Windows 11 says goodbye to Control Panel
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Blues
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True anything they remove someone will replace
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And, often, for reasons I will never understand (nor, I might add, do I need to).
Over the years I've learned that it's just much easier to "go with the flow" of UI changes, and not just Windows UI changes. Knowing how to use the UI that "comes with" is a basic skill. I've seen people who have used things like Open Shell frozen like a deer in the headlights when faced with a machine other than their own where the native UI is all that's available.
But to each his or her own.
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I can understand tools which consolidate controls into one convenient to use tool and when they are designed to mimic past menu/screens for an ease of use.
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Although I get what you're saying, this ends up being a hideous crutch over the long term, with utterly predictable results if said crutch is "kicked out from under you," which it always will be if you use anything other than your own personal machine. And that's my central point, and why (particularly for my blind clients, but in general for all of them) I won't install things that attempt to make the Windows 10 interface look like Windows 7. Eventually it comes back to bite you on the posterior.
It may not for those of us here, who are a bit more "flexible" than your average user, but it almost always does for "your average user."
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I am not suggesting the reason is a good one simply mentioning a reason for these tools.
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Win11's settings menu isn't quite a replacement for Control Panel, but it's not far off.
Unlike Win10's settings menu... which is a train wreck.
Unlike Win10's settings menu... which is a train wreck.
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I still have the college client's laptop here waiting for her return, and it's the only Windows 11 machine I've touched so far. I may need to take a quick peek at settings under Win11 just to see what the differences are.
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You should, Windows 11's settings menu reminds me of what Apple uses on their iPhones. It can get a bit long, but it's all there.
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And I did. I very much like it, although I think they could have conserved space and scrolling by using a "Control Panel like" grid arrangement rather than lists.
But the Win11 Settings UI is vastly superior to Windows 10. I'll bet it's eventually back-ported to 10.
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No. There would be no reason to upgrade if 10 continues to receive new features.
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Windows 10 is far from dead. It will receive feature updates through 2025. It is virtually certain that some of them will be parallel to Windows 11 and other things back-ported. It's way easier for Microsoft's own techs to be dealing with "as much consistency" as is reasonably possible.
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No it will receive security updates not feature updates.
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Well, that's not what I've read in the tech press or Microsoft's own blogs.
Windows 10 Feature Updates, now being changed to once annually to align with Windows 11, are still referred to.
I don't expect any major changes, but I absolutely expect backporting of things that MS wants to backport. They did that with telemetry into Windows 7 after the introduction of Windows 10, and that was no small undertaking.
Windows 10 has not gone into "maintenance only" mode based on anything I've read, though MS is, of course, trying to get as many people as they can on Windows 11. But because of their hardware requirements for 11, a very great many Windows 10 users are precluded from that move, and that user base is huge. Telling them "we're not doing anything but security patches" for the next 3 years would not fly.
Windows 10 Feature Updates, now being changed to once annually to align with Windows 11, are still referred to.
I don't expect any major changes, but I absolutely expect backporting of things that MS wants to backport. They did that with telemetry into Windows 7 after the introduction of Windows 10, and that was no small undertaking.
Windows 10 has not gone into "maintenance only" mode based on anything I've read, though MS is, of course, trying to get as many people as they can on Windows 11. But because of their hardware requirements for 11, a very great many Windows 10 users are precluded from that move, and that user base is huge. Telling them "we're not doing anything but security patches" for the next 3 years would not fly.
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Well that’s because Microsoft, as they always do, has said both. The developers want one version of Windows to support. Marketing wants to drive sales and corporate support wants to maintain compatibility with older versions and hardware. It’s a situation that’s in direct opposition to each other right down to internal turf wars inside Microsoft.
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And, for me, what Microsoft has said is way less of a factor than what the market dictates. Windows 10 users, who are legion in number, and who must remain Windows 10 users won't tolerate being treated as complete second class citizens. They'll definitely have to be willing to tolerate being "of secondary concern" but not being ignored entirely with nothing but security patches.
They haven't even been like that with Windows 8.1, or at least they weren't for a very long time. Now, with the clock ticking very loudly indeed for EOL on Win8.1, it's time for those folks to "go 10/11 or go home."
They haven't even been like that with Windows 8.1, or at least they weren't for a very long time. Now, with the clock ticking very loudly indeed for EOL on Win8.1, it's time for those folks to "go 10/11 or go home."
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I disagree. They will not notice or care. Most computer users treat Windows like a microwave. As long as it can cook the hot dog or open Word, Excel, Outlook and Quickbooks then new features don't matter and frankly are unwelcome by most users. They just want it to work and work the same way it always has done. Windows 11 is change for change sake for most of these end-users and they are hard-pressed to adopt change even if that change would benefit them and make them more productive. Only tech enthusiasts care about new features. As long as it is patched for security issues, and most all of them find that process highly annoying, then they are fine with it.
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And that's still a substantial number of Windows 10 users.
But in all other respects, I absolutely agree with what you say. I just don't think Windows 10 will go into "security patches only" mode. Time will tell.
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We just got Windows 10 21H2, and yes... it indeed DOES have new features: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/whats-new-windows-10-version-21h2
There is no announcement that the normal semi-annual cadence is going to stop. Other than Oct of 2025. We should get feature updates all the way up until the Spring of 2024, 18 months before Oct of 2025.
Windows 11 will get more than what Windows 10 gets, but MS is far from done with Win10.
I will give Windows 11 one thing though... and to me it's huge.
FINALLY, 32bit Windows is DEAD. I still cannot fathom why Microsoft didn't shed 32bit support when Win10 launched.
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