Windows 11 problems

[Galdorf]

For a released product windows 11 sure is buggy atm getting reports from customers that software is crashing or not running took a look at them checked forums indeed other people are having same issues with that software nothing i can do really have to wait for Microsoft to fix it.

Alot of popular and current software are having issues telling my customers to wait 6 months till they iron them out and roll back to windows 10.

 

[britechguy]

Anyone who is a willing and intentional early adopter of any new Windows version gets precisely what they deserve.

I can count on less than one hand the number of people I know of who are currently running Windows 11 (and that's really not all that many, to be honest) who did not "force update" to Windows 11, even prior to it being offered.

It is always wise, unless you have a high pain tolerance, to avoid the "bleeding edge" period for anything, but particularly Windows. Windows 11 isn't going away, but the issues of the shake-out period will. Wait at least six months for any mission critical hardware before you even think about upgrading to Windows 11.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Have a couple of clients that updated....no issues.
I've been running 2x of my rigs on the insider preview whatever....when did that come out, mid summer or so. Honestly...runs fine, zero issues.

But yeah, not rolling it out to clients for close to a year....business computers typically stay behind a bit because of so many peripherals that need to "officially" support it.

 

[nlinecomputers]

For a released product windows 11 sure is buggy atm getting reports from customers that software is crashing or not running took a look at them checked forums indeed other people are having same issues with that software nothing i can do really have to wait for Microsoft to fix it.

Alot of popular and current software are having issues telling my customers to wait 6 months till they iron them out and roll back to windows 10.

What programs are not working? Windows 11 is Windows 10 with a new paint job. I find it highly unlikely that ANY program that can run on Win 10 build 21H1 is going to fail on Windows 11.

 

[Sky-Knight]

I've got it out in a few places, zero reported issues so far. I even put it on my son's AMD system, which is supposed to suffer a performance hit, which he hasn't noticed.

Not a lot of data yet of course, but as usual... I seem to "not be having" whatever problem the media claims is wrong with Windows.

 

[sapphirescales]

I even put it on my son's AMD system, which is supposed to suffer a performance hit, which he hasn't noticed.

That's because the CPU hasn't been a bottleneck for over a decade nowadays (unless you buy some Walmart crap box). A performance hit of 15% means nothing if you usually only use 20% or less of your CPU's power. Even an older AMD processor like the Ryzen 5 1600 is more than enough for 99% of people. Heck, even an old pre-Ryzen CPU like the FX-8320E is perfectly fast enough for doing the basics. It wouldn't be good for gaming, of course, and I wouldn't even recommend it for casual users, but not because it's not powerful enough, but because the board would be pre-UEFI, and with the age it would be less reliable than something newer. But JUST looking at the CPU power, if you could get that CPU to work with a modern motherboard, I'd be recommending them to my basic clients.

 

[Galdorf]

What programs are not working? Windows 11 is Windows 10 with a new paint job. I find it highly unlikely that ANY program that can run on Win 10 build 21H1 is going to fail on Windows 11.

Compatibility issues have been found between Oracle VirtualBox and Windows 11​

https://windowsreport.com/winrar-not-working-windows-11/

https://windowsreport.com/netflix-4k-not-working-windows-11/

https://betanews.com/2021/10/11/mic...oblems-with-apps-using-unusual-registry-keys/

 

[Sky-Knight]

That's because the CPU hasn't been a bottleneck for over a decade nowadays (unless you buy some Walmart crap box). A performance hit of 15% means nothing if you usually only use 20% or less of your CPU's power. Even an older AMD processor like the Ryzen 5 1600 is more than enough for 99% of people. Heck, even an old pre-Ryzen CPU like the FX-8320E is perfectly fast enough for doing the basics. It wouldn't be good for gaming, of course, and I wouldn't even recommend it for casual users, but not because it's not powerful enough, but because the board would be pre-UEFI, and with the age it would be less reliable than something newer. But JUST looking at the CPU power, if you could get that CPU to work with a modern motherboard, I'd be recommending them to my basic clients.

Yes, but he's on a Ryzen 5 5600G using the onboard graphics. A CPU slowdown means a GPU slowdown and directly impacts the games he's playing. Unless it really is only a CPU limit, and isn't somehow impacting the GPU side.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Compatibility issues have been found between Oracle VirtualBox and Windows 11​

https://windowsreport.com/winrar-not-working-windows-11/

WinRAR isn't working? Use 7zip like a sane person... (Seriously why would you PAY for a tool that does this?)
CCleaner isn't working? GOOD STOP IT, this app doesn't belong on anyone's machine... ever... for any purpose anymore. We aren't running XP, these days are gone. The stupid thing is a viral infection vector these days more than anything.

As for Virtualbox, Windows 11 enforces VM Security features in the CPU, Virtualbox, VMWare and everyone else that makes desktop virtualization products are going to have to fix some things in this space. So this stuff not working makes perfect sense. It'll all be resolved in less than 90 days, which is yet another reason why you do not use a new feature release in production for six months! MS is badly communicating in this space too... Which isn't helping.

I swear people just love making their own hair fall out!

 

[britechguy]

I swear people just love making their own hair fall out!

And assisting it by pulling, hard!

 

[Galdorf]

WinRAR isn't working? Use 7zip like a sane person... (Seriously why would you PAY for a tool that does this?)
CCleaner isn't working? GOOD STOP IT, this app doesn't belong on anyone's machine... ever... for any purpose anymore. We aren't running XP, these days are gone. The stupid thing is a viral infection vector these days more than anything.

As for Virtualbox, Windows 11 enforces VM Security features in the CPU, Virtualbox, VMWare and everyone else that makes desktop virtualization products are going to have to fix some things in this space. So this stuff not working makes perfect sense. It'll all be resolved in less than 90 days, which is yet another reason why you do not use a new feature release in production for six months!

I swear people just love making their own hair fall out!

i have a list of 20 programs that don`t work or crash many of them are popular software then there is the ryzen issue loosing up to 30% fps in games.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Compatibility issues have been found between Oracle VirtualBox and Windows 11​

https://windowsreport.com/winrar-not-working-windows-11/

https://windowsreport.com/netflix-4k-not-working-windows-11/

https://betanews.com/2021/10/11/mic...oblems-with-apps-using-unusual-registry-keys/

Winrar...lol...I haven't seen that used much since the Win2K or Vista days. Jeeze since Windows XP, zip files are natively supported. So the other 3 people in the world that don't know that, use freebie programs to unzip.

VirtualBox...I doubt many "hosts" of legacy OS's will be updating the hosts anyways.

"Apps using unusual registry keys"...well, that'll learn 'em, use USUAL registry keys, follow the guidelines!!!

...talk about media over hype over nothing! I'll take real world experience of many techs that oversee many computers, over the word of overhyping media blowing things out of proportion to try to make sales.

 

[Galdorf]

Winrar...lol...I haven't seen that used much since the Win2K or Vista days. Jeeze since Windows XP, zip files are natively supported. So the other 3 people in the world that don't know that, use freebie programs to unzip.

VirtualBox...I doubt many "hosts" of legacy OS's will be updating the hosts anyways.

"Apps using unusual registry keys"...well, that'll learn 'em, use USUAL registry keys, follow the guidelines!!!

...talk about media over hype over nothing! I'll take real world experience of many techs that oversee many computers, over the word of overhyping media blowing things out of proportion to try to make sales.

how about quickbooks getting many calls from my many bookkeeper clients they are saying as soon as they upgraded to windows 11 it either crashes very often or will not launch. got them to roll back to windows 10 no issues after.

 

[nlinecomputers]

how about quickbooks getting many calls from my many bookkeeper clients they are saying as soon as they upgraded to windows 11 it either crashes very often or will not launch. got them to roll back to windows 10 no issues after.

Not seen any of that. But why are you upgrading ANY of your clients to 11? I can't believe a bookkeeper would do so on their own and Windows 11 is NOT automatically upgrading. SO they would have to pull the trigger themselves. I have not had ONE client ask about 11. Nobody even knows about it.

 

[rhsiv]

Recently built my first Win11 VM for testing purposes only. I'm just assuming someday soon that one of our clients will call with a problem they have with their new 11 laptop they didn't tell us that were buying... I've just been messing around with it, it's nice to know what to look out for with the comments I'm seeing here.

 

[britechguy]

Nobody even knows about it.

Oh, believe me, there is the contingent that "I need whatever's newest, preferably last week," contingent. I endlessly deal with these not so much in my daily business, but in blind and low vision technology groups. And those are venues where the participants should really, really know better than to be early adopters. The prior disasters from early adoption, which were well publicized, with accessibility technology are a warning that should not be ignored.

What's really maddening is if you ask, in the sweetest of tones, "What is it in Windows 11 that you're seeking it out for?," the answer is either silence or, "I don't know." Then, for the love of Pete, you DON'T NEED IT YET.

I refuse to assist in a Windows 11 upgrade. We're definitely still in the "shake-out cruise" period and there is no pressing reason whatsoever to do so. And as part of refusing I explain that and that waiting after any new Windows version comes out, for a minimum of six months, is the wise course of action. And depending on what is being reported that isn't the one-in-a-hundred-thousand-users aberration, it could be that waiting longer will be indicated.

 

[britechguy]

I've just been messing around with it, it's nice to know what to look out for with the comments I'm seeing here.

By the way, I do not include professional techs to ever be in the "don't need it yet" class, and for precisely the reason you mention. But it would be in a VM or on a test box.

 

[nlinecomputers]

Oh, believe me, there is the contingent that "I need whatever's newest, preferably last week," contingent.

I don't really see that with my clients but I'm almost 100% business-based. They want it to work and not change. Change is just confusing for no benefit. Ironically they will run right out and buy the latest iPhone or whatever but the work computer is a tool and they want it to work like it always had.

 

[Metanis]

I haven't touched a Win11 machine yet. But every article I read seems severely overblown.

The only Windows update I truly hated was Windows ME. That was a hot stinking mess.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Quickbooks utilizes files in %programdata%, and %userprofile%, as well as the machine local user registry hives....

But it's the crap in %programdata%\Intuit\Entitlement Client that poses the largest constant thorn. That folder contains the LICENSE and ACTIVATION DATA for the local install. They're notorious for puking after any feature update, much less one that magics together a new OS.

Intuit won't officially support Windows 11 until QB2022 at best anyway, which puts it all solidly on the list of WTF are you doing upgrading right now? Do you want your hair to fall out? Because this is how you go bald...

If you're addicted to the latest tech, and a QB user, you should have the above folder burned into your brain already, nuke it, launch QB again, and watch it "work" or not. Most likely the former, because this is all I have to do to get QB2014 to current working on Windows 10, and again this happens intermittently on any machine that goes through a feature update.

It's not the feature update's fault, it's Intuit's fault for making garbage software.