What did Micros#$t do to Windows 11 now?

River Valley Computer

Well-Known Member
Reaction score
801
Location
Russellville, AR
Yesterday was rather tense here yesterday. Two of my techs were swearing like drunkin' sailors. Evidently you can no longer do a **** F10 to bypass MS Account setup. We did 9 installs Monday and Tuesday with no problems. WHAT CHANGED yesterday?????I tried one this morning and same thing! Has anyone else experienced that? :mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Who knows, and why is anyone surprised?

If the intention is to install Windows 11 with a local account, then the safest way to ensure that happens without a hitch these days is to always use Rufus-prepared install media (using the Windows 11 ISO you need) and having checked the tweak to allow local accounts.

Microsoft has been quite clear that for Home and Pro, Microsoft Accounts will be required at setup. When I'm setting up for anyone other than myself I make sure that I either have their MS Account Info, if one exists, or ask about what email address they might have that they'd prefer to use versus creating a new outlook.com address for their MS-Account.
 
Yesterday was rather tense here yesterday. Two of my techs were swearing like drunkin' sailors. Evidently you can no longer do a **** F10 to bypass MS Account setup. We did 9 installs Monday and Tuesday with no problems. WHAT CHANGED yesterday?????I tried one this morning and same thing! Has anyone else experienced that? :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Yep rufus install or make MS account and change it to local after...I've noticed anything with 24h2 or 25h2 it may not work...23 and below shift F10 always works.

I setup one a week ago and it still had 23 on it so over a year old image probably.

I've been doing a lot of system images move over to new hardware...it's just so much damn work doing things from scratch with all the login BS you have to go through anymore. People not knowing logins and or other critical pieces of info etc...
 
...it's just so much damn work doing things from scratch with all the login BS you have to go through anymore. People not knowing logins and or other critical pieces of info etc...

All the people who don't even know if they have a Microsoft account and then swear the PIN is the only password they ever had and what do you mean account recovery information!
 
We only deal with Windows Pro....and as of this week...as of yesterday even...brand new computers out of the box, being shipped with Win11 Pro 25H2...we're still choosing the Join a Domain setup path which allows

But I guess a "more recent build"....is what has the "use MS account" enforced more. (26220.6772)
The way OEM computers are built/imaged...may take a bit til we receive a Lenovo or Dell with that version.
 
We only deal with Windows Pro....and as of this week...as of yesterday even...brand new computers out of the box, being shipped with Win11 Pro 25H2...we're still choosing the Join a Domain setup path which allows

But I guess a "more recent build"....is what has the "use MS account" enforced more. (26220.6772)
The way OEM computers are built/imaged...may take a bit til we receive a Lenovo or Dell with that version.
Seriously the only way to support Windows. Local login is an "Advanced feature" that requires Pro. Any other pathway results in pain, this thread is just another reason why every shop on the planet needs to recommend Pro and not support home.
 
this thread is just another reason why every shop on the planet needs to recommend Pro and not support home.

And this is another example of how out of touch with reality you are for a very, very, very great many shops. I don't have any choice (unless I wanted to cut off way more than half of my business, probably more like 75%) about what I support. No break-fix outfit does when it comes to in-support versions of Windows that are widely sold.

Just the other day, and it was literally the first time this has happened to me, someone had bought a new laptop that came with S-Mode. What was really surprising was that during initial Windows Setup it told me this, and told me what I needed to get from the Microsoft Store in order to escape S-Mode, which I promptly did when the initial setup process was finished.

We're not all MSPs who, by comparison, can and do pick and choose exactly what they will support. But if I client called me still on Windows 10 but enrolled in the ESU program, I'd still be supporting them while telling them to "get their hardware house in order" before next October.

That's the way it is, and will remain, for a very great many of us here.

I can recommend Pro until I'm blue in the face (and, indeed, do recommend it if someone's in new machine shopping mode) but I have zero choice about supporting Windows 11 Home.
 
@britechguy You at least get to change your practices, because the system requirements for Windows 11 home REQUIRE an online account. Not to mention TPM and the other things that crop up in the other threads. If you're going to support home you have to account for the above and that my require increasing the time billed to account for the additional work.

The issue I have? That extra time? Even ONCE, it's now cheaper to sell them an anytime upgrade and never touch it again.
 
If you're going to support home you have to account for the above and that my require increasing the time billed to account for the additional work.

Well, we've been over this before, too, but most of us still in the break-fix sphere, and there are a lot of us, and we primarily serve residental and micro-business clients, bill based upon time taken.

Ever since I started, regardless of what my hourly rate is, I have always charged a one-hour minimum for an in-person service call and a one-half hour minimum for a remote service call. In both cases, time past the minimum is billed in 15-minute chunks/units.

Thus, exactly how long something takes is not directly relevant to me. I don't care if I'm spending more time with customer X, and billing them, than I can with customers X and Y, but billing each for time required.

Plumbers, lawyers, and tons of professions and skilled trades have billed "by the hour, for time taken" since long before I was born and will continue doing so after I'm dead and gone. It's a business model that can and does work in many contexts. So does the MSP business model, but who each of those business models serve, and how, is quite different in a great many respects. Neither model is a good fit for the other's customer base.

I get paid for however long it takes, so I don't particularly care how long it takes. My workload is not so heavy that I'm losing out on potential customers, either, and, of course, that matters, too.
 
Back
Top