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a good resource explaining SSD and the different types
SSD Life Expectancy
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Nice find, thanks!
For most end users, I am still not sold on SSD. The increase in speed is not noticeable, and how many people actually make an effort not to use all the space? It does make it easier to sell backup service though. Since they crash with no warning, it makes it hard to know when the EOL is. With mechanical, most of the time you do get nice warnings that things are about to go to crap. Different noises, read write errors. Etc. Maybe my own preferences have kept me from recommending this change to my customers.
For most end users, I am still not sold on SSD. The increase in speed is not noticeable, and how many people actually make an effort not to use all the space? It does make it easier to sell backup service though. Since they crash with no warning, it makes it hard to know when the EOL is. With mechanical, most of the time you do get nice warnings that things are about to go to crap. Different noises, read write errors. Etc. Maybe my own preferences have kept me from recommending this change to my customers.
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From my experience I find that SSDs are much, much faster than a mechanical drive. Of course that depends on the quality of sdd you purchase I guess. I always buy Samsung EVO drives and if windows use their software "wizard" and activate rapid mode. If I am replacing a drive in linux then I always activate fstrim. Should it be a fresh install of Linux then its installed by default.
As for crashing without warning, Well, All most all my clients just report "My computer is running slow" and only at the point that the drives fail do they really place a service call. But I surely will agree with you basically on that point. My thinking is - If the SSD drive is failing its hard to recover anything off it- depending on whats failed of course. Mechanical drives give you more of a chance to recover if you catch it in time.
I run a SSD on my new shop computer but I off load my home directory to to a raid1 setup.
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Not noticeable try a MB with M3 SSD i built one for customer boot time is soo fast it is hard to time loads in blink of an eye also loaded WoW loading instances is soo fast if you blink you miss it.
I have sold 100 ssd as to this day not a single one has failed on me never had to RMA one either.
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For machines with "so-so" hardware, like Atom, Celeron and Pentium, it makes a huge difference.
I just finish refurbishing an HP 15-R013CA and upgraded ram to 8GB and put in a cheap 240GB Corsair Nuetron SSD. It's very quick and gone is the lag.
I'm thinking for all my refurbishing to use SSD.
I just finish refurbishing an HP 15-R013CA and upgraded ram to 8GB and put in a cheap 240GB Corsair Nuetron SSD. It's very quick and gone is the lag.
I'm thinking for all my refurbishing to use SSD.
Certainly, surfing the internet is no faster, but, darn near everything else is, from bootup to desktop, to opening closing programs, shutdown, etc... (gaming framerates unaffected, of course)...
For some real speed, try a full WIn10 Pro install from USB to an M.2 NVME drive in 4-5 minutes, and 1 minute detecting devices, and to desktop 20-30 seconds after that...; I was astounded!
An SSD compared to a HDD is the most noticeable speed upgrade that you can do on a computer. It not only improves boot times and program startup times four-fold, but all interactive computer use is also sped up. The only computer usage that isn't helped by an SSD is CPU or GPU intensive tasks which ordinary users hardly ever do. So almost all ordinary usage benefits a lot from SSD, and clients tell me this every time I upgrade them. They definitely notice.
Doesn't matter. Modern SSDs already keep reserved space for internal use, ever wondered why mainstream SSDs have odd sizes like 240GB?
But if the EOL is longer than a HDD then surely that's a good thing? Yes it's true we recover data from failing HDDs all the time so isn't everyone lucky... or put another way, why are these HDDs failures so common? And HDDs can also fail suddenly, in my workshop we see more sudden HDD failures than SSD failures, plus we get all the 'my computer has been slow for months' HDD failures too. Very few SSD failures at all.
Also it's common to use a HDD for mass storage alongside an SSD boot drive, so in these situations your critical data can live on a HDD if you prefer. Either way, backups are needed for any type of storage.
Yes I think you need to try one in your own computer.
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Every single one of my customers that have upgraded to SSD's are astounded at the speed difference! The only problem I have with upgrading clients to SSD is that my "new" laptop sales have dropped by proportion!
Instead of buying new they get an SSD and an extra 4/8GB ram in their old unit.
But, you know, when I think about it, margins on new laptops are very tight, so I'm probably making the same or more money anyway.
Instead of buying new they get an SSD and an extra 4/8GB ram in their old unit.
But, you know, when I think about it, margins on new laptops are very tight, so I'm probably making the same or more money anyway.
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We only sell SSDs. Only time I get normal HDDs is for a NAS.
I discussed a bit in another thread, but my market doesn't like twice the price and the increased speed for just boot and an app or two doesn't fire anybody up except the geeks (affectionately spoken) here it seems. If boot speed is an issue I suggest they sleep their machines. Most users only open one or two apps in the morning and that's it for the day so there is not much to be gained there. Unless you are slaving a D: drive then an SSD isn't that advantageous for a gamer because not enough space. (Older games also don't like to be run from two drives.)
I'm not saying there isn't a place for SSDs. They're just not very applicable to my market.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for SSDs. They're just not very applicable to my market.
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Oh my. No offense, but it sounds like you're not doing something right here. The speed difference (especially over OEM 5400RPM drives) is knock you in the seat of your pants, jaw dropping, noticeable. The transfer rate is only part of it. The response time and IOPS from an SSD is staggering.
That being said - there is an argument to be made going from a SATA3 SSD to NVME, but thats another topic.
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I'm in the same camp. I would have thought this would be where more shops are leaning (before the NAND shortage especially) but apparently not.
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Besides strait SSD use you can speed up any system without reloading by making an SSD Cache it really speeds things up without the need to copy anything.
For free on an Intel motherboard you can use IRST for paid/ free you can use a program called PrimoCache
What size SSD can you use for a cache? any size will do:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10009951&CatId=5298
For free on an Intel motherboard you can use IRST for paid/ free you can use a program called PrimoCache
What size SSD can you use for a cache? any size will do:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10009951&CatId=5298
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Dig the 1970's haircut on that dude that hasn't seen sunlight in a while...
When I replace drives....an SSD goes in.
When I order new workstations and laptops, I quote them with SSDs...
Clients love the ~15 second bootup time to usable desktop, versus over a minute on spindles. And...our clients are used to 7,200rpm spindles in biz grade workstations....not 5400rpm slugs from el cheapo residential rigs. And the speed increase is very noticeable. Also launching "heavy" apps like Quickbooks and stuff like that....very nice and noticeable speed increase.
When I replace drives....an SSD goes in.
When I order new workstations and laptops, I quote them with SSDs...
Clients love the ~15 second bootup time to usable desktop, versus over a minute on spindles. And...our clients are used to 7,200rpm spindles in biz grade workstations....not 5400rpm slugs from el cheapo residential rigs. And the speed increase is very noticeable. Also launching "heavy" apps like Quickbooks and stuff like that....very nice and noticeable speed increase.
