Thinking of getting an Apple.

[gunslinger]

Apples are complete nonsense, and are just a statement, an over-priced one at that.

I love the look of them.

It has long been proved, that a PC can do a better job in areas that mac fanboys claim to be it's domain of expertise, i.e. graphic work.

Oh, and don't forget to buy an antivirus package for your mac.

Oh, and don't forget, if something goes wrong with the hardware, you'd better have the vaseline ready, cos it's going to hurt/cost a lot to put right.

Looks like we have a Windows/PC fanboy in the house.

In short you have no idea what you are talking about.

It has long been proved, that a PC can do a better job in areas that mac fanboys claim to be it's domain of expertise, i.e. graphic work.

bs.

Oh, and don't forget to buy an antivirus package for your mac

Although as Macs become more popular the need for antivirus will rise its not there yet. I have had my Macbook for 7 months now and have no viruses or spyware ( I know because I downloaded and installed an AV program just to see where I stood.) 7 months of daily use and completely clean. I challenge anyone to do that with a PC. Macs may become more of a target but as of right now a stock Mac running Firefox is far more secure than any PC could ever dream to be.

Oh, and don't forget, if something goes wrong with the hardware, you'd better have the vaseline ready, cos it's going to hurt/cost a lot to put right.

Ever hear of Applecare? Get it and you are coverd for 3 years. Plus most things a good tech could fix anyway. HDD, RAM, video card they are all the same as the PC and easily replaced. You get what you pay for.

That's not to say they don't have any advantages, but personally I don't think they justify the cost even if you ignore the disadvantages.

Why don't you tell the class about these disadvantages.

 

[Simmy]

Is being a windows/pc fanboy a bad thing?

My main rig costs ~£1100 and runs any software I throw at it without any fuss or tears. What reasons are there to spend £1800+ on an equivalent mac?

I'm tempted to get a 2nd hand mac mini just so I can play around with it.

 

[gunslinger]

Is being a windows/pc fanboy a bad thing?

My main rig costs ~£1100 and runs any software I throw at it without any fuss or tears. What reasons are there to spend £1800+ on an equivalent mac?

I'm tempted to get a 2nd hand mac mini just so I can play around with it.

Its a bad thing when you blindly ignore other sometimes better technology.

The Mac can run any software Mac or PC.

"equivalent Mac" ? tell me what you are comparing.

 

[Simmy]

I was referring to one of the Mac Pro 2.8GHz quad core machines. I realise now they are dual quad core chips That will clearly account for a large chunk of the extra cost. The rest of my hardware is better in comparison though (hard drives, graphics, RAM)

One of the main downsides of a mac for me is their ability to play PC games. It looks like a right ball ache to get that running?

 

[14049752]

One of the main downsides of a mac for me is their ability to play PC games. It looks like a right ball ache to get that running?

Not even close. Installing Bootcamp onto a mac is about as hard as installing OEM Windows (any version). The OS X disc has all the drivers on it, so once windows is installed, you pop the dvd in and it auto installs everything for you.

 

[gunslinger]

Not even close. Installing Bootcamp onto a mac is about as hard as installing OEM Windows (any version). The OS X disc has all the drivers on it, so once windows is installed, you pop the dvd in and it auto installs everything for you.

Exactly, you beat me to it. Its dirt simple to dual boot OS X and Windows. The reason some games wont run on the highest settings is that DX10 is not supported.

As a side note you can search on youtube and find many videos of people running Crysis , COD, and Farcry 2 on Macs.

 

[seedubya]

Guys, I'm going to buy a 2nd hand mac over the next few weeks in order to get used to the OS. I have been asked 3 or 4 times over the last few months if I serviced them and I do - but slowly. There are now 3 shops selling macs in my area as opposed to 0 last year. Macs seem to be steadily growing in popularity and I feel I'm missing out by not being fully familiar with the modern ones at least.

I have fixed mac hardware many times, it's been almost exactly the same as PC hardware for a very long time and as long as I have checked exactly what part is required I've always managed to get them working.

So what OS version should I be looking for - X obviously but which one?

 

[Simmy]

As for the mac vs pc debate. It's stupid..

As long as it doesn't get out of hand then it's interesting.

From my point of view, I fail to see the appeal and considering my PC does everything I need it to quickly and without hassle, I can't see myself changing anytime soon. Also, I've been running my machine without an anti-virus for years and I can't recall getting an infection.

Lets say I've paid £1800 for an octo-core mac and I've setup bootcamp, installed windows xp and got CS Source running. If I don't do photo/video editing (at least not anything serious), what advantage will I see by having a mac? Bearing in mind speed, stability and malware is not an issue on my PC?

 

[MrMille]

Its a bad thing when you blindly ignore other sometimes better technology.

The Mac can run any software Mac or PC.

"equivalent Mac" ? tell me what you are comparing.

How about I give you €2,000 dollars, you buy the best Mac you can, and I'll buy the best PC I can. My PC will (and it's been proven) outperform your Mac in every category of usage, be it editing videos, editing 'choons, and playing games.

You see Gunslinger, I haven't blindly ignored Macs. I would like a Mac.
I know a lot about Macs and have always paid very close attention to any articles or TV shows I've read/seen about Mac/PC comparisons.
My assertion about a same price PC doing a better job at graphics, was on a TV show that did a 15 minute bit on comparing the PC vs. Apple.
They also did a segment on the repair costs of a PC vs. Apple after two similarly priced machines were deliberately dropped on the ground from a fair height.

You might also want to look into the terrible quality issue Macs suffer
That's a lot of moola for a duff piece of kit.

With regard to viruses, did you click the link, or simply go-off in an Apple fanboy rage? The link points to a new bulletin from APPLE THEMSELVES, recommending Apple users make use of anti-virus software packages, multiples!.

Why would your Apple get a virus anyway? you download all your porn from your PC! /joke!

I love the look of Apples, and would happily buy one, were it not for the fact that they are

• Over-priced
• Takes big money, and a long wait to get them repaired with Apple care
• They don't run PC software out of the box
• For the longest time, their mouse only had one button. WTF.
• It's only artsy wannabes who buy them, and I don't want to associate myself with people who think an 'Arts' 'degree' is an education.

Not even close. Installing Bootcamp onto a mac is about as hard as installing OEM Windows (any version). The OS X disc has all the drivers on it, so once windows is installed, you pop the dvd in and it auto installs everything for you.

Let's buy a Mac, so it can play PC stuff.

Somebody give me a Anadin please!

 

[14049752]

Let's buy a Mac, so it can play PC stuff.

I didn't say anything about buying a mac so you can play PC stuff. All I said was that it was easy.

Since you brought it up, though: I have a macbook. I run PC stuff on it. It's easier than carrying around two laptops to support my mac and pc customers. I like it, I don't care what anybody else thinks.

 

[seedubya]

Guys, how does this machine look in terms of both price and spec.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=83333&cat=8

Here's a 20" iMac from apple.ie/store for comparison

http://store.apple.com/ie/configure/MB323B/A?mco=NzU0NDY4

 

[Simmy]

hmmm...maybe this is stupid

 

[seedubya]

This what?

 

[Simmy]

I was referring to this quote

As for the mac vs pc debate. It's stupid..

 

[seedubya]

It is stupid. Each to their own. Almost everything that everyone has said in this thread either positive or negative can be seen as true, hence the never ending argment over which is correct.

 

[MrMille]

True, the pc versus mac thing starts flame wars all over the internerd on a daily basis.

Having said that, those of you about to pay new money for a top of the line Mac, I'd recommend a visit to a phrenologist first.



/ queue frantic googling

 

[gunslinger]

True, most of the time flame wars are started by fanboys on either side making stupid uninformed comments like "Macs are a waste of money" or "PCs suck"

* Over-priced ( not for what you get , fanboy comment )
* Takes big money, and a long wait to get them repaired with Apple care
(Does not take big money and most techs can do it themselves)
* They don't run PC software out of the box (Its called boot camp, its free, it comes on all Macs out of the box, all you need is a Windows disc)
* For the longest time, their mouse only had one button. WTF. (you have always been able to right click with a Mac, another stupid fanboy comment)
* It's only artsy wannabes who buy them, and I don't want to associate
(that is a really ignorant statement that does not even need a comment)


You said you know a lot a bout Mac because you read articles about them? WTF.

If you don't own a modern Mac you have no place to even comment on them and to do so you just make yourself look very uninformed and unprofessional.

Get a Mac, use it, educate yourself. Then make informed comments.

 

[MrMille]

I was going to construct an elegant and incisive rebuttal to your comment, but your use of the term 'bootcamp' confused me, and I find myself resorting to a response of lower intellectual calibre.

To whit

"So's your face"

I am reliably informed that this always works, therefore I win..

 

[gunslinger]

I was going to construct an elegant and incisive rebuttal to your comment, but your use of the term 'bootcamp' confused me, and I find myself resorting to a response of lower intellectual calibre.

To whit

"So's your face"

I am reliably informed that this always works, therefore I win..

See above comment: "you just make yourself look very uninformed and unprofessional."

And I rest my case.

 

[MrMille]

So's your face