Windows 11 problems

@fincoder

I'm saying "because security", and to a lesser extent "because future planned features need the new toys."

Microsoft is saying "because we said so", and since Windows isn't going anywhere anytime soon... We get to listen. Because running unsupported stuff is for tinkers and fools. Not something we can put into production in an age of skyrocketing E&O insurance.
 
Sky-Knight said:
"because future planned features need the new toys."
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Yeah, because all the "features" they've added to Windows over the last decade were ooooh soooo needed, right? I'm sure you couldn't live without inking in Edge or having Cortana annoy the crap out of you when you do a fresh install of Windows.

The truth of the matter is, Windows is a mature OS. They should stick to a simplistic, efficient UI (like Windows 7 was) and stay with it like Apple does. Microsoft needs to focus on creating great programs for Windows instead of adding useless "features" that literally NO ONE asked for. Apple has great FREE programs like iMovie. Microsoft used to have Movie Maker, which used to be a great program, but it's completely obsolete and useless nowadays since they haven't updated it in 10 years. Windows XP truly was the golden age of Microsoft. A simple, easy to use OS with an intuitive UI, amazing free programs like Windows Live Messenger, Windows Live Mail, Movie Maker, etc. That was when Microsoft actually gave a crap about their customers.
 
TPM has already been hacked so it is not secure not sure why Microsoft thought it would be the best security same goes for uefi has also been hacked.

Windows 11 is no more secure than 10 even less so if you are running tpm is not as secure as you think.
 
Galdorf said:
TPM has already been hacked so it is not secure not sure why Microsoft thought it would be the best security same goes for uefi has also been hacked.

Windows 11 is no more secure than 10 even less so if you are running tpm is not as secure as you think.
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Link? The only way I know of hacking a TPM chip requires physical access to the motherboard, usually by sodering but sometimes you can get lucky and clip onto pins. While this has concerns, realistically even if your laptop is stolen it is highly unlikely that the thief even knows what TPM is yet alone has the equipment to monitor.
 
@sapphirescales Your vision really is quite narrow, and it's not my job to fix that.

I will simply point out that no software is ever truly mature. As for the future and the needs of Windows 11, it's aiming at multi-architectural CPUs. Just like the new Macs, and yes these are "needed", because we're moving into a new world of greater possibility. Soon the only reason to even have a PC will be the fact that you can straddle all sorts of divides.

Everyone else will use tablets.

I love Windows 11, as I love 10. I loved XP for its time, but it also had plenty of warts. I do NOT miss all those virus removals. All the rest of what you state is rose tinted glasses. Apparently you're getting old! ;)

Live Messenger is now Skype / Teams
Windows Mail is still there... but largely offloaded to Outlook.com (thank heaven)
The loss off Movie Maker stings a bit... but there are multiple free alternatives that are better. I'm not going to mention names here, but if my 14 year old can find them and use them to run his own Twitch channel when he's bored... I'm pretty sure anyone can given they put in any sort of time or effort.

*edit* Learn something new every day, Movie Maker is now in the Windows 10 Photo's app. There's a Video Editor button at the top. Opening it reveals a modernized, and highly familiar interface...
 
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@Sky-Knight There comes a point where a UI is refined enough and familiar enough that you don't want to change it. Microsoft used to know this (95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, all had roughly the same UI), Android knows this, iOS and Mac OS knows this, etc. But for some reason Microsoft has become OBSESSED with screwing around with their UI, confusing and angering users in the process. An OS should be a simple tool like a hammer. You don't see hammer manufacturers adding new heads and weird crap sticking out of their new hammer models for no reason, do you?

Microsoft should be making changes under the hood. I don't want Windows XP back, I want the Windows XP UI back. Windows 7 would also be acceptable. Windows 11 is the first version of Windows in a long, long time that actually looks and feels cohesive, but they made some really stupid changes for literally no reason other than for the sake of change. Centering the Start menu and pinned programs? Bad move. Having a Start menu more barren and less useful than the Windows 95 Start menu? Bad move. Getting rid of the option to move the Taskbar? Bad move. No longer being able to display Taskbar labels? Another bad move. Removing options from the right click context menu and changing common items like copy/paste into icons instead of text? WTF, Microsoft?! Grouping all the Taskbar buttons like sound, WiFi, etc., adding unnecessary clicks to access basic functionality like bringing up a list of WiFi networks. REALLY bad move. I'm not looking forward to the support calls from this. Seriously, I'd rather use the Windows 95 UI than the Windows 11 UI. The only thing they've gotten right is the Settings app.

Microsoft needs to settle on a good UI and STAY WITH IT. NOBODY wants to have to re-learn how to use their freaking computer for literally NO reason. Why do you think people think Macs are "easy to use?" Because Apple isn't constantly pulling the rug out from under them and making them re-learn everything from scratch!
 
Yeah but you can reset the UI on Win11 to be left aligned. And once you do, and swap it to the dark palate it's all but identical to Windows 10 in appearance. It works a little differently, but not enough that I'm overly concerned about it.

I'm more annoyed the settings menu is reorganized, but the search still works... so meh.

The taskbar being movable off the bottom has already been confirmed to be added at some point in the near future. The rest? I'm back to meh... I didn't even notice.

I'll trade the more cohesive UI to what we have currently... and I'll take the future AMD64 / ARM dual execution abilities in containers thanks... that's how we do on and off prem apps in the same place, while also having easy dev tools to make more tools. Otherwise known as, everything that made MS all the monster they are today.

PCs are for creators... not consumers. Win11 is playing to that goal, as all previous versions of Windows before it did.
 
@sapphirescales said:

An OS should be a simple tool like a hammer.
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Interesting. Comparing a somewhat primitive tool to do one extremely simple job with that of an Operating System with millions of lines of code. Like I said, interesting. Probably wouldn't have gone there to make that point.
 
@Galdorf

over the last few years we have been witness to various UEFI firmware vulnerabilities affecting thousands of devices that allow disabling or bypassing Secure Boot,"
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Windows 11 will not boot without secure boot enabled... so if you bypass it or turn it off... no boot. Secure boot deals with this, UEFI doesn't on its own.

But yes, this is part of the reason why all modern systems need at least quarterly firmware updates for the mainboard. It not only flashes over potential infections, but in theory sorts out those security problems. Because yeah... we have to security patch the bloody BIOS now.
 
@thatdude I'm talking about the UI, not the OS itself. The UI should be simple. Obviously under the hood things are not so simple. The underlying function of an OS is simple - offer an intuitive UI so that the user can run programs on top of it and have access to their data. I'm sure there's lots of physics involved in designing a good hammer, but to the end user, all that matters is that it's easy to use and does what they need it to. It's the same thing with an OS. This is one thing that Apple gets right and that's why people love Mac OS and iOS.

Guys, I'm not talking about all the under the hood stuff when I'm talking about OS's - I'm talking about the UI and that's it. Give people Windows 11's security with a Windows XP/7 UI and 99.999999% of people would absolutely love it.
 
sapphirescales said:
An OS should be a simple tool like a hammer.
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So true. OS = Operating System = the basic things needed to let your device run other programs.
This tool should be (UI wise) the same. Think of your car: if every other months the wheel & pedals & gauges move around -> No one would like it. Think about the hammer, same function, same use so you can rely on it. Sure, maybe some slight improvements in materials or design, but you grab it and know how to use it. Why? it's basically the same... it should be the same for an Operating System.

"News and Interests" on the taskbar anyone? Not the function of an OS.
Hidden notification icons, including the a/v : bad design, still here from XP's days...
 
I've been getting a bunch of calls from customers saying their computer "Doesn't meet the requirements to upgrade to Windows 11", so this must be showing up as a notification or something. I'm guessing it's related to the TPM requirements, but it's making my customers panic. :(
 
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Yeah if you open the settings menu for any purpose the notice tends to find its way into your view.

Microsoft not clearly indicating this doesn't really matter until 2024 doesn't help matters. But a few phone calls aren't a bad thing, it's an opportunity for customer contact and future planning.
 
sapphirescales said:
@thatdude I'm talking about the UI, not the OS itself. The UI should be simple. Obviously under the hood things are not so simple. The underlying function of an OS is simple - offer an intuitive UI so that the user can run programs on top of it and have access to their data. I'm sure there's lots of physics involved in designing a good hammer, but to the end user, all that matters is that it's easy to use and does what they need it to. It's the same thing with an OS. This is one thing that Apple gets right and that's why people love Mac OS and iOS.

Guys, I'm not talking about all the under the hood stuff when I'm talking about OS's - I'm talking about the UI and that's it. Give people Windows 11's security with a Windows XP/7 UI and 99.999999% of people would absolutely love it.
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This is where Apple really eats Microsoft's lunch. If I had a time machine and retrieved two computer users from a couple of decades ago - one Apple and one Microsoft. The Apple user could pick up right where they left off. The Microsoft user would struggle.

From a UI standpoint Windows 7 was top notch. I wish they had just locked in on that and kept improving things under the hood.

What's really aggravating is that if you're going to change the UI, then CHANGE the UI. When they went to 8 and then 10 they still had control panel items. They're still there now in 11. smh
 
From the article: "To successfully abuse the bug, attackers would either need access to the owner's credentials or physical access to the device."

If an attacker has either of these, it's pretty much "Game Over" regardless of whatever other security measures are in place.

This is another of those security issues that while important if you operate, as the article clearly states, "within enterprise environments," that is simply not relevant or applicable to the vast majority of users.
 
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