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You are right ACMT, going to a CC certainly is a viable option. Prior to my UOP experience and Military career I went to CC while still in High School, so I was able to get quite a bit of the basics out of the way. I can see that the moral of all of this is to choose the path that is best for them. While I may not agree with some of the comments about employees not excepting UOP or other instituitions degrees as credible, I can personally say that it has not hurt me. Personally no one has disputed my degree as well and I work for DHS/CBP as a Federal Employee.
 
You are right ACMT, going to a CC certainly is a viable option. Prior to my UOP experience and Military career I went to CC while still in High School, so I was able to get quite a bit of the basics out of the way. I can see that the moral of all of this is to choose the path that is best for them. While I may not agree with some of the comments about employees not excepting UOP or other instituitions degrees as credible, I can personally say that it has not hurt me. Personally no one has disputed my degree as well and I work for DHS/CBP as a Federal Employee.

That's great! and I'm glad it worked well for you. Once you get experience under your belt, the major and where the degree came from become much less of an issue. Some companies still absolutely need to check that box for applicants having a degree, but essentially as long as you have one you are okay. The big issue comes in terms of job candidates having no experience fresh out of school. In these cases there may be a significant chance of your degree being stereotyped. But in terms of working adults returning to school to advance their existing careers, UofP may be a great choice if it fits your situation. I think this is how UofP originally marketed themselves and became as successful as they are. Since then many traditional schools have realized over 40% of college students are non-tradational (25 and over). So essentially this is a major chunk of tuition that the tradtional schools are missing out on, so they've been trying to appeal to the non-traditional demographic that UofP has won away from them, and now the lines are more blurred.

Lately, another debate thats becoming highly publicized is the now oversupply of college grads compared to job openings. This is what I don't understand, unless our economy has become that terrible and our attention is being steered as too many college grads being the issue? But at the same time the US is in 10th in the world in regards to amount of population holding a degree. On top of this, the president wants to double the number of college graduates. Many jobs now are requiring a degree that would have never asked for one in previous years and the reason for this is because they can. I've heard many rumers that Geek Squad is requiring applicants to have a degree! Perhaps the traditional schools are using the media to vy for position to make sure their graduates get chosen for open positions over the for-profits. My opinion like others have said, education is the next bubble and these are mearly symptoms.
 
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I have considered doing an online school primarily Western Governors University, but after just getting the down low on how businesses in my area view online degrees I opted out of the idea. Plus-I just do not feel 100% about an online school unless its from a true brick and mortar school.

I mentioned I was considering an online school to the CIO of the company I work for as a PC tech, and he about wrung my neck letting me know how he did not really care for online schools, but he also admitted he was old school. Old school or not he has been in the business for a long time, and I very much respected his opinion.

But honestly my opinion not to go to an online was was just based on my feeling of unsureness about them. I know people say accredited this and accredited that, but when it comes down to it I just do not want to invest my time or money into any online school, for I just have to much of an unsureness about them, and I know what I have always thought about online schools, and I know what others think other than the CIO.

I am currently enrolled in a 2 year school with 1 semester to go for a Computer Technology degree. After I graduate from the 2 year school I will either go to Mississippi College and get a B.A. in Computer Information Systems or just carry on with the 2 year degree and load up on Certs.
 
From what I have noticed is most of the people posting against UofP have not gone there and have no clue what its like. The work is hard and the time frame is the same. My BA is taking me 4 years, just like a regular college. So to say that the programs are diploma mills is a completely uneducated response. My AA took 2 years of hard work every night and my BA is going to be the same thing.
 
From what I have noticed is most of the people posting against UofP have not gone there and have no clue what its like. The work is hard and the time frame is the same. My BA is taking me 4 years, just like a regular college. So to say that the programs are diploma mills is a completely uneducated response. My AA took 2 years of hard work every night and my BA is going to be the same thing.

And at the end of that time, you will have a degree that the important people (those that make the decision to hire you or not) do not consider to be the equivalent of a traditional degree. Whether that is true or not, it is what it is, and that is what people are trying to convey to you.

Rick
 
Adding my 2 (add your currency here) - I used to work with the hiring manager of a fairly good sized tech firm and he always would pass on anyone with an online degree. It just seemed that person would be sub-standard, having interviewed several in the past.

So to me it seems that because a lot of the people that get these types of degrees are not as smart as others, it brings down those that are smart, but had little options but to get this type of degree.

Some good brick and mortar type Universities have online degree programs now, so go with those is my advice.
 
Some good brick and mortar type Universities have online degree programs now, so go with those is my advice.

I have been trying to find a brick and mortar school with an online IT program, but every time I try and search for one, I just get bombarded with Devry and Phoenix and other type of places.. I have been just searching individual colleges, for that seems to be the best way.
 
I have been trying to find a brick and mortar school with an online IT program, but every time I try and search for one, I just get bombarded with Devry and Phoenix and other type of places.. I have been just searching individual colleges, for that seems to be the best way.

Have a look at this article - http://www.stateuniversity.com/blog...ge-Courses-From-Brick-and-Mortar-Schools.html

5 Top Online College Courses From Brick and Mortar Schools - There's a couple of IT related ones there. But further search is required to find more options, still, I found the quick article an interesting read.
 
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The school you go to is only part of the equation; it's what you make out of the situation. You can go to a tier 1 school and get nothing out of it because you didn't take it seriously. You go to a for-profit school and put your balls to the wall and make it a worthwhile experience. However, for the most part, schools like DeVry, ITT, and UofP have negative stigma attached to them because of their approach to education and the quality of their instructors. This may not be the case anymore...but the past still haunts them and could, in reality, affect your job search.

Still, with community colleges offering many courses online and reputable 4 year universities with online programs...why choose UofP? Off the top of my head...University of Maryland (Baltimore County) and Drexel. You can still get a degree online, without the negative stigma and impact on your wallet.
 
I agree with Basic.
Your decision should be based on why you want to go to school. If you're going to impress someone else (like to get a job in some hi powered institution), go for a university with a good name in that field.
If you're going to get a specific set of skills, go to a school that will adequately meet those needs. Sometimes you can fill both these sets, but you may have to move or pay big bucks to do it.
If you're working for yourself in the IT field, consider what difference it would make if you were doing the hiring and how the school would influence you. That should help you in your choice.

/rich (BA Ed Arizona State, MA Ed UoP, MBA UoP)
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I am sure I would learn a lot from UOFP if I put forth a 100% effort, but it is just the stigma that comes along with online schools that just turns me away. I cant see my self investing 2 years of my time and money into something that does not satisfy me completely.

I think if I ever did any online school it would be the Western Governors University Network program, but even with that its kinda like paying them $3k every 6 months to take certification test that I could take on my own.

I really do not know what the heck I want to do. I am in a 2 year computer technology program right now with 1 semester to go, and I work as a tech intern at a large company here in town called Ergon. I think Ergon would hire me on as a full time tech with a 2 year and certifications, but I do not want to be a tech for long. I want to eventually work into the networking field as an engineer.

I have been told that as long as I plan on staying on the tech hands on side that I will be fine with just my 2 year, but if I ever wanted to step up into a management position for a company I would need a bachelor. Right now in life I am not ready for management, and I am learning a whole lot. I also do not want to go to school for another 2 years, but if I do go I need to do it now while I am young.
 
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For all throughs that a bad mouthing UofP then let me cover few points for your. Expecially those that are in a possition to hire people and passing them over because you think its a shortcut degree. ITS NOT

UofP is there for fully time employees to improve there education and get better jobs. My local community college has over 2000 students on the waiting list for general ed classes.

I have worked for major corporations and small business and I've done contract jobs for the goverment. A+ is a waste, MSCP = worth investment, UofP = worth the investment if your know what your going to use the degree for. Lockheed, Northrop & Boeing place great value on Devry, ITT & UofP. as for fortune 500 companys is they dont its just there lose. If I had to choose from two people with identical resumes except one went to UofP and the other UCLA. UofP hands down.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And, if you are a person in the position to hire another, more power to you.

However, I disagree to a large extent. University of Phoenix is a for-profit university that, I feel, preys on people that might not otherwise fit in the conventional University schedule. They are expensive like a conventional University, don't always have accredited programs, and often have professors who push students through because they don't have much reason not to.

I understand that community colleges in Cali are very flooded right now, but that's not the case everywhere and I feel that UofP does compromise academic accountability for the sake of expedience.

This is just my opinion but it's not what a person's resume says that gets them a job. I know a handful of fellows from MIT who are complete idiots at work. Sure, their resume suggests they are the best and the brightest (and maybe they could be), but I want someone who has the commmuncation skills and the know-how to get things done. A piece of paper might help you weed out the obvious no-go employees, but it's certainly not the end-all be-all.

Similarly, it's not necessarily the school that gives you a good education. It's the student who wants to learn and yearns to succeed.
 
For all throughs that a bad mouthing UofP then let me cover few points for your. Expecially those that are in a possition to hire people and passing them over because you think its a shortcut degree. ITS NOT

UofP is there for fully time employees to improve there education and get better jobs. My local community college has over 2000 students on the waiting list for general ed classes.

I have worked for major corporations and small business and I've done contract jobs for the goverment. A+ is a waste, MSCP = worth investment, UofP = worth the investment if your know what your going to use the degree for. Lockheed, Northrop & Boeing place great value on Devry, ITT & UofP. as for fortune 500 companys is they dont its just there lose. If I had to choose from two people with identical resumes except one went to UofP and the other UCLA. UofP hands down.

I really hope that your grammar and overall writing skills aren't representative of the quality of education of said institution.
 
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My wife is a Librarian and we had to move across the state in order for her to get a Masters in LIS that was accredited by the American Library Association. In order to work at any Library in the US as a professional librarian your Masters has to be accredited by the ALA. Any library that doesn't hire ALA librarians will be blacklisted from things like inter-library loans, and some book vendors. They are very serious about these this and do not play around. There are also many unaccredited programs out there, mainly from diploma mills, that will essentially make you unhireable as anything other than the little old lady that pushes the book cart.

Every time the library does a round of hiring, there are always a few people who leave the interviews in tears because they find out that they've just spent around $40,000 on an advanced degree that will pretty much guarantee that they cannot work in their chosen field. It's heart wrenching for her and that's why we both hate the idea of diploma mills. They take advantage of people who just want to make their lives better. They promise them an easy online solution to their problems where they can go to school according to their time frame while working full-time and raising a family. They suck up all of their free time, load them up with expensive private student loans, and in the end give them degrees that make people who got a real education chuckle. It's exploitation and it's wrong.

There are ways that a working adult can finish their education but it's not easy and it takes sacrifice. Every day people flood my wife's computer lab working on online degrees. They're often homeless, unemployed, or otherwise barely scraping by. One of the services the library offers is proofreading papers. More often than not the papers she sees are awful, the student is borderline illiterate but in their second or third year. We're talking papers that wouldn't have been accepted in middle school. That means that they're turning this garbage in and getting a passing grade.

Here's a dirty little secret about for-profit schools. If you're homeless but not a convicted felon you can qualify for all kinds of federal student aid. Now I'm not against homeless people bettering themselves but the truth is that you don't become long-term homeless unless you have a serious mental illness or addiction. For-profits load them up with financial aid, let them waste a few semesters, and then laugh all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, that aid money is now lost instead of going to a serious student.

For all throughs that a bad mouthing UofP then let me cover few points for your. Expecially those that are in a possition to hire people and passing them over because you think its a shortcut degree. ITS NOT

UofP is there for fully time employees to improve there education and get better jobs. My local community college has over 2000 students on the waiting list for general ed classes.

I have worked for major corporations and small business and I've done contract jobs for the goverment. A+ is a waste, MSCP = worth investment, UofP = worth the investment if your know what your going to use the degree for. Lockheed, Northrop & Boeing place great value on Devry, ITT & UofP. as for fortune 500 companys is they dont its just there lose. If I had to choose from two people with identical resumes except one went to UofP and the other UCLA. UofP hands down.

I'm not trying to be mean, and god knows my spelling and grammar aren't perfect, but I would make a better effort when defending the college that I went to. What you said might be kind of true but I would be willing to bet that they're hiring people that got vocational skills at these schools. Vocational skills like aircraft mechanic maybe? These are skills that you could have gotten much cheaper at a Community College or from the military. I doubt that they're hiring any C-level employees that got their MBA from UoP. Let me ask you something, would you hire an aircraft mechanic that got their training online at UoP and never actually did any hands-on training? I'm sorry that Community Colleges are having trouble is CA right now but that's probably a pretty recent development. Maybe it's worth the wait.

The bottom line is that these schools carry a strong stigma against them within professional and educated circles. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter how hard it actually was. These schools are known diploma mills in the same way that Lindsay Lohan is a known drug user. It may or may not be true but that is the perception and that is what you'll be judged on. If you're applying for a job that having a degree really is just a check mark, like civil service or other GS jobs, then a UoP degree might not hurt you. Also, if you're trying to get a job that doesn't normally require a degree it might give you a leg up. If you have two people who've both worked at McDonalds for ten years, one with a UoP degree and one without, the one with the degree might be more likely to be made the new manager. If your goal is to be in middle-management or higher at a mid to large corporation then you might have a much harder road ahead of you.
 
The bottom line is that these schools carry a strong stigma against them within professional and educated circles. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter how hard it actually was. These schools are known diploma mills in the same way that Lindsay Lohan is a known drug user. It may or may not be true but that is the perception and that is what you'll be judged on. If you're applying for a job that having a degree really is just a check mark, like civil service or other GS jobs, then a UoP degree might not hurt you. Also, if you're trying to get a job that doesn't normally require a degree it might give you a leg up. If you have two people who've both worked at McDonalds for ten years, one with a UoP degree and one without, the one with the degree might be more likely to be made the new manager. If your goal is to be in middle-management or higher at a mid to large corporation then you might have a much harder road ahead of you.

This is just not correct. I am currently enrolled in UofP and since this thread started I have done my own research and talked to people and found that the degree does not mater as much as experience. The degree just gets you in the door the experience is what gets you hired above someone else and it does not matter if you went to UCLA or UofP. The only stigma against UofP is people that don't understand how it works and I am surprised at how many high tech professionals such as yourselves are so nieve in this knowledge. A degrees biggest worth is that you stuck with something and you have proved that your not a quitter. It shows that you will follow through on the job also. A degree no mater where its from is worthless on its own, the experience that goes with it is what counts. I am just starting my 3rd year, I received my AA a few months ago and i am working on my bachelors degree right now. I am not doing it to get a better job, I am doing it because it will make me the only one of my siblings to have a BA. I am sure my little sisters will be there to some day soon but the point is I am doing it for myself and I am also running a business at the same time. I work practically 24 hours a day and it really gets under my skin when people spout out this uneducated bull crap and basically minimize what i am working so hard to achieve. I have been part of this forum for quite a few months and in that time I have gotten to know many of you and out of the other regulars here I consider myself one. You people know by the content of my posts that i am no idiot and I am not working on my BA to prove that ether. I am trying to better myself so that I feel proud of my accomplishments and I can say that i did it. I am a 34 year old college junior and at the same time I am running a business and taking care of a family. Some people can't go to ivy league schools but does that mean that those people don't also deserve to have the confidence in having an education they can be proud of. I think that's what pisses me off the most about the comments here. UofP is an accredited university that has brick and mortar classes as well as classes on line and its being made look like I am just ordering a fake degree off the internet.
 
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I think it all depends on what your goals are if UoP is appropriate or not.

I went to Devry back in 89 and never finished. While I was working for Compaq/HP they paid for me to finish college while I was working and I found UoP to work well with my schedule and offered the classes I wanted.

The coursework is no joke, you have to work at it. The scheduling works very well for people who hold down a full time job and want to get a degree in the evening.

My purpose in getting the degree was the sense of commitment and accomplishment to finishing what I started. It didn't cost me anything through Compaq.

If I apply somewhere, I see it as a checkmark on the requirement of "Did you graduate college". Since I run my own business, it's not as important for me.

However, as some of the folks here have said, if you are planning an executive career, the social aspect of your degree is important. Executives are in their own club and protect each other. That's why an online degree will often strike you out for those positions.

You have to evaluate why you are getting the degree.
Is it knowledge? Technical certifications will give you tons more knowledge then a standard BS degree.
Having the checkmark on the resume? I think UoP does this well.
Applying for executive positions? I don't think UoP holds up here.

For technical positions, what you know and how much related experience in the field is much more important then your pedigree.
 
However, as some of the folks here have said, if you are planning an executive career, the social aspect of your degree is important. Executives are in their own club and protect each other. That's why an online degree will often strike you out for those positions.

UofP is not an online degree. They are a brick and mortar school and the people taking the online course get the exact same degree then the people in the brick and mortar classes.
 
UofP is not an online degree. They are a brick and mortar school and the people taking the online course get the exact same degree then the people in the brick and mortar classes.

So, you're actually going to classes then and not doing it online? :) What ratio do you think they have of online versus in class students? Sorry, but that argument's only kind of valid on the surface. If you scratch a little deeper then it falls apart.

If you're going just to be able to say you have a degree then more power to you but you know everything I said is true. It's not uneducated bullcrap, it's the truth. I don't blame you for defending the choices you made but that doesn't change the reality. All I can say is good luck, maybe you'll prove me wrong.
 
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