Windows 11 problems

[nlinecomputers]

the best use of mental energy is to figure out how we do the same thing now.

and sometimes that means buying software that lets us do what we want to do. There is a risk whenever you change shells. Some update might frag the thing and leave you unable to boot to the desktop. But in 6 years of Windows 10, I have yet to see that happen.

 

[britechguy]

There is no one answer, really.

I know that my very, very strong inclination is to learn how to do whatever it is I need to do as the OS UI allows. I don't like things such as Start11, and mainly for the reason I mentioned.

I don't want to ever be in the situation where I'd find myself in front of a client machine and have no idea of how to do something in the native Windows UI. And I don't want my clients to be in that situation if they are, for whatever reason, having to use some random machine other than their own.

But in the end: Chacun à son goût.

 

[~Wendy~]

Anyone who is a willing and intentional early adopter of any new Windows version gets precisely what they deserve.

Sing it sistah!

 

[alexsmith2709]

@britechguy You mean like this abomination of a lock screen foisted upon us by Android 12?

Or the fact that everything feels fat and bubbly now in all the animations? Even my wife, who generally just uses stuff is off the rails irrationally angry at this sort of thing.

Yeah, it's "normal", but it doesn't make it any easier to deal with.

For those that haven't seen Android 12 yet... brace yourselves.

2 most annoying things i've found with android 12 on my pixel 4a is, before all i had to do for Google Pay was long hold the power button, now i cant do that, now its turn on the screen (but not unlock) and then press the little button in the bottom right corner or unlock the screen and then slide down the notification bar and then select google pay. Both methods take longer.
Also turning off all sound now takes 2 button presses instead of 1 when the screen is unlocked.
The fat and bubble feel is unneccessary in my eyes, i dont know why it was needed.

Like others have said about Windows 11 i will just take these changes in my stride, i'll learn to deal with them. I used a registry hack to get back the full right click menu in windows 11 as that was very frustrating having to extra click every time.
I dont like the new start menu as it seems to require searching for every application or doing the extra click of viewing all apps and the position of the view all apps and the power menu button is close close to the centre of the screen, but im sure i'll get used to it.

 

[Sky-Knight]

@alexsmith2709 I have a love/hate relationship with the new Win11 settings menu and the way the start menu is structured. The new organization is much more consistent, which I think will be a good thing over the long term. But we've all had a very long time to get used to Win10's insanity, and the related even greater insanity Win8 had before it.

So yeah, that bit we all just have to get used to. I think it'll be better in the long run but for right now I as well am searching for everything, often on Google because I'm simply lost in the new UI.

 

[Diggs]

Windows 11 is having cert problems that breaks some of it's own apps -

Expired certificate breaks Windows 11 built-in tools

And we're talking about shipped code, not some Insider beta, here

www.theregister.com

 

[Diggs]

Change for the sake of change isn't always a good thing.

That describes Google perfectly and it is getting old. Some new Google manager for this or that comes in and has to make their mark and piss on every tree just because.....

 

[Porthos]

Windows 11 is having cert problems that breaks some of it's own apps -

Expired certificate breaks Windows 11 built-in tools

And we're talking about shipped code, not some Insider beta, here

www.theregister.com

Windows 11 KB5008295 emergency update fixes built-in app mess

Microsoft has released the KB5008295 out-of-band update to address Windows 11 issues while opening or using some built-in apps and features due to an expired Microsoft digital certificate.

www.bleepingcomputer.com

 

[sapphirescales]

@Diggs @Porthos Sounds like Microsoft is so obsessed with adding new BS features that literally NO ONE asked for that they can't even be bothered to keep the OS itself running. In other words, business as usual for Microsoft since Windows 8. They still have learned absolutely NOTHING!

 

[Galdorf]

The task bar is stuck on the bottom you can`t do anything with it on dragging to side or top or resize seems this os is a step backwards from windows 10 it has features i am not interested in and that is why i am switching to linux so i can have things my way.

The menu i don`t like it too much clutter sometimes the menu won`t pop up and i can`t type in search bar i thought issues like this would have been ironed out by now .

The right click context menu i really don`t like it gets stuck sometimes and is really slow and changing the default web browser is a pain.

Bloat i don`t use one drive and teams and why won`t they let me opt out of advertising id and telemetry.

What is really funny is that the microsoft teams that is pre-installed is for home users only you have to un-install the pre-installed one and install the one for school and businesses.

 

[britechguy]

i am switching to linux so i can have things my way.

I say the following without a trace of snark: Then do.

Microsoft, like any other operating system maker, cannot possibly please all of the people all of the time, and that includes me. But in my personal calculus, and particularly given the business I'm in, I need to be as familiar as possible with how Windows (all supported versions, if possible) works. That's my bread and butter.

I have used Linux, and I have no objection to Linux. I actually like it, as I was a Unix geek at the outset of my career. But for those of us in the tech support business, there's no good reason to separate ourselves from Windows. In fact, I'd say doing so as far as using a different OS as our "daily driver" puts us at a distinct disadvantage. My non-Windows business is a very tiny fraction of my overall business. "What I like," is very, very secondary to knowing about how Windows works on a day to day basis as a user.

 

[GTP]

I have my feet firmly planted in both camps; Linux and Windoze.
So keeping up with the various developments is easier.

Oh, and I certainly do "have things my way."

 

[Sky-Knight]

I have my feet firmly planted in both camps; Linux and Windoze.
So keeping up with the various developments is easier.

Oh, and I certainly do "have things my way."

As do I, along with HyperV, vSphere, XenServer, ProxMox, and Azure.

I don't do AWS or GWS because honestly... I'm out of brain space for fabric.

But on the desktop side, Linux has its place, and Windows has its place. I'm not overly concerned about the 12th gen CPU compatibility issues, or Windows 11 at this time because it won't impact my client for some time yet. And by the time they do, the largest issues will be sorted.

So instead, I'm spending my time on improving automation and figuring out how to best cloud integrate folks that don't really want to be so integrated.

 

[Blues]

I am seriously considering a move to Linux and really the only reason for me is I want an OS where I have control. I also really don't play modern games or very few so I will be fine with my gaming needs. I have 2 other computers in the house and one is an aging laptop that will just become junk before I need to think about going past Windows 10 the other is a shared family desktop I suspect it will stay Windows though no plans to jump it to Windows 11 at this time. The family desktop is newish but it is a budget system for basic use running on an AMD Athlon 3000G. I would likely update to a Ryzen APU before taking it to Windows 11 but by then it might also be just time to replace.

I am stuck at a point in my setup where switching to a new OS and learning it though it going to be too time consuming to do any sooner than 5 months from now and by then who knows how Windows 11 will be looking and I can still stay on WIndows 10 for quite some time so the push hasn't turned into a shove yet.

 

[Philippe]

In fact, I'd say doing so as far as using a different OS as our "daily driver" puts us at a distinct disadvantage.

Nope. It's our job to adapt. Have enough clients (on Windows 1x), to work with it everyday. It's enough... don't need it as my "daily driver"...

 

[GTP]

I am seriously considering a move to Linux

I have a Dell netbook with a Celeron 3040 that I use for chatting on Signal and Steam.
Windblows 10 is a pita running the CPU at 100% and using 90% of its 2GB ram.
Trying to update it is an exercise in futility as well.

Enter MX Linux. Small footprint, fast and stable (based on Debian) its using half the resources that Windoze did.
It's XFCE desktop is very "Windows" like in its appearance and functionality.

I just installed MX Linux on a i7 8600 with 16GB ram and a 240GB M2. Its incredibly fast.

 

[britechguy]

There are so many Linux distros that no one could ever play with them all. Many, including Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, Minux and more are specifically targeted to be resource-light and to run well on very low powered hardware. And they're all great.

The above being said, and meant, they're also pretty useless if you have a need to run any Windows software whatsoever.

Linux is its own world, for all practical intents and purposes. Given how long it's been around, and how insanely popular it is in "the geek community" for use in data centers in particular, it's not going away, ever. But at the same time it has had way more than enough time to make inroads in the PC world, and it simply hasn't in any meaningful way with "the great unwashed." Linux is, and is likely to remain, a niche product. The number of different distros is really a minus as far as getting wider acceptance, as few among "the great unwashed" (and I'm among that group for many Linux distros) have any understanding or desire to understand the specific demographic a given distro is targeting.

This could change, though, as it's clear that Microsoft is now beginning "to dance" with both Android (also Linux based) and Linux itself. Only time will tell. But I'm not betting on Linux ever taking the world by storm on laptops and desktops in every home and office around the world.

 

[britechguy]

Have enough clients (on Windows 1x), to work with it everyday.

Hence, it's a daily driver. That's all that "daily driver" means to me, not that it's the one and only thing you "drive" every day. I know a lot of dual Mac/Windows users and Windows/Linux users but those would be using both of the noted OSes as "daily drivers."

My main point was that it would be folly to think it wise to even flirt with walking away from Windows in order to isolate oneself on some other OS. Doing what all of us do here, we must have familiarity with Windows at the top of our lists, unless you're someone who has made the choice to avoid most of the PC world. Clearly, you've not gone that route, and I know that I've not, either.

 

[GTP]

they're also pretty useless if you have a need to run any Windows software whatsoever.

Signal, Teamviewer, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, GIMP, Bleachbit, Steam, most (if not all) browsers and many many other mainstream titles are all "Windows software?"

 

[britechguy]

@Barcelona,

We all know that there are plenty of pieces of software that span platforms. We all also know that there are plenty of very commonly used pieces of software that absolutely do not.

There are plenty of titles that are "Windows Only" and you know that as well as anyone. And you can't ignore that truth.