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computertech123

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I have a question on web design and figured there were probably some people on this site who know web design.

Is knowing css and html enough to make websites for people? Say for a couple hundred bucks? I know you need more for a really advanced website but how about for smaller businesses who just want something more on the basic side.

Would a website with just html and css make the business look bad because it won't look as nice?
 
Honestly, I couldn't care less about the technical answer here (it's yes, by the way). I'm much more interested to know what you're going to offer your customers i.e. what do they get from your html/css site "for a couple hundred bucks"?
 
Honestly, I couldn't care less about the technical answer here (it's yes, by the way). I'm much more interested to know what you're going to offer your customers i.e. what do they get from your html/css site "for a couple hundred bucks"?

What I would plan on offering is just a basic website. Nothing too special. Maybe around 5 pages. I don't have any examples of any sites. Are you saying a couple hundred is too much? And are you saying yes to html would be enough or it would make a business look bad?
 
What I would plan on offering is just a basic website. Nothing too special. Maybe around 5 pages. I don't have any examples of any sites. Are you saying a couple hundred is too much? And are you saying yes to html would be enough or it would make a business look bad?

Yes html is enough - if you're offering $200 sites - but your technical skills aren't the issue. It's your business skills you need to look to.

The thing is, $200 sites aren't worth $200 to a business owner. In fact, in most cases, they're worth about $190 less than that. In a few cases they're worth more, but that's rare.

Business owners need solutions to problems. When they go looking to do a website, what's their problem? Mostly, whether they can articulate it or not, it's "I need more cusotmers". Unless your sites can solve this problem then, whether you charge 200 or 2000, they're worthless.

See what I'm getting at?
 
Yes html is enough - if you're offering $200 sites - but your technical skills aren't the issue. It's your business skills you need to look to.

The thing is, $200 sites aren't worth $200 to a business owner. In fact, in most cases, they're worth about $190 less than that. In a few cases they're worth more, but that's rare.

Business owners need solutions to problems. When they go looking to do a website, what's their problem? Mostly, whether they can articulate it or not, it's "I need more cusotmers". Unless your sites can solve this problem then, whether you charge 200 or 2000, they're worthless.

See what I'm getting at?

So you're saying it depends what they need to get more customers? That makes sense and that's what I was thinking. I am looking to learn web design I know a little html and php. I want to start by getting good at html and css, and then learn more advanced things. I wanted to see if while I was learning more advanced things I could build some] html/css sites for extra cash. But I don't want to build websites that won't help the business owners.

And I think your saying html and css is not enough to help a business owner.
 
And maybe your saying it's also being able to put good things in the site that will help their business. So, if I have the business skills to help their business, is html/css enough for business owners who have small businesses but don't want to spend thousands.
 
This debate is played out on these forums approximately weekly, and frankly in my opinion it's a little silly.

For a LOT of small business, what they NEED is a web presence, period. They need to show up in Google and they don't have the foggiest idea how. They NEED for people to be able to google them and get their hours and their phone number. Most small businesses have no need for full powered online stores or even customer logins.

A small restaurant, for example, needs hours, directions, some "about us" fluff, and maybe a menu, or some specials.

This trope that every company needs a $2,000-$20,000 website really burns my biscuits, especially when there are packages out there like Joomla that let you do *almost* everything a $25,000 website will do almost out of the box.

To the OP, yes, there is a market for ~$300 websites. I don't do them that small any more, but it's a fair price for a 3 page site, getting listed in google, and providing a year of hosting for free. Don't bother with HTML. Get familiar with CSS. Play extensively with wordpress.

Personal story time: I do a lot of community service/volunteer work. I'm putting on a massive fund raiser for one of my favorites. One of their board members is married to a graphic designer, and I asked her if he might be interested in tossing us together a logo for the event. She scoffed, saying he'd already donated $8k of services that year. I asked how, she told me that he'd redone their website. I went to it, and it's just a 7 page site, mocked up in photoshop and then sliced to Drupal, but the stupid thing is that all the important info (telephone, hours, programs) are images instead of text, so the whole purpose of a CMS is being negated. Apparently this dude dumps these things out all year long, and he IS charging them for hosting and name, at something like $500/year. Good for him, I guess. Pretty stupid though, if it took more than 8 hours he's an amateur.
 
I'm with LifelineIT. For small businesses that don't need ecommerce or customer portals or things of that nature can get by with a website created with Weebly or even a Wordpress.com website with their own custom domain. Charge them a couple hundred bucks to set it up and then a small monthly fee to keep it updated/add changes. But take my advice with a grain of salt because I don't offer web design or hosting to anyone (not even family). Too much a pain in the butt for me.
 
computertech123 take a look at this site: W3Schools it has lots and lots and lots of free information and free tutorials and examples. With this site and notepad and a browser you can build some very nice pages, you have to learn the skill before you can use it or sell it.
Learn HTML first its like the very basics, it won't take you very long.
Then learn CSS its like the formatting of the content on the pages.
Then learn JavaScripting you can add a lot of features to a page but don't rely on it because some people turn it off in their browsers.
 
Computerec123, have you try Wordpress? You don't need to know HTML but it would be helpful.

Sign-up with godaddy or hostgator hosting for one month (approx less than $5). Install and activate wordpress (a few clicks). Hostgator has a DIY video about it. Select a template and your done. If you want to add more features then simply add plugin. There's also plugin for SEO helper if interested. It's all WYSIWYG

If you know php, html and CSS, then you can modify the template and plugin to suit your needs. I occasionally do but in most cases, I don't because when you apply a template update, you will loose all your modifications.

I'm currently working on a new site "fivestartowinginc.com". It's foundation is Wordpress with a bunch of plug-in. Even the car for sale listing is a plug-in. Very little html. This is the very basic and I still haven't modify the php code and css. Check it out and see what basic Wordpress looks like.

Here's another site "sncmediapro.com" where I use Wordpress. It's all about template and plug-in.
 
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Let me be frank real quick.

Most super-pro "designers" don't know php either. Or java. God forbid javascript. SOME know jQuery, SOME know Ruby. Most can edit a CSS file. That's not to say that none of them know php, but that's more backend grunt coding than what *most* "designers" are doing. Most "designers" are doing mockups in dreamweaver/Photoshop and then using slices to dump to a template file or machine-coded HTML. This method is infuriating if you actually DO any custom coding, because figuring out how they've mangled stuff together sometimes can be a true nightmare. Been there, done that.

I don't honestly know where to tell you to start, other than to encourage you NOT to use GoDaddy, for a lot of reasons. Politically, they support laws I dislike. Practically, I HATE their interface and their delays. I actually charge an additional fee if my customers have already started at GoDaddy and want to stay there, I hate it that much.

I personally prefer namecheap.com for my name hosting and my web hosting (even though people will tell you not to keep both in the same place, it's never been an issue for me.) Simple CPanel interface, fast, insanely cheap, DNS propagation within about 15 minutes usually. I currently host about 15 sites from an account that costs me sub-$75 yearly, and I'm sitting on LOTS of unused disk space and bandwidth, more than I'm using, in fact.

Learning wordpress takes a weekend. Then you can find dozens of free templates, pay for them, or learn to make them. I generally make the idea of my template in a program called Artisteer. Then I mangle it with a program called Stylizer. Then I make any minute changes in plaintext using Notepad++.
 
@OP

The technical advice you've been receiving here is fine. The rest is not.

Anyone can throw up the digital equivalent of a business card for a couple of hundred, which is what you appear to be aiming for. If that's what you want to do, fine. You'll just be one more cheap-ass web guy in a world of cheap-ass web guys - always fighting over scraps, never making a living, just making a buck.

OR you could learn a little about direct-response web design, SEO, PPC and other online and offline traffic generation methods and provide your customers with websites that WORK i.e. actually bring in business.

Now there's a novel idea.....
 
Doing web-design is more than just css/html.

You need to have experience with graphic design and be familiar with SEO.
 
Business owners need solutions to problems.


This is true. All business owners want cheap advertising that works. If you can provide that with a website they will knock your door down looking for your services.

I would recommend using WordPress and learning basic SEO. I've had the best response from a good looking WP site with SEO behind it.
 
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