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So what is really possible. What is the vaporware vs the real available stuff. Anyone working with home automation?

I know you can get a thermostat changeable by your i-phone but what else is possible? Affordable? Practical? Usable?

Is there anything more advanced than x10?
 
So what is really possible. What is the vaporware vs the real available stuff. Anyone working with home automation?

I know you can get a thermostat changeable by your i-phone but what else is possible? Affordable? Practical? Usable?

Is there anything more advanced than x10?

For me, "practical" is the key word here. I have a hard time thinking of a circumstance in which I lamented not having the ability to remotely interact with some device or appliance in my house. Sure, it might be cool, but I have yet to find a compelling enough reason to go down this road.
 
Home automation is a hobby of mine. I haven't updated my personal website for my home automation but feel free to get some ideas. http://www.sarceno.com/hal/hal.php

It's not that expensive. First I would recommend is to get yourself a good home automation program. I used HAL (Home automation living) but homesheer is also good. These are web base program that is also design for tablet, smartphone and PDA. SO whatever you can control on the PC you can control it remotely. You will also need to invest on a modem. Yes, modem is not obsolete for home automation. Using special voice grade modem, will allow you to use your cell phone to talk to your home pc.

Once you have a PC and the program then you can start buying your devices. Start with a few X10 ($25) or livingstone ($100) light control switch. Then, using the MIC on you PC, you can command the light to go on or off. You can do the same thing with a browser.

The next step is to put mic's all over your house and connect it to the PC MIC Input. (it's more complex but you got the point) This will make things voice activated for the whole house.

There a lot of things you can do with home automation
1) ONce you have the whole house mic implemented, connect the whole house speaker to the PC speaker output. Then you can do Voice activated to play music on the PC or as a PA system.
2) Change thermostat when you set the security alarm for night or day
3) Write a script that will capture the weather or traffic and play it on the PC as part of your alarm clock.
4) Voice activated TV (I got the schematic on my site- http://www.sarceno.com/hal/project/video_equipment.gif)
5) Turn off the water sprinkle if it's raining. ($50)(http://www.sarceno.com/hal/hal.php?ml=hal&dir=&sub=RainSensor)
6) AT night, make sure the garage door is close (< $50)(http://www.sarceno.com/hal/hal.php?ml=hal&dir=&sub=GarageSensor
7) Announce on the whole house speaker that the washer or dryer is done. No more waiting. You can also get a text msg if you don't want it announce.
8) If the TV is still on after 10pm, automatically announce on the whole house speaker telling your kids to turn it off and go to bed.
9) Announce caller ID on the whole house or text (required voice grade modem)
10) Since you know when the light is on or off, you can start gathering statistic.
11) Here's one of my perl script gathering the data from weather.com

Me: Computer, How is the weather today?
Computer: As of 8:53 am, the temperature was 37 degrees. The Barometer is 29.84 with a humidity of 76 percent. The visibility is 10 miles and Dewpoint is at 30 degree. Sunrise at 7:16Aam and sunset at 4:46 pm. Today forecase, A mix of clouds and sun. High near 50F. Winds light and variable

Me: How about tonight?
Computer: Partly cloudy skies. Low 32F. Winds west southwest at 5 to 10 miles per hour.

Me: And what about tomorrow?
Computer: Intervals of clouds and sunshine. High 51F. Winds north northwest at 5 to 10 miles per hour. And Tomorrow night A few clouds. Cold. Low 28F. Winds light and variable.

The limitation is that you have to say the exact phrase.


The imagination is up to you on what you can do. It sounds too futuristic but not really once you see how things are put together.
 
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This year we'll see a big push, as many companies are diving into the "affordable" realm of this in an effort to get home automation to the masses.

A big home product retail in the US, "Lowes", has partnered with UK based "AlertMe" to bring their home automation product to the market. Calling it "Iris".

A month ago I actually read up on it after receiving a flyer in the mail. My driving goal is more HVAC control and efficiency, lowering monthly costs of heating/cooling. However I find these products are all about residual income...they get you with online plans that have monthly subscription fees. There goes any savings. And of course if you want to control lights, lamps, TVs....gotta purchase devices for the outlets. Would take >10 years to recoop that cost back.

I'm sure the video surveillance is a cheap camera set too. "Get what you pay for" I always say.

Agree with Silver....an initial cool factor, but ultimately just more fluff to get in your way. I want LESS reasons to pick up my phone, not more.
 
For me, "practical" is the key word here. I have a hard time thinking of a circumstance in which I lamented not having the ability to remotely interact with some device or appliance in my house. Sure, it might be cool, but I have yet to find a compelling enough reason to go down this road.

Same here.
I had the X10 "Firecracker" and a handful of modules back 13 year ago. It was fun to muck with but really, I can't see much use for that stuff now, no real advantage to my life.
My garage door can be opened by my smartphone... but that's about it as far as automation goes... unless you consider my XBMC setup.
 
For me, "practical" is the key word here. I have a hard time thinking of a circumstance in which I lamented not having the ability to remotely interact with some device or appliance in my house. Sure, it might be cool, but I have yet to find a compelling enough reason to go down this road.
Pretty much sums it up for me, too. The closest thing I've got to a 'need' for this is that I like to leave a light on for the dogs when I'm out. If I leave, say, mid-afternoon and find I'm not back til later, I might like the ability to turn on a single bulb for them. It doesn't really happen enough to merit the expense and I often leave the front blinds open anyway so they'll get streetlight light coming in anyway.
 
I don't work with this stuff but I have a friend who has his whole home automated.

All of his blind and drapes are motor controlled and run on timed events. Thermostat, Sprinklers, lights, and garage door all run from the system. He can press a button in living room and all the drapes close, the lights dim to almost dark and the tv, dvr, roku, etc, power up.

He has panic buttons in his bedrooms so that he can press a button and turn on ALL the lights, indoor and out. Or kill all the lights.

And he can also run all of this from his phone or iPad. Don't recall the brand name but it's not X-10.
 
There's an Elk system that is a security system at heart but expandable to control lighting, thermostats, and pretty much anything else. It's a fairly open platform that lets you do some amazing things if you have the skill to program it.
 
Are you talking about for yourself, or as part of your business?

For myself, I don't have a big need, but there are a lot of my customers that buy things I never would, so it's worth looking into.

Many big companies have started to spend money offering this stuff, so there must be something they see out there. It may turn out to be a specialized field, like alarms and surveillance.
 
I do like the idea of opening and closing the shades to help with passive solar heating and cooling. No one in my house turns lights/fans off so I had to install timers in both bathrooms for lights and overhead fans.

I especially like the unit that allows you to monitor how much electricity each device is using so that you could learn and make adjustments in use or purchases to reduce same.

I think when you see the cabinets tell you that the floor has weables, salt is low, you have no more canned veggies in inventory and refrigerator able to tell you that the milk is out of date and you only have 2 eggs left, there is an onion smell so bring home some backing soda then send you an email this thing will take off.

Also integrate with home security.....how many times have you wanted to know who came and gone when you were out? which kid left the mess after school, which brother in law dropped by and had four shots of vodka. Not to mention this would be the thing to make me finally install a DVR unit to watch outside my house. Next time maria says you never take out the trash I will have the last 100 times recorded to play for her. :)

With each device HVAC, DVR and such you may be able to buy an enabled controller but it adds a few hundred to few thousand dollars. When this stuff is all controlled by a home window server for example then everything else can be dumb terminal equivalents at rock bottom prices. Comfort and value will likely be the two biggest elements of demand.
 
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Both, I had a friend ask and I have not researched it for about 7 years. Back then it was x25 smarthome technology through radio shack.


Are you talking about for yourself, or as part of your business?

For myself, I don't have a big need, but there are a lot of my customers that buy things I never would, so it's worth looking into.

Many big companies have started to spend money offering this stuff, so there must be something they see out there. It may turn out to be a specialized field, like alarms and surveillance.
 
I do like the idea of opening and closing the shades to help with passive solar heating and cooling. No one in my house turns lights/fans off so I had to install timers in both bathrooms for lights and overhead fans.

I especially like the unit that allows you to monitor how much electricity each device is using so that you could learn and make adjustments in use or purchases to reduce same.

I think when you see the cabinets tell you that the floor has weables, salt is low, you have no more canned veggies in inventory and refrigerator able to tell you that the milk is out of date and you only have 2 eggs left, there is an onion smell so bring home some backing soda then send you an email this thing will take off.

Also integrate with home security.....how many times have you wanted to know who came and gone when you were out? which kid left the mess after school, which brother in law dropped by and had four shots of vodka. Not to mention this would be the thing to make me finally install a DVR unit to watch outside my house. Next time maria says you never take out the trash I will have the last 100 times recorded to play for her. :)

With each device HVAC, DVR and such you may be able to buy an enabled controller but it adds a few hundred to few thousand dollars. When this stuff is all controlled by a home window server for example then everything else can be dumb terminal equivalents at rock bottom prices. Comfort and value will likely be the two biggest elements of demand.

I don't know about this. We already have people driving their cars across airport runways, because they've become too dependent on GPS and mobile device turn-by-turn directions. I'd hate to think where this can lead.

Also, I wouldn't really be comfortable with this functionality being accessible via the internet. A fair amount of mischief can be made if someone compromises your security.

Now, if I could come up with something that would allow me to remotely mow and trim my yard, that'd be something I'd really be interested in. :D
 
Now, if I could come up with something that would allow me to remotely mow and trim my yard, that'd be something I'd really be interested in. :D

Remote controlled lawn mowers have been out for a while. :D

....remote trimmer...yet to find.

Need a remote rake to clean up those leaves! :D
I bought a vacuum robot for the pool...but I should have gotten the remote version...it always misses a few spots.
 
Remote controlled lawn mowers have been out for a while. :D

....remote trimmer...yet to find.

Need a remote rake to clean up those leaves! :D
I bought a vacuum robot for the pool...but I should have gotten the remote version...it always misses a few spots.

I've been contemplating a small herd of goats. Should cover both the mowing and the trimming, and maybe even the leaves.....almost completely automatic....and possibly delicious if I could figure out the best way to cook them :D
 
I've been contemplating a small herd of goats. Should cover both the mowing and the trimming, and maybe even the leaves.....almost completely automatic....and possibly delicious if I could figure out the best way to cook them

You can offer lawn mowing services in the area to generate passive income too, walk your goat over to their yard, let him do his thing!

Better yet, get a female, lawn mowing and milk delivery every morning!

The possibilities are endless.
 
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