Very irritating situation ... am I wrong or off base here?

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Some customers are unreasonable. Some are too demanding. Some are unappreciative. Some azzholes are just not worth the aggravation. Enter your clients.

First off, you're not alone. Everyone here feels your pain. Don't get down on yourself for any of this BS. Bill them for your time, bid them sayonara and don't look back. If they won't pay, either fight them in small claims court or just eat it and move on for the peace of mind.

If your feeling particularly motivated ask them how they would like a client who needs their whole house redesigned. Someone who calls every day with questions about colors and textures. Perhaps inquiring about the latest trends in design and fashion. Then they ask for invoices to see what the furnishings cost. A few days later they call and say they found someone cheaper to do the installs but they might need your help with the painting of the high ceilings or maybe just help moving in the heavy furniture if needed at a moments notice. Now tell them to **** off.
 
As far as the new computers go, I'd let them know that they can have whoever they want install them, however you can't support the install. If he gets stuck and calls you, it will be dealt with at $XXX per hour
I wouldn't even do that. I'm not Best Buy. The only reason I sell PCs is for the convenience of the client to only have to deal with me. Hell my PCs are more expensive then anyone else you could find so the OP must really be low balling for the client to think that the cost of the PCs from him was a good deal. That is a sign to me that @thecomputerguy rates and mark up are way off base. Time to rethink your rates(hint you are probably under priced) and your margin(not big enough).
 
I would have nipped this in the bud right away. How? Simple. I would NEVER have lost money on a desktop computer because the client assumed that it would include a monitor. Most desktops you buy in the store don't come with a monitor and if they do, they're grossly overpriced. I have a large enough markup on hardware that my prices would be too high to attract this type of cheapo client anyway. That aside, I would have told them to either buy a monitor or enjoy working on a computer with no visual output because that's their option. They would be ****** and I would have lost them as a client. Good riddance. Then I wouldn't be stuck in the position you're in.

As for another mistake you made, working without getting paid FIRST. That is a BIG no-no. Bill them for the hours needed and don't put in 1 second until they pay for it. I don't understand why people find this so hard to understand. If they want service, they need to pay first. I only take cash or credit card. If they want to write a check, then I need to make sure it clears before I start work. Most businesses use some local bank so it's easy to just go in and make sure they have enough money in the account to cover it and that you get your money.

Honestly, asking to see your wholesale pricing? That's totally unacceptable. I had this happen to me on several occasions. When this happens, I ask them if they demand to see the wholesale prices of Walmart before they buy anything and that usually makes them understand how awkward and improper it is to ask something like that. If they still insist, I say "Look, these are my prices. You can either pay it or go somewhere else. I don't have time to justify what I charge. It's either worth it to you or not. Please decide now."

I don't have time for BS like this. You can usually tell a cheap a$$ client way before you get this deep into a relationship. At the first sign of trouble, I tell them to clean up their act or find someone else.

If I were in your situation right now, I'd sit down and tell them like it is. If they're understanding, great. If not, bill them for the 3 hours you think you deserve and tell them you won't service them anymore. You probably won't get the 3 hours pay, but chalk it up to a learning experience and get the heck away from this client. You don't want them.

I am totally impressed with this post ! Dang! You go!

lol!!!
 
Well I sent them an email explaining the issues I had with what all went down, and basically told them, I do the whole thing or I do nothing at all. Still awaiting a response.
 
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I wouldn't even do that. I'm not Best Buy. The only reason I sell PCs is for the convenience of the client to only have to deal with me. Hell my PCs are more expensive then anyone else you could find so the OP must really be low balling for the client to think that the cost of the PCs from him was a good deal. That is a sign to me that @thecomputerguy rates and mark up are way off base. Time to rethink your rates(hint you are probably under priced) and your margin(not big enough).

I usually make a minimum of 25%-30% on anything that I sell. What I meant by my wall of text is the in the grand scheme of things I am still not willing to sell the product and have someone install it even at a 30% markup on the product. The real money is labor and I charge $95 per hour.
 
I would have replied with one of two emails…

The Polite version=
Dear Owner,

In response to your alterations to my companies involvements with your transition to new premises, I must express some concerns I have.
After being what I thought was your I.T. support for the past 18 months, I agreed to offer an estimate for the work required. However I feel somewhat disrespected after putting in several hours of prerequisite-work for you to tell me that the most profitable portion of the work is now going to “a friend’s son”.
Not only that, you request me to be made available to assist him on the day than sort-out what he couldn’t do the following day. The expectation of my company being a courier service is also absurd and if you desire the machines to be delivered on the 6th than I can arrange for a professional courier service at an additional charge of $20, or I can ask my neighbour Bob to do it which is likely to cost $10 (this is an estimate however and would need paying in cash, on the day).

Just so you are aware, my diary is pretty well booked. But I was prepared to juggle other customer’s jobs around to accommodate your installation and setup as you have/had been a long term customer.

Please let me know your thoughts on what I have mentioned above.

Regards.


The not so polite email=
Dear Owner,
In response to your alterations to my companies involvements with your transition to new premises, I enclose a cheque for $25.
Please use this money to buy a tub of vasaline and a 10” glow-in-the-dark vibrator, as we might as well both be getting f***ed here.

Regards,

Just make sure you cancel the cheque!!
 
I would have replied with one of two emails…

The Polite version=
Dear Owner,

In response to your alterations to my companies involvements with your transition to new premises, I must express some concerns I have.
After being what I thought was your I.T. support for the past 18 months, I agreed to offer an estimate for the work required. However I feel somewhat disrespected after putting in several hours of prerequisite-work for you to tell me that the most profitable portion of the work is now going to “a friend’s son”.
Not only that, you request me to be made available to assist him on the day than sort-out what he couldn’t do the following day. The expectation of my company being a courier service is also absurd and if you desire the machines to be delivered on the 6th than I can arrange for a professional courier service at an additional charge of $20, or I can ask my neighbour Bob to do it which is likely to cost $10 (this is an estimate however and would need paying in cash, on the day).

Just so you are aware, my diary is pretty well booked. But I was prepared to juggle other customer’s jobs around to accommodate your installation and setup as you have/had been a long term customer.

Please let me know your thoughts on what I have mentioned above.

Regards.


The not so polite email=
Dear Owner,
In response to your alterations to my companies involvements with your transition to new premises, I enclose a cheque for $25.
Please use this money to buy a tub of vasaline and a 10” glow-in-the-dark vibrator, as we might as well both be getting f***ed here.

Regards,

Just make sure you cancel the cheque!!

LOL!!! I like the not so polite email haha.
 
If I get the whole job then it is still juicy enough to take on. The whole job will end up around $5,000 and I'd probably walk with 30%-40% of that. in profit.

If you take this job, never ever ask for advice here again (just my opinion). You are being screwed over and all you're seeing is the possible dollars at the end of the tunnel. The problem is you have no idea how long the tunnel is and the hazards that are in it.

You lost money on your very first sale to them when you caved in and gave them a monitor that was never included in you quote.

You have been losing money by being their free consultant. Staying in contact with the contractor about the infrastructure install again without pay.

Do you understand what they purpose of a contract is? You should of had a signed contract in hand prior to ever starting to handle the move for them.

You think you are going to get paid $5000 when this is over. Good luck with that. I bet you might get half ( and that's being generous).

This company is nothing but a lose lose situation.
 
If you take this job, never ever ask for advice here again (just my opinion). You are being screwed over and all you're seeing is the possible dollars at the end of the tunnel. The problem is you have no idea how long the tunnel is and the hazards that are in it.

You lost money on your very first sale to them when you caved in and gave them a monitor that was never included in you quote.

You have been losing money by being their free consultant. Staying in contact with the contractor about the infrastructure install again without pay.

Do you understand what they purpose of a contract is? You should of had a signed contract in hand prior to ever starting to handle the move for them.

You think you are going to get paid $5000 when this is over. Good luck with that. I bet you might get half ( and that's being generous).

This company is nothing but a lose lose situation.
This. Because if you don't think they are not going to argue the bill, claim you made promises you didn't, or flat stiff you after the work is done then you are an idiot.
 
I can understand where you're coming from looking at the dollars right now. Believe me I still have a hard time turning things down, but I've found out that sometimes it's for the best. I agree with what everyone is saying here. No way would I go for the BS they've pulled. Asking about wholesale pricing and then wanting some kid to come in and set things up. At that point I'd rather send the pc's back or if you think you can sell them to other clients keep them and do that. I can't believe they had the nerve to ask you to be available to do the things he couldn't do if need be. That just screams of cheapness and too much hassle and stress down the road. If you somehow do decide to do it, I'd get money upfront.
 
No need to repeat what everyone has said, I'm sure you get the point. bottom line Walk away.

These clients will always have you in the red. Even if they agree to your terms and give you the whole job as originally agreed and they pay you every dime of the agreement, they will still have you working at a lost.

After the job is complete, your profit will steadily start eroding. They will call you for every little issue that they have, and expect you to come right away and fix it for free. You being the guy you are feeling responsible will do it. "I can't print, can you come take look?", ""My computer is running slow, can you come take a look?", "I think I have a virus, can you come take a look"," The screen is to bright, can you come take a look?", etc., etc. Before you know it all your profit gets eaten up on all your bs service calls that they will believe they are entitled to.

I truly enjoy being a member of the technibble community, I have learned so much over the years. One of the greatest lessons I've learned here is that to truly succeed in this business you cant just be a great tech, you have to be a smart business person. Sometimes that means saying no to some clients or not taking every job that comes your way.

Ask yourself if this headache is really worth it!
 
Background:

I picked up a small interior design company (5-7 users), about a year ago who complained that their old IT guys weren't giving them the attention they wanted. They are a small group of high maintenance (from an IT standpoint) women.

Since almost they beginning I have had little issues with them.

The Issues:

Issues like ... the first computer they bought from me. I sent an estimate they approved it, they later asked for a monitor for it, I told them I could get them one. After I installed the they asked me why they were billed for the monitor, it wasn't on the estimate. I said, "Because it wasn't included... do you see a monitor on the estimate? you were quoted for a desktop computer, I gave you the specs, there is no mention of the monitor that you asked for at a later date." they said I should have been more clear and it was my fault. Long story short, that computer cost me money.

I was VERY CLEAR on the next estimate for the next computer. Of course they couldn't understand why it was so much more than the first one, so I had to remind them how the first one went down.

Then issues like doing small remote jobs, and then complaining about bills. Or having to overly justify why they were billed for it.

Issues like asking for my receipts from my suppliers so they could see my pricing.

The jaw-dropper:

They decided that they are going to move their office to a more commercial space. So they ask for an estimate to buy and install 2 new computers, data transfers, install all the programs they use on the two new ones, move 6 computers, install two new printers, redo some email configuration, redo the network at the new location, make sure the voip system works, and some other little stuff like, cabling and cleaning up a few of the older computers. I send them a quote for 8-10 hours and another 2 hours of (optional) offsite work for follow-up, which in my experience will probably be necessary.

Over the last few weeks I have been in communication with them nearly everyday. Making sure the general contractor gets the cabling right, making sure he puts in enough jacks, making sure he finishes the cable at a patch panel in the correct room, making sure the jacks are where they need to be, researching internet providers and pricing for them. Helping them pick out a new phone system, and a phone company to migrate to, and generally just answering general questions about how everything is going to play out. I've basically been playing their little IT department.

I get an email from one of them telling me the owner is going to call me because the scope of the operation has changed. I get a call from her and she says, "So we decided what we are going to do is we are going to buy the computers from you, but I have a friend whose son does computer work like you, and hes going to do the installation for us because he's giving us a much better price."

My jaw drops... I'm almost 3 hours into helping these people already assuming I was doing the job, I mean I've been the IT guy for the last year and a half.

She continues. "So what we want to do is have you drop the computers off on the 6th (they are 30 minutes away), our other guy is going to do the whole install on the 7th, if he has any issues he'll call you but if we need you we will have you come back on the 8th to finish/fix whatever he didn't/couldn't do."

So I have some major issues here:

1.) Someone else installing computers I back for 3 years. Ultimately I am responsible for these products, and I am not the one installing them.

2.) I don't make much off the computers, I make most of my money on install, and now I'm married to these computers for 3 years without actually profiting a whole lot off them.

3.) I've already given away plenty of time to make sure their move went smooth that I assumed I would be compensated for when I did the job

4.) I can already tell the day he installs the computers they are going to constantly be all over me for information because he doesn't know what I know.

5.) Now instead of just doing the job and being done with it they want to tie me up for 3 days, one to deliver and probably do some minor setup, another to help the other guy understand what I've done, and another to fix what the other guy can't, most of which I won't get paid for. I don't think they understand I don't just sit around all day begging for calls to come in, I'm booked daily from 9am until about 6pm.

6.) I feel disrespected for being so willing to help these people out and just lose out because some kid is doing it "for a better price."

Any insight?
I pretty much agree with everyone here that you should have fired them but you have to be careful how to handle it, one angry customer can cost you ten. I would like to hear examples of how to do it without causing repercussions.
 
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If you haven't purchased the computers yet, don't. Just stop right now and give them their walking papers. Don't furnish them with computers, let them order directly from Dell or whoever.
Let them know "this is bs and I'm not willing to work with you from this moment forward'. 'You've abused me and don't appreciate the time and effort that I provide you'... I've spent 3 hours on the phone arranging and helping coordinate this move for you and you want to nickel and dime me on the installation! FU!"
Now hang up................ kiss the client goodbye and consider the 3 hrs you just spent a 'lesson'.
 
I pretty much agree with everyone here that you should have fired them but you have to be careful how to handle it, one angry customer can cost you ten. I would like to hear examples of how to do it without causing repercussions.
Politely tell them that you don't think you are capable of filling the needs of their business any longer. You think it is not fair to them for you being their IT person, as you do not feel comfortable that theirs needs can be fulfilled by you. No more explaining yourself, answering questions about why, this or that. Simple state that, without coming off as rude, short and sweet. You do not need to get into ANY details, just that you are not able to meet their needs. End of story.

MOVE ON!
 
"Pillars to Post" means running around alot
If I get the whole job then it is still juicy enough to take on. The whole job will end up around $5,000 and I'd probably walk with 30%-40% of that. in profit.
DONT DO IT -Its all an Illusion - Dont look at the Shiny lights and look at what your really going to get from them.

You need to ask yourself will the initial profit (if they pay you that is) out weigh the amount of complaining they will unleash on you? My answer is it wont be worth it at all.

Yes I know times are tough and any money is good money but there are times where some "people" (not even good enough to be called clients) you just don't do business with at all.

These people should have a small print on their forehead that says " I will own you and complain about everything you do with these computers you installed and do my best to hold it against you for the life of this pc and beyond. I will try my hardest to squeeze every dollar out of you and make you work extra hard for it too." Just sign your businesses life away on the dotted line here................ ......

Seriously every time you try to bill them for work you do on these new PC's they will tell you " I just spend $5000 on this equipment why are you charging me for XYZ for this...isnt it covered?". " I want it fixed now because i just paid you $5000 dollars"

They make you feel guilty and sorry for them and expect you to do things at the drop of the hat.

Tell them Thanks but no thanks, slowly turn around and walk out of their office and don't look back!!!!

dont do it slow- do it fast - like taking a bandaid off!!!!
 
Just walk away for them. Time is money and you are wasting both with such stingy people.
The rule is simple : you should get the service you pay for. If you do not pay, then no service. The end!
 
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