Who hires women to work with them

[acesdeals]

The country i live in women press charges against men all the time for harassment, in some cases they just do it to get something or to ruin the guys life. I dont want to go on hiring women because i just dont want the risk even though all my friends say to hire them cause they are hot and will bring in business lol.

I am just too scared. I dont want to be labeled as a harasser even if your found innocent its still there for the world to know.

If i do find a highly qualified girl that is extremely techy well i wont turn them down. Probably will have cameras throughout the store though to keep me protected from THEM as well as theft.

Thoughts on this at all??

 

[ICEinLAVA]

If you have a seperate office, put a camera in there too.

I would assume that the women that apply for jobs and claim discrimination, do this constantly with other companies. if you double check their resume you may find out that they have little to no experience in the desired line of work you are hiring for. Also make sure your not talking with one of their friends instead of a previous employer by asking questiosn that only the employer would know.

 

[FoolishTech]

The country i live in women press charges against men all the time for harassment, in some cases they just do it to get something or to ruin the guys life.

I'm just gonna guess that you must also live in the US of A... Well to be honest I think a lot of the stigma attached to women in the workplace and the potential for sexual harassment is partially urban legend. The greatest fear of "man" is fear of the unknown, and that is exactly what you are staring at when you ponder questions such as these. I believe if you were to actually work with your average woman you wouldn't have these fears and this wouldn't even be a consideration...

Also make sure your not talking with one of their friends instead of a previous employer by asking questiosn that only the employer would know.

Here in the US it is against the law for a former employer to answer ANY questions about a previous employee except their position, title, and dates of employment. If you can prove that a previous employer said more than that, they are liable in a court of law. Now, that isn't to say they won't tell you whatever you ask, as if it could be proven by anyone...

Also, about the camera thing - my previous employer had a camera in every room except the tech room. He was a freak about that sort of thing. It started with being security for the front end of the store, then the parking lot in front of the store, then security for the rear exits. One will be in the tech room before long I guarantee. So there's nothing to stop you from doing that.

Just remember if you're gonna be a freak about it, to use cameras that record voice as well. Sexual harassment can be verbal as well. I currently work for a non-profit dedicated to the victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Trust me on that one.

Regardless, to the OP if you say you are apprehensive about hiring women for this reason, but also say you would still hire one that is QUALIFIED, then I don't understand your question to the community... Would you be looking for a potential mate in the hiring process or are you simply hiring a tech?? If it's the former, then don't worry about it!!! If it's the latter, then by all means hire a male or you WILL get yourself into trouble down the road at some point...

Otherwise just hire whoever is most qualified for your position. What's the argument?!?

And what even brought this on? Do you have a qualified female applicant already that you are considering? Is that person more qualified than your male applicants? Is that person "hot"??? Did you interview a woman and did it go well or not?

I'm afraid this thread might turn into a misogynistic stack of B.S. Be careful where you're taking this...

 

[OldSchoolPC]

Thought I'd add my .02 cents. I have worked in retail management for years, prior to and during being a PC Service professional. Any woman can do the job of a man, just as good, if not better. There are some jobs that a "typical" woman may excel at or suck at. For instance, a man may be able to handle an irate customer screaming at the top of their lungs, better than a woman. A woman, may be able to diffuse such a situation in the first place. So actually, being proactive is always better than reactive so I'd go for a chick for customer complaints, then have a guy step in if things get out of hand. In the realm of customer service (e.g. secretary), a chick is more likely to have a pleasant voice. So points there as well. As for sex appeal.... well, with the aforementioned retail management experience... having a hot chick visible to customers drastically increases sales. If a guy normally gets coffee once in the morning, he might up it to twice to see the pretty girl behind the counter. Don't think that would help for computers. Wouldn't want clients coming in 5 times a day, every day until the computer is done just to scope out the chick. For onsite techs, I wouldn't want to have a chick doing the work IF they don't "look" like they know how to fix a computer. It is not that "I" prejudge, but a client potentially will. If I were hiring, I'd consider a chick for ANY position. Secretary (especially), bench tech, onsite tech (if she looks the part) or parts return (especially). As for sexual harassment. For criminal issues you are innocent until proven guilty. For civil issues, the burden of proof is still on her. Just don't act like a fool. </rant>

 

[16k_zx81]

You have to ask yourself about the wisdom of encouraging this guy to hire women... the reason being the workplace itself sounds hostile and would likely be a very stressful place for women to work in, given OP's attitude. Im not talking about harrassment in a formal sense, just about subtleties of male power and attitudinal issues that could make this workplace very difficult.

I seriously everyone would be better off (him, employees) if he were to stick to only hiring male staff.

 

[acesdeals]

I'm just gonna guess that you must also live in the US of A... Well to be honest I think a lot of the stigma attached to women in the workplace and the potential for sexual harassment is partially urban legend. The greatest fear of "man" is fear of the unknown, and that is exactly what you are staring at when you ponder questions such as these. I believe if you were to actually work with your average woman you wouldn't have these fears and this wouldn't even be a consideration...



Here in the US it is against the law for a former employer to answer ANY questions about a previous employee except their position, title, and dates of employment. If you can prove that a previous employer said more than that, they are liable in a court of law. Now, that isn't to say they won't tell you whatever you ask, as if it could be proven by anyone...

Also, about the camera thing - my previous employer had a camera in every room except the tech room. He was a freak about that sort of thing. It started with being security for the front end of the store, then the parking lot in front of the store, then security for the rear exits. One will be in the tech room before long I guarantee. So there's nothing to stop you from doing that.

Just remember if you're gonna be a freak about it, to use cameras that record voice as well. Sexual harassment can be verbal as well. I currently work for a non-profit dedicated to the victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Trust me on that one.

Regardless, to the OP if you say you are apprehensive about hiring women for this reason, but also say you would still hire one that is QUALIFIED, then I don't understand your question to the community... Would you be looking for a potential mate in the hiring process or are you simply hiring a tech?? If it's the former, then don't worry about it!!! If it's the latter, then by all means hire a male or you WILL get yourself into trouble down the road at some point...

Otherwise just hire whoever is most qualified for your position. What's the argument?!?

And what even brought this on? Do you have a qualified female applicant already that you are considering? Is that person more qualified than your male applicants? Is that person "hot"??? Did you interview a woman and did it go well or not?

I'm afraid this thread might turn into a misogynistic stack of B.S. Be careful where you're taking this...

Well i mentioned i was worried but if a very qualified candidate applied i would have no choice but to hire and then have cameras everywhere.

I am just worried as you mentioned the fear of the unknown and risk losing my business. I have not hired anybody just yet i am working opening my store soon and just wanted to have some thoughts.

My friend had a job at a prison and got fired because an inmate or visitor i dont remember exactly accused him of something and he was put on leave, in the end he was found not guilty but he left anyways and got a security job instead. It was stressful for him during the process, and of course watching the news about such stories, but no personal experiences on my part.

The points about girls being better at dealing with people are true, but so far my customers praise me quite a bit of course in the store i will be dealing with repairs more than customers.

I will probably hire my sis as she needs a job while attending college. I dont have to worry about a harassment charge from her just maybe some attitude since shes young.

 

[seedubya]

Are you for real? You do know that women are actually the same species as you, right?

Women are far better employees in most cases, more professional, harder working and more efficient. The best tech I ever had was a woman. As for the harassment thing - really? Mind you, if you're the kind of idiot that hires a woman because she's "hot" you're pretty much bound to find yourself in trouble for harassment at some point because you're obviously a sexist already. Women, like men, are either good at their jobs or not. That should be your only consideration as a potential employer.

The only guy I ever knew who got sued for sexual harassment had habit if feeling women up from behind. He was a doctor and my wife (a nurse) reported him to the police for sexual assault. 16 more nurses had previously made complaints too. He had a great lawyer and got off on the indecent assault charge - but was soon after dismissed from the hospital - the internal disciplinary procedure ruled on balance of probability NOT reasonable doubt. Later that year I met him in a bar and he tried to hit me only to have his nose and cheek broken when I defended myself. As far as I'm aware he had to emigrate to get work - this is a small country.

 

[Holzster]

In general female computer tech's are better than male tech because in general females have more patients than males, & with that they get more done & talk to customers better.
I am a male and always liked working with females because of that reason.

 

[tempusfugit]

A) men can file sexual harassment against other men. They can also charge you with age, race, religious, and any other discrimination. Workers comp, wrongful termination, the list goes on.

B) if you're that worried, you should hire someone to take over applications, reference checks, background checks, interviews, hiring.

C) I don't know why I'm responding to such a baseless idea.

 

[tempusfugit]

in general females have more patients than males

Wait so maybe he's actually on to something with the hot girls bringing in more "patients"

Sorry.couldnt.help.it

 

[NETWizz]

I think women make great employees because they don't goof around or do stupid things as often as men. They are also less likely to lie, break laws, etc. I.e. they won't even likely speed in the company vehicle.

I say to hire regardless of gender if qualified. That said, if it was just me and 1 other person, it may be awkward to hire a woman not that I would do anything inappropriate or unprofessional... I am just saying that if you have several employees it helps to have some of both.

 

[ICEinLAVA]

Here in the US it is against the law for a former employer to answer ANY questions about a previous employee except their position, title, and dates of employment. If you can prove that a previous employer said more than that, they are liable in a court of law.

My advice was not suggested for women only. The advice should be considered when hiring anyone. Ideally you want the best person for the job and if the best person is only on paper, it is not going to work out for you.

When i said talk with the previous employer, i meant you should double check their resume. Make sure that the company phone number makes the company in the phonebook or internet, verify that she actually worked there, verify their salary. anything that doesn't match, could be falsified and reason not to hire that person.

Just remember if you're gonna be a freak about it, to use cameras that record voice as well. Sexual harassment can be verbal as well. I currently work for a non-profit dedicated to the victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Trust me on that one.

if you do decide to also record video, depending on your state, you may be required to post signage stating that you are recording audio. and it is best to have the sign visible with the person walking by. Any audio recording without notification to the person being recorded, cannot be used in a court.

 

[callthatgirl]

Tell us about your marketing plan for the new store. This is probably something you should be more worried about than employees you aren't needing to hire yet. And it's more appropriate for this forum.

 

[16k_zx81]

Tell us about your marketing plan for the new store. This is probably something you should be more worried about than employees you aren't needing to hire yet. And it's more appropriate for this forum.

Aww cmon... dont you find it entertaining?

 

[callthatgirl]

Of course I do, but I had to stop myself....

I believe in keeping men and women in their specific gender roles at my company. Women do all the hard work, men do all the easy work.

 

[Cambridge PC Support]

sorry, did we just step back in time 50 years?

 

[seedubya]

OT - so is getting references from previous employers disallowed in the States?

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

A) men can file sexual harassment against other men. They can also charge you with age, race, religious, and any other discrimination. Workers comp, wrongful termination, the list goes on.

B) if you're that worried, you should hire someone to take over applications, reference checks, background checks, interviews, hiring.

C) I don't know why I'm responding to such a baseless idea.

I was about to say the same thing...and then saw that tempus had it covered...so I'll "QFT" and bump his reply.

OP...you are crossing a bridge...the bridge of growing, and part of that is hiring employees. These days..doesn't matter of it's a female or a male. Historically, yes..you could say that it was more "females" that may have brought up SH stuff. But lets face it..these days...it's from both sides. Plenty of..uhm...hmmm..."new age guys" I guess is the best name I can come up with..that can give you the same grief.

If you're going to cross the bridge and hire someone...just suck it up and do it. If you're going to worry about stuff like what you are...then don't hire.

We are VERY loose and expressive in our office....and my colleague and I consider that heavily when we interview people...we state that right up front during the second round of interviews. We use our judgement in accessing the personality type of the potential hire that we're interviewing. We want to hire someone that can handle the way we roll our office..period.

 

[Martyn]

sorry, did we just step back in time 50 years?

+1 ...........................................

 

[Xander]

Tell us about your marketing plan for the new store.

I've got my marketing plan ALLLLL worked out