unable to restore most "points". You will be told this is due to antivirus preventing certain actions. Very interesting in cases where NO AV is installed.

Sometimes coming back from a failed restore it will tell you that this copy of 7 is illegal - these guys can't code squat!

That's just this week.

Yikes

That sounds like a week from hell...

 

[callthatgirl]

I've already had a bad network issue with 7 and my client and I gave up for now as we found a workaround.

Xp will see 7
7 will see XP, but gives 'permission error', I swear....we both tried every single thing we could figure out (he's technical) and we both googled to death...still no joy.

It's on my determinated to fix list.

 

[hondablaster]

Quick post. I had a very unstable windows 7 laptop. (HP upgrade from Vista to 7 for free) I used the drivers from the disk then went to HP website. (After troubleshooting its was my Realtek Card reader driver issue) So I dealt with it for a while expecting my PC to lock up and restart (only had a mouse pointer on a locked screen) Finally got smart and downloaded the latest driver directly from Realtek.

Not had any issues yet, and enjoy the speed and ease of Windows 7. 100% stable. (now it is) Funny how something small as a media card reader driver can cause me so much grief.

Good Luck.

 

[numnutz]

I'm interested in knowing for everyone who feels XP is / was the best operating system Microsoft built. How long have you been repairing computers professionally. Not trying to sound rude or anything like that at all but dont people remember when XP first came out? The issues were horrendous until SP2 came out which was at least 2 years later I believe. issues getting XP and Windows 7 talking to each other? Do you remember trying to get XP Home and windows 98 talking to each other when it first came out??

Speed, stability, and security Windows 7 is by far the best OS. Problem free?? Not even close but with so many Manufacturers out there building junk hardware and big pc makers trying to build everything at the lowest cost possible, all the blame is not on Microsofts end

 

[ridgefieldpc]

I read over most of what you guys said and a couple of things:

My hardware is awesome, except for the ATI video card because ATI drivers suck. My computer is not old, it is a dual core, ASUS mobo, 4 GB ram, RAID 0.

Yeah I don't know what is up either. I did download the RC before this and noticed the explorer crash issue, but didn't use it enough to find the other problems. I just gambled that MS would fix these things by the release date.

Oh yeah another 2 things I noticed: Sometimes copy and paste doesn't work right (you copy but the clipboard is still empty). This happens in multiple programs, like Paint.Net and Firefox.

Also when you right click on hard drives in my computer window, sometimes it brings up computer properties instead of the hard drive.

And yes I was quite angry when I wrote that, that's why I put (rant), but these problems still exist. It's 64-bit edition and some people have been having more trouble with that than the 32bit version according to the internets.

Please don't hate me because I'm experiencing all these things for real. Like I said my hardware is awesome, I have never had problems with it. Even XP 64bit ran better than this.

And Linux.. no. It's so complicated. You have to do everything in command prompt and it takes a while to learn all the syntax and the ins and outs. I would be spending more time tweaking linux than windows. It doesn't serve my purposes anyway. I do like Knoppix though, very useful.

Even Ubuntu which has a GUI is a cmd prompt OS. When I started searching the internet how to get my wireless card drivers working I decided I'm better off sticking to windows.

Windows 7... it's a downward spiral since I installed it. As I use it more and more things break. Fixing one thing through registry or permissions breaks another. It's too bad because I heard so many good things about it.


To the new car argument: If you spent a lot of money on a new car, and realized that it's worse than old car, wouldn't you be ******? I rest my case. =)

 

[noah]

Unless I missed it, did you reinstall 7 and see if the problems persist?

 

[CompConfig]

The RC version had problems and according to the two stories I just read unless you did a N & P before moving to the retail version it is going to be a nightmare. When XP first came out there was the same problems but nothing like Vista and after installing 7 on 32 computers so far from 4 year old laptops to brand new machines the only issues I have heard so far have to do with adding them to a windows 2003 domain with XP clients. Those problems do not occur so far with 2008 and there will be a fix shortly for the network issue. I know you have had a rough time with 7 on this machine I would like to know if you have tried it on other computers and if you had problems with them as well?

 

[KompuKare]

My problem is the GUI...

Actually, my problem with Windows 7, Vista (and even parts of XP) is the GUI. In XP it's not so bad since you can turn off a lot of the annoying bits (sidebars in explorer windows, stupid search, non-classic control panels etc). In Vista you could at least turn the new Start Menu off and stick with the old style but in Win7 they're forcing everyone to use the new idiot menu.

In fact that's the whole problem with Microsoft and Windows: they keep implementing features which may (or may not) be useful to the majority of users but for that the are quite happy to penalize those users who actually know what they are doing.

So they noticed that most people are too lazy or lack the knowledge to sort out their Start Menu (i.e. make sub folders for Applications, Media, Utilities etc.) and therefore come up with that auto-searching thing. For the vast majority of users it is an improvement, but for power users who actually know what they are doing it's a step backwards. Windows 7 compounds that problem by not giving people the option to go back to the old style.

I still consider Microsoft's stupidest idea ever to be the hiding of file extensions: okay some people get slightly confused by extensions but compare that to the harm that a 'Nice Song.mp3.exe' does it is nothing.

In fact, for the first few years of XP I was happily using W2K and if W2K supported all my hardware and software, I'd probably still be using it.

My ideal Windows would the kernel and driver model of Win7 but the GUI of W2K. Which does show the real limit of closed-source software: you have to put up with whatever the authors decide to do. And if Microsoft want to concentrate on 'dumbing down' the UI and making friends in Hollywood with draconian DRM consumers will have to grin and take it...

 

[MobileTechie]

New GUIs are often annoying until you get used to them. We've had XP for so long most of us are very, very accustomed to it. So using a new one, we have the urge to alter it back to what we are used to.

But if you came to it fresh I think you'd probably prefer it. Certainly older clients of mine, who never heavily habituated to XP or Vista, really like it.

Personally I think one should change nothing for a couple of months and then make changes if you need to based on the OS as it is, rather than comparing it to something it isn't.

Personally I think hiding extensions makes complete sense for the average user.

 

[KompuKare]

Personally I think one should change nothing for a couple of months and then make changes if you need to based on the OS as it is, rather than comparing it to something it isn't.

Hm, well perhaps. Anyway, I know I think I will have to do exactly as you say: Install and use Win7 on default settings. Not because I might grow to love it (slim chance) but because I have to get used to it’s idiosyncratic look so the next time I sit in front off a client’s Win7 / Vista machine I don’t have to hesitate and wonder ‘now where did Microsoft hide that…’.

In other words, I have no choice but to grin and accept it

Can’t agree on the hidden extension. Computers are complex and people have to be willing to learn something if they are going to use them. Although I will admit that email attachment virus are no longer as prevalent as they used to be, the ‘'Nice Song.mp3.exe' exploit does still exist and it’s not like file extensions are a very hard concept for people to grasp.

 

[K007]

Not all computers are compatible with Windows 7.
Check with the manufacturer.
For example, Dell Vostro A860 (my laptop), which is just 16 months old, is not compatible with Windows 7.
Dell says I should not upgrade to Windows 7 because there will be issues.

 

[MobileTechie]

When they say not compatible I assume they mean there are no drivers for certain components? Or something else?

 

[K007]

When they say not compatible I assume they mean there are no drivers for certain components? Or something else?

No specific info. Just "NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS 7"
No complaints though. To buy windows 7 would cost almost as much as the laptop anew. It was £199.00 excluding VAT of course and delivery £20.00 for which I paid.

 

[ridgefieldpc]

Update:
Yes it was a clean install.... FFS I am not stupid.

Now everytime I start Windows I have to disable/enable my LAN adapter. I told you it sucks! What a nightmare. Yes they are new drivers, yes my hardware is compatible. No, you don't read what I post before replying do you?

And I don't think DRIVERS would have anything to do with WRITE PERMISSIONS. Or are you gonna say that my mobo is bad and needs to be replaced?

Clean install. Updated drivers. Compatible new-ish hardware. Seasoned tech. Windows 7 suckiness all the way. It's Vista Redux!