residentian and commercial costumers fees

Businesses pay more because they are generally under contract that legally binds the service provider with certain guarantees on their IT systems. This puts some liability on the provider and off the client. Also the client has a service window guarantee for business critical issues. But if you take all that away the main reason is because of the level of knowledge required by a technician to work in a domain environment. :)

Please take a minute to help me out here http://www.technibble.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19869
 
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Businesses pay more because they are generally under contract that legally binds the service provider with certain guarantees on their IT systems. This puts some liability on the provider and off the client. Also the client has a service window guarantee for business critical issues. But if you take all that away the main reason is because of the level of knowledge required by a technician to work in a domain environment. :)

Please take a minute to help me out here http://www.technibble.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19869
Try reading the thread to see that the last argument was already debunked. The first reason makes absolutely no sense and isn't even in the realm of relevant to the issues discussed here.
 
Try reading the thread to see that the last argument was already debunked. The first reason makes absolutely no sense and isn't even in the realm of relevant to the issues discussed here.

I read the original question of the poster and gave my 2 cents. This is a forum correct? My reasons may not make sense to you but that does not mean they don't make sense. :)
 
In the context of this argument, no they don't.

so it does make sense to you or it doesn't your loosing me here? I was not chiming on on the context of an argument I was chiming in on a posters orignal question.
 
Defensive probably because, until this post, you sounded much like VDub above, who claims that charging different rates is "not being truthful." He then sets up a very unlikely scenario to "prove" his statement (no offense, VDub, it's a common practice).

That's because everyone started out making a claim that they don't charge businesses more because they are willing to pay more, then later on admit they do. Claims were made that I was saying they should lower their rates to residential, when in fact I was saying that if your basing your rates off of experience, you should RAISE your rates to that of commercial. Everyone wanted to argue and take offense when told they were charging more because they could.

How many call centers do you know that would wait for a tech while their whole operation was down, without at least trying to find some assistance elsewhere? How many do you know that would call and simply accept "I'll be there later" without at least trying to impress upon the tech the severity of the situation? I don't know of many.

And that's why businesses frequently get charged more. There is a much greater value to their time. Even for an individual, mobile tech....Might you be willing to pay a little more to have your vehicle repaired in a more timely fashion to get back to making an income? Do you check other repair facilities if your normal shop can't fit you in?

Exactly why I charge customers more. Priority service because I know they lose money when their computer is down. I wouldn't be able to wait either.

[QUOTE
For those who think that an easy job should be charged at less per hour than a complicated job: Does your doctor charge you less to diagnose a cold than he does to diagnose something more severe? Does your mechanic charge you less per hour to fix a plug wire than to rebuild your engine? I will guarantee that an HVAC serviceman will charge more to fix industrial equipment than a home system, even though the skills involved are similar.[/QUOTE]

This is what I said from page one as well. Again, I was met with defensive attitudes like I was accusing someone of cheating their customers. If a tech is going to argue they charge commercial more than residential because of experience, then they should be charging both the same amount because the experience is used on both types.


Everything you said in your post is what I have been trying to say from the first page of this thread. This is why I charge businesses more, priority service.
 
so it does make sense to you or it doesn't your loosing me here? I was not chiming on on the context of an argument I was chiming in on a posters orignal question.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to spell this out, but...

Contracts mean that there is a special agreement between the two companies. This also implies that there, at one point, was a sit down between said companies and an understanding was laid out as to what they are being charged and why.

The context of this argument/thread doesn't pertain to prior contractual agreements, but how a company handles general inquiries as to the rates they charge based on the nature of the client and why. As I noted before, the why is between the two companies when a contract is involved.
 
I read the original question of the poster and gave my 2 cents. This is a forum correct? My reasons may not make sense to you but that does not mean they don't make sense. :)

It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just not a valid argument. You should certainly charge what your skills are worth. Your advanced skills play a role on residential jobs too. Your skills are what they are and if your basing your prices solely on skill alone, then all your jobs should be charged at the same rate because you carry your experience with you to all of your jobs.
 
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just not a valid argument. You should certainly charge what your skills are worth. Your advanced skills play a role on residential jobs too. Your skills are what they are and if your basing your prices solely on skill alone, then all your jobs should be charged at the same rate because you carry your experience with you to all of your jobs.

Thats all good until you get employees and have to pay the server support environment techs more than the home user techs because they are worth more. The same knowledge being brought rule only applies to you as an individual in the real world server techs are worth more and don't work on home systems. Advanced skills will not play a role in residential jobs as well but because there is no advanced configurations in homes 90 % of the time. We will generally start out all business clients with a free consultation with them or over the phone if they do not have the time. If they are no servers or not going contract then they pay the residential rates.
 
Funny that no one answered the question of why businesses were wsilling to pay more.

Let me take a stab at it then. The easy answer is that businesses understand(hopefully) how business works. And specifically small businesses. I would bet that in this discussion of businesses almost invariably the businesses in question are small to at most medium businesses. People who understand what's involved. People who understand that you have overhead costs you need to figure into your pricing. People who themselves have to deal with all of the same little costs that add up to a rate substantially higher than a pizza tech.

People that aren't like most people. Most people are corporate cogs. They sit in their cubicle and crank widgets. The same little special task 40 times an hour, 8 hours a day, 250 days a year. They can't relate to someone who does a thousand different things every day for 365 days a year. They take their little hourly wage and multiply it by 80 and put the check in the bank every 2 weeks. They don't know what it's like to not get paid for 3 weeks. They don't know what it's like to work more than 8 hours a day. They can't imagine all the things you have to pay for that add up to your $75 an hour rate. To them, you make $75 an hour. But you don't. All the little things add up and you ACTUALLY make something way south of that.

They want their value meal pricing everywhere. Not just at Taco Bell and McDonald's. But everywhere. It's not just pizza techs that make it hard for you to tell a non-commercial customer you're charging them $75 an hour. It's Taco Bell, Wal-Mart, Super Chow Down Buffet, Ron Popeil and Everything's $1.

When the people in this forum deal with people at a business, it's generally not a corporate drone with no clue about anything past their cubicle. It's someone who sees all the things that are involved in running a business. I would imagine a lot of the folks here have at least met the owners of all the business they service and in many cases actually deal with the owner themselves. There's bound to be a level of trust because of that. The business owner trusts you do do a good job at a reasonable or fair price or he calls someone else next time. If you're overcharging just because you think your business clients will pay, I would imagine they will at some point migrate elsewhere.

Now that I've answered that, let me push the discussion in a different direction. What about different pricing for different business customers? Based on size or amount of business they bring you or type of industry or whatever? What about discount pricing to get new customers while you charge older customers the regular rate? What about setting rates based on zip codes? What about charging customers based on how much of a hassle they are?
 
The fact remains. and it has been proven over and over again in this thread.

People charge businesses more because there willing to pay more. I don't know why so many people feel that this is an argument. Its a simple fact.

You can put as much spin on it as you like but the fact remains.

Residential customers are not willing to pay the same as businesses so people change there rates to get added work. Its not dishonorable, but defending it like most have done is just stupid.
 
That's because everyone started out making a claim that they don't charge businesses more because they are willing to pay more, then later on admit they do. Claims were made that I was saying they should lower their rates to residential, when in fact I was saying that if your basing your rates off of experience, you should RAISE your rates to that of commercial. Everyone wanted to argue and take offense when told they were charging more because they could.



Exactly why I charge customers more. Priority service because I know they lose money when their computer is down. I wouldn't be able to wait either.

[QUOTE
For those who think that an easy job should be charged at less per hour than a complicated job: Does your doctor charge you less to diagnose a cold than he does to diagnose something more severe? Does your mechanic charge you less per hour to fix a plug wire than to rebuild your engine? I will guarantee that an HVAC serviceman will charge more to fix industrial equipment than a home system, even though the skills involved are similar.

This is what I said from page one as well. Again, I was met with defensive attitudes like I was accusing someone of cheating their customers. If a tech is going to argue they charge commercial more than residential because of experience, then they should be charging both the same amount because the experience is used on both types.


Everything you said in your post is what I have been trying to say from the first page of this thread. This is why I charge businesses more, priority service.[/QUOTE]

I mentioned why the defensiveness above. I've also said that I'd love to charge everybody the same, higher rate commensurate with experience, but that the realities of the market prevent this.

So I guess we'll agree to agree. :)

Rick
 
The fact remains. and it has been proven over and over again in this thread.

People charge businesses more because there willing to pay more. I don't know why so many people feel that this is an argument. Its a simple fact.

You can put as much spin on it as you like but the fact remains.

Residential customers are not willing to pay the same as businesses so people change there rates to get added work. Its not dishonorable, but defending it like most have done is just stupid.

Don't forget liability! if a tech disables a system at someones home and they cant print a picture or get their email for an hour or two chances are they wont sue you. If the same tech makes the same mistake in a domain of a tax accountant during tax season and a file server is down for an hour or two you can guarantee legal action is on the way to recover lost wages. Contract or no contract the tech takes on more liability when working an a domain environment.
 
Don't forget liability! if a tech disables a system at someones home and they cant print a picture or get their email for an hour or two chances are they wont sue you. If the same tech makes the same mistake in a domain of a tax accountant during tax season and a file server is down for an hour or two you can guarantee legal action is on the way to recover lost wages. Contract or no contract the tech takes on more liability when working an a domain environment.

That's typically taken care of before hand when they sign your terms of service.
 
Don't forget liability! if a tech disables a system at someones home and they cant print a picture or get their email for an hour or two chances are they wont sue you. If the same tech makes the same mistake in a domain of a tax accountant during tax season and a file server is down for an hour or two you can guarantee legal action is on the way to recover lost wages. Contract or no contract the tech takes on more liability when working an a domain environment.

So do you report the amount of business hours and the amount of residential hours you work to your insurance agent?

I honestly was not aware of a variable rate insurance plan but would be interested.
 
That's typically taken care of before hand when they sign your terms of service.

Everyone agrees to the terms of service or they don't get service I'm just stating that the likelihood of a suit coming from a business is far greater than it coming from a home and when it does its substantial because its generally from loss of income or business impact not my broken desktop or my data that i never backup. Because of this you assume more risk or liability requiring higher insurance premiums and more expertise.
 
Everyone agrees to the terms of service or they don't get service I'm just stating that the likelihood of a suit coming from a business is far greater than it coming from a home and when it does its substantial because its generally from loss of income or business impact not my broken desktop or my data that i never backup. Because of this you assume more risk or liability requiring higher insurance premiums and more expertise.
You mean your terms don't state that you are not responsible for any losses that may occur as a result of your service, and at the very least, mandatory arbitration is required for disputes with a maximum amount awarded equal to the service charge?

Even if they're smart enough to realize that the first part is a facade, no business is going to waste their time with arbitration for a measly few hundred dollars.
 
You mean your terms don't state that you are not responsible for any losses that may occur as a result of your service, and at the very least, mandatory arbitration is required for disputes with a maximum amount awarded equal to the service charge?

Even if they're smart enough to realize that the first part is a facade, no business is going to waste their time with arbitration for a measly few hundred dollars.

Sorry the legal stuff like the TOS and contracts I leave to the lawyers. I believe arbitration is the legal process and the terms its to be carried out in but don't quote me here like I said thats up to the lawyers. But you have to agree that the risk and intern liability is higher. This I can say if a server down is caused by you and the client looses 50k in 3 hours you will be in court.
 
You mean your terms don't state that you are not responsible for any losses that may occur as a result of your service, and at the very least, mandatory arbitration is required for disputes with a maximum amount awarded equal to the service charge?

Even if they're smart enough to realize that the first part is a facade, no business is going to waste their time with arbitration for a measly few hundred dollars.

Terms of service are a joke, at least in the U.S. They offer no real protection against a suit. They may figure in the adjudication, but anyone can sue for anything in this country, and you still have to defend against it.

Rick
 
Terms of service are a joke, at least in the U.S. They offer no real protection against a suit. They may figure in the adjudication, but anyone can sue for anything in this country, and you still have to defend against it.

Yep. Think about the ream of paperwork you have to fill out when you go to the doctor. Three inches thick of CYA and they still get sued by someone weekly.
 
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