Osama Bin Laden - dead.

You believe that propaganda? This stuff is straight 1984. Download a bit of George Carlin or Bill Hicks...

Isn't it funny how Obama waited to have Osama whacked during the build-up to his re-election campaign?

Don't you think muslims will pick a pilgrimage site anyway?

This is kind of what i mean. I don't buy into conspiracy theories easily. But another thing is that this falls awfully close to the end of when the Afghanistan war was supposed to be winding down (this summer). We haven't heard much of anything positive happening after 10 years except speculation from reporters that have been there. Up until now I and most Americans figured it was going to be chalked up as another loss for us, even after Obama committed several thousand more troop deployments after he was elected. Then suddenly in May, we found and killed Bin Ladin in Pakistan, not far from a military training academy.

I honest to God hope its all legit and I hope some of the "stuff" they found in the compound helps prove its legit. But if this isn't handled correctly, this could turn into a controversy that's even bigger than the birth certificate issue. And we know how well this administration has been at handling controversy...
 
I certainly hope you never bit into the birth certificate "controversy." That was about as controversial as if you should have your toilet paper over or under.

No matter what the US Government does there will be conspiracy theories. Some even remotely plausible, most aren't if they are given any thought.

Parade Saddam's kids around after their death, you're (rightfully) horrible. Actually follow someone's religion, you're also horrible. It just depends on who is accusing them at the time and who the dead person is.

If the reports were true and he was buried at sea so quickly in regards to his religion, there is nothing wrong with that. Looking into a bunch of other crap around it is unfounded. Of course he was killed near the beginning of the President's reelection campaign. It wouldn't make any sense to do it near polling day, we had to do it now where in 6 months it will be fresh in everyone's mind. Or for Bush to have done it near the elections to keep Republicans in the house. Of course we always knew where he was. He probably had a cure for cancer!

I am not saying the Government never does anything like this stuff, they obviously do, but I would question anyone who instantly resorts to conspiracy theories regarding anything the Government states.
 
As far as following honorable burial rituals I think its pretty safe to say he waved his right to a proper burial when he became a mass murderer. Maybe many Muslims would be insulted that he received an honorable burial? Did the politically correct police think of it from that angle?

Believe it or not, war used to be very honorable. Not only to your peers, but to your enemy. Some of it still exists today, but very little from what I can tell (from my outside view). Having enough respect for your fallen enemy to not disgrace their dead bodies should be an important aspect of war.

I don't like Osama, but I certainly don't feel like we should have done anything to his body other than bury it.
 
Believe it or not, war used to be very honorable.

Nope, don't believe a word of it.

War has never been about anything but someone's powerful hierarchy deciding they want something and someone else saying "Get Lost".

Ultimately whoever wins decides who was right, usually in their own favour.
 
I was referring to actions on the battlefield, not the decisions of those to start it or their reasons for doing so.
 
Well i thin this was a case of when not of if.
After all America does have the military power to catch almost everyone one day or another
 
I am not saying the Government never does anything like this stuff, they obviously do, but I would question anyone who instantly resorts to conspiracy theories regarding anything the Government states.

Right. It's governments who resort to conspiracy theories to try and 'explain' the contradictions between the facts and their propaganda.

For example: did you know Osama is like a cat? He's now been declared dead 9 times over the last 9 years :rolleyes:
 
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Whatever is being done, is being done for money, that is the ultimate goal: money and power. Fear and anger combined with people's ignorance used by the governments to subject people to their own agenda. It has worked pretty well, but people are wising up. Always question everything, everyone and think that someone might have profited from it, because it is always about money.
The people in charge of the agenda, don't care about you and your life, or your family's life, the ONLY thing that matters is the agenda. Funny part is that once some individuals become obsolete or useless to the agenda, they are killed off to be silenced (most of the time) or become insignificant.
 
Ok everybody put on your tin-foil hats.

While I'm not much of a conspiracy theory person, I am wondering if this is just a power grab by the government. I can certainly see how everyone involved would benefit from the capture and death of bin Laden and how fabricating this would fool a good amount of people. Then you have to wonder how they could involve the people they did and still feel confident that nobody would leak the truth. Plus what happens when the real bin Laden proves he is still alive?

I just can't see favorable odds in fabricating a story like this.
 
Ok everybody put on your tin-foil hats.

While I'm not much of a conspiracy theory person, I am wondering if this is just a power grab by the government. I can certainly see how everyone involved would benefit from the capture and death of bin Laden and how fabricating this would fool a good amount of people. Then you have to wonder how they could involve the people they did and still feel confident that nobody would leak the truth. Plus what happens when the real bin Laden proves he is still alive?

I just can't see favorable odds in fabricating a story like this.

They are going to have to present some evidence to shut most of these people up. There are still so many people saying he's been dead since 2001 from renal failure. That seems to be the most popular urban legend. That's why out the 3 options that the security council came up with, they chose the strike force without any outside interference. So they would have a body. But just saying they know it was him isn't going to be enough.
 
Right. It's governments who resort to conspiracy theories to try and 'explain' the contradictions between the facts and their propaganda.

For example: did you know Osama is like a cat? He's now been declared dead 9 times over the last 9 years :rolleyes:

This is the first I have heard of it. Please provide your sources. I will accept only Government provided ones.

Oh, We also didn't land on the moon (there are no stars in the pictures!), and my favorite is that absolutely no one died during the attack on the World Trade Center. It was completely fabricated by the US Government to justify a war.

Excuse me for questioning the citizen conspiracy theorists. At least the ones the government makes up are more believable.

edit: I completely agree that the US needs to release more information and proof of what happened. Specifically proof that it was his body and proof that it was buried at sea.
 
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This is the first I have heard of it. Please provide your sources. I will accept only Government provided ones.

I suspect you mean only USA government sources, but anyway, here goes:
http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/

Oh, We also didn't land on the moon (there are no stars in the pictures!), and my favorite is that absolutely no one died during the attack on the World Trade Center. It was completely fabricated by the US Government to justify a war..

Oh please, yeah sure, we are all nuts and you are a brilliant patriotic citizen :rolleyes:
I guess I'm supposed to retaliate by calling you a Jerry Springer or Oprah Winfrey fan :(

The world isn't black and white, OK?
This is not some battle between brain-dead patriot government stooges who'd dance on Osama's dead body and tin-foil hat wearing nut cases with automatic machine guns :rolleyes:

But maybe you should get a job as a journalist or talking head on the TV, you seem to buying into the agenda of vilifying anyone who questions da govurnment and their conspiracy theories.

Excuse me for questioning the citizen conspiracy theorists. At least the ones the government makes up are more believable.

:eek: Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

edit: I completely agree that the US needs to release more information and proof of what happened. Specifically proof that it was his body and proof that it was buried at sea.

How can they prove anything now? The evidence has been dumped.
 
For those who claim hes not dead because they haven't released pictures. I will say I have seen a picture of his corpse. (from a friend in the military) it's very graphic (half his head is missing) It's not a photo that could be used as part of a news cast. I have no doubt its real and he is dead.
 
For those who claim hes not dead because they haven't released pictures. I will say I have seen a picture of his corpse. (from a friend in the military) it's very graphic (half his head is missing) It's not a photo that could be used as part of a news cast. I have no doubt its real and he is dead.

You know there are several fakes floating around? If the one you saw is real, than I have a lot less faith in our governments ability to keep secrets.
 
I suspect you mean only USA government sources, but anyway, here goes:
http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/

A large portion of those are "I think he is dead." One even specifically states they have nothing to back up that opinion. These are all as reliable as you believing in Obama as none of them have anything to back it up.

Oh please, yeah sure, we are all nuts and you are a brilliant patriotic citizen :rolleyes:
I guess I'm supposed to retaliate by calling you a Jerry Springer or Oprah Winfrey fan :(

The world isn't black and white, OK?
This is not some battle between brain-dead patriot government stooges who'd dance on Osama's dead body and tin-foil hat wearing nut cases with automatic machine guns :rolleyes:

But maybe you should get a job as a journalist or talking head on the TV, you seem to buying into the agenda of vilifying anyone who questions da govurnment and their conspiracy theories.

I was only pointing out that a lot of conspiracy theorists go into very elaborate explanations and excuses of why something is fake when the official "govurnment" story makes a hell of a lot more sense. Also, a lot of the people who make up these theories barely have enough brain power to walk and breathe at the same time, rather than advise me on the temperature at which metal will melt, physics on the Moon or how cameras turn light into photos and why the fact that a very very bright source of light very close to a camera will wash out any background lights somehow doesn't apply on the Moon.

Jerry Springer should be shot, along with all of the guests on his show. Oprah...She is remotely decent. I don't watch either.

:eek: Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

You're right.

As I (sarcastically) mentioned, it makes a hell of a lot of sense for Obama to do this at the very beginning of his re-election campaign rather than near the time to vote. Please, explain why politically this makes more sense.

How can they prove anything now? The evidence has been dumped.

You're also right on this.

btw, I have never defended the US Government official story. I was only pointing out how crazy I think people are who immediately jump to conspiracies before even paying any sort of attention to the story given. People have every right and expectation to question our Government, but when the alternate stories are completely batty, I just laugh.

And trust me, I am no patriot. Our reps in Washington are so far disconnected from reality it isn't funny. Like, how we should keep the oil company tax cuts because it is a minor amount ($4bil), but how cutting funding to NPR ($90mil) was necessary.

"The object of this bill is to get NPR out of the taxpayer's pocket," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn. "It is time for us to be good stewards and save the money of the American taxpayer."

Jokes, all of them.
 
And trust me, I am no patriot. Our reps in Washington are so far disconnected from reality it isn't funny. Like, how we should keep the oil company tax cuts because it is a minor amount ($4bil), but how cutting funding to NPR ($90mil) was necessary.

I'm not commenting or arguing on the rest of the argument, but taxing the oil companies is not taxing them, but taxing ourselves. Why is it so hard for liberals to understand that taxing industry is taxing the poor and middle class, and everyone else. Because just like the saying "the savings are passed down to you", well so are the taxes. This country already has the highest tax burden for business in the entire world. That's why some little town in the Netherlands is where all the money is right now.

Plus don't even get me started on that left wing biased NPR that is supposed to be an unbiased news source. It's nothing but a leftist propaganda machine. They receive private funding through donations also. Why can't they stand on their own like any other news source out there? The head of NPR even said in an incriminating, secretly taped, lunch outing (Muslim Brotherhood) that he thought they should not be publicly funded.
 
I'm not commenting or arguing on the rest of the argument, but taxing the oil companies is not taxing them, but taxing ourselves. Why is it so hard for liberals to understand that taxing industry is taxing the poor and middle class, and everyone else. Because just like the saying "the savings are passed down to you", well so are the taxes. This country already has the highest tax burden for business in the entire world. That's why some little town in the Netherlands is where all the money is right now.

Plus don't even get me started on that left wing biased NPR that is supposed to be an unbiased news source. It's nothing but a leftist propaganda machine. They receive private funding through donations also. Why can't they stand on their own like any other news source out there? The head of NPR even said in an incriminating, secretly taped, lunch outing (Muslim Brotherhood) that he thought they should not be publicly funded.

as with my other arguments, I was only pointing out how stupid their arguments were. Instead of saying what they really meant, they pass it off as "well, we need to make sacrifices!" well, ok, lets make a much much larger sacrifice "Well, no, its not a lot of money," then what the hell was the NPR funding?

I fully believe that cutting the tax breaks will cause gas prices to go higher. As you said, costs trickle down. But instead of making the argument on that basis, they are arguing that it won't make much of a difference to the budget. Reality is nowhere to be found in their arguments. You can not say that cutting 90 million from the budget helps more than cutting 4 billion, and yet that is the current argument.

As for what NPR was, I have no idea, I never listened to it. Fact is, all news sources are biased. We choose to listen or watch whatever agrees with our views more and then say everything else is biased. I don't know if the government should be funding any public news or radio, but I also don't think it should be as consolidated as it currently is and that the government is allowing because it lowers the different opinions we get in order to form our own.
 
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