Non Political COVID-19 virus thread

[YeOldeStonecat]

But our "leaders" are in a tough spot. Forge on anyway is usually what America does... but that means saying the economy is worth more than lives. The alternative is a shutdown, which if done correctly would have had us all back to work by now... but of course we didn't do it correctly... due to "compromise" we got the worst of both worlds and a nightmare that we just can't wake up from.

It's tough. We rely on business...work...capitalism. Shutting down means...many lose income. With the drop in economy, many lose investments, retirements. Look at end of Q1 of this past year...quite a plummet. For those that restructured and leaned on tech stock and some other stuff...the manipulations of the stock market brought much of it back. But for the people who went unemployed...just look at the carnage. The food lines! How much price was paid for this shutdown? I don't feel a shutdown could have been done properly....in America. I know some other countries (small) did it rather well. But I don't see their economy as similar to ours at all. We heard some stories about some countries locked their citizens behind doors. I don't know if that was true or not, but a forced lockdown in a free country...I don't see it happening. IMO, people are willing to take a calculated risk. Keep working and bringing home a paycheck to pay for food and a roof for the family. Or..stay home, go broke, fall into crazy debt, go broke, dig a hole that will take 10 years to dig out of.

I know some families have family members with special health considerations (I do, my daughter), or elderly such as parents living at home. To me, that's a decision for the family to make.

I think for a large country like the US, a lockdown would have to be kept in place until the vaccine got widespread enough into the population to pretty much bring along herd immunity. So far..we're projecting roughly May for that...possibly June or July, but optimistic May. The lock down would have to remain until then..and that's a 16 or so month lockdown. If you lock down for just a month...the minute you let people out again, someone gets it.....and it spreads...and here goes this crazy steep climb again as numbers compound. TIl lockdown again..and then hold a month, and then let people out..and then it starts to climb again. The cycle repeats...over..and over. Until a vaccine is enough of the population.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Where i live covid-19 is not a pandemic and nobody has died from it in fact we are still in green and only .002% of the population has been infected if that is a pandemic then what is cancer more people die of cancer at .37% of the population.

Looks like ford is going to hard lock down again i knew this was going to happen really going to kill my business again still has not recovered.

Looking at your location (Ontario Canada)..and then looking online at Covid stats...I see over 4,000 deaths from Covid in Ontario. >160k infected with it and climbing fast.

 

[britechguy]

And now, dumb Yahoo news published that a new much more contagious variant (strain) of the Covid is sweeping through the UK and starting into Europe....and the stock market takes a dump today because of that.

Uh, every major news organization in the world has been reporting this, and the earliest started yesterday. It's what news organizations are supposed to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/21/world/covid-19-coronavirus

What do you want, for this to be kept under wraps? Er, no. No thanks.

 

[Galdorf]

Looking at your location (Ontario Canada)..and then looking online at Covid stats...I see over 4,000 deaths from Covid in Ontario. >160k infected with it and climbing fast.

That is province but city i live in has zero deaths and only .002% of the pop infected. they should let city health unit have power to lock down or not lock down city is rather large 3,228 km² with low population everything is spread out.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Pandemic, adjective, of a disease, prevalent over a whole country or the world.

You can't be in a city that has low cases and yet not be in the pandemic. This is global... you can have low infection rates, and if you want local officials to have power to open things up... what you're asking for is the nightmare being lived in most of the red states in the US right now.

Because if your stuff opens up, all those city people that are carting around the virus will show up in your community to use your bars, restaurants and what not...and then you'll all be sick too.

That pattern has repeated itself so many times down here it's not even funny anymore. If everyone would just stay home for two weeks, we'd be collectively done with this already. But they won't... so we're all just sort of along for the ride until hopefully, one of these vaccines works.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Uh, every major news organization in the world has been reporting this, and the earliest started yesterday. It's what news organizations are supposed to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/21/world/covid-19-coronavirus

What do you want, for this to be kept under wraps? Er, no. No thanks.

Oh I'm sure there are many other news organizations....but honestly I just felt like linking one.....will never feel obliged to link ALL of them, not enough time in the day, nor interest.

 

[Metanis]

Supposedly my area of the country (mid Wisconsin USA) is a veritable wildfire of Covid. Yet after all these months I personally only know of one person who has officially been diagnosed with Covid. She's 65 and with severe heart disease. She breezed through it with just several days of mild symptoms.

However, our substance abuse, depression, and suicide rates are all much higher. The "cure" may be as bad as the "disease".

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

That pattern has repeated itself so many times down here it's not even funny anymore. If everyone would just stay home for two weeks, we'd be collectively done with this already. But they won't... so we're all just sort of along for the ride until hopefully, one of these vaccines works.

2x weeks isn't enough. For purely napkin charts....if you have 10k people..say some 3% have it, there are staggering days of being infected, being contagious....within a 2x week period some will have passed their window of being contagious, but some will not. Some will have gotten it late, thus are still contagious for a period after that 15th day...20th day....so if you crack open the door and let people out...here we go again! Balloons right back up!

There "has to be" some essentials workers "out in the wild" during this 2x week thing...so....no matter how careful they are....they are still a wild variable in the mix. Law enforcement, utilities, gas stations, us, healthcare, government, etc. A 100% shutdown literally cannot happen.

Countries around the world that did well in the first wave....are now getting slammed. Israel tried a 4x week shutdown, but had to come up for air...so now they're getting the surge. The 4x week lockdown put a good dent in the exponential surge...but it's been climbing again because they couldn't hold their breath underwater longer than a month. Nor can most "free" countries I'd wager that don't have Caligua/Hitler-esque leader to shoot citizens that step outside their front doors.

We have a couple of examples of countries that did well during this particular Covid outbreak of 2020...Taiwan and New Zealand, and to some extent..Australia. You have to remember, they're geographically located near China..and already learned their lesson decades ago from other influenza outbreaks from China...thus already had a very strong outbreak response system setup. They learned their lessons from previous outbreaks, notably of late...SARS in 2004. The culture of "masks" was already present in Taiwan. The gov't and people already had experience with this, and were much more ready for Covid 19.

 

[britechguy]

Oh I'm sure there are many other news organizations....but honestly I just felt like linking one.....

If I misread you I apologize, but it seemed to me that you were blaming Yahoo for the economic fallout from accurate reporting, and that's really what I was reacting to. News that's actual news must be reported, even if the consequences of doing same are negative.

I wasn't trying, in any way, to say you should be giving links to multiple news outlets.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

a habit of calling anything related to sbc/yahoo as dumb relating to their horrible services as they took over SNET.

 

[Galdorf]

I think the issue in the Toronto area has to do with travel mainly international travelers are not being screened at the airport and are moving freely spreading covid-19 all over the area why has international travel not been stopped it is a major spread vector.

I had a customer who traveled to Italy and back was not screened and not told to quarantine on either side just imagine this times 10000.
They claim they are where people who have gone through said they were not screened i believe them over airport i have known them for 40 years.

 

[labtech]

Guys, the fear is paralyzing everybody.

Focusing on a healthy lifestyle, with a well balanced dose of vitamins is the key.
Yes, common sense with regard to social distancing, masks and washing hands is necessary. Don't go to bars or any tight gathering areas. Even family members may have CV and not know it. My family did. All are fine, even elderly.

Nobody really knows that they are infected, because the symptoms may not be showing.

I had CV recently. I had a normal cold, with a nose congestion, along with loss of taste and smell. The cold was gone in 3 days. Smell and taste came back after about 10 days fully. I could smell strong stuff, like isopropyl for example, just not regular stuff while having the symptoms. I did take it easy during those 3-5 days, just like anybody would when they are sick. The body needs time to rest and fight it off.

The problem is the following: the media is driving people crazy, instead of focusing on preventive suggestions, such as people taking Vitamin D supplements for example, get out in the sun, etc.
Eat some garlic to kill bacteria in the body. Drink some green tea with ginger (and garlic in it) to boost immune system. A lot of lemon to kill mucus in the body (e.g. drink a glass of good water with lemon on an empty stomach first thing in the morning - best absorbed by the body). Eat some nuts, not peanuts as their not good for people, but say Brazil nuts for critical minerals. Get some zinc in, as that is important, too. Eat some fish, even some sardines, and less meat. More fresh vegetables help tremendously for vitamin intake.

Vitamin D is critical in preventing the virus from replicating in the body. The majority in the Northern hemisphere is incredibly deficient in Vitamin D, because of poor lifestyle: a lot of work causing bodies to be weak, a lot of stress, a lot of time spent indoors with little sun exposure, fairly poor diet and so on. All of those are the make-up for a great host a virus can thrive in.

Important: it is imperative to stop eating and drinking stuff containing high fructose corn syrup, which is found in a lot of crap: candy, all kinds of soda drinks, coffee creamers, donuts, breads, etc. This crap is killing us.

Let's stop with the fear and rather focus on our health habits. And we will be fine.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

No fear here...just tired of the hit on the economy, and these little gov't payouts which we'll just have added to our tax burden.

Wife and I still travel, we were down in Florida in November. Good time to travel actually, airline tickets are cheap, VRBO cottages to rent are cheap. Airplane travel was fine. We're still hanging out with friends, going out to dinner, etc. Going out with some friends from our marina this coming Saturday for a good dinner.

But I'm tired of the toll that this thing is taking on people who are affected by it. My daugher, a cheerleader, senior year of high school. Games mostly cut short, no senior dances or activities of proms...all those important things our kids should experience in high school. She's bored as heck stuck at home for distance learning. And this distance learning is just crippling todays kids, they'll be handicapped. I can just see at job interviews..."Oh, you were a senior during COVID year, yeah you're crippled/dumb...no thanks!". Parents paying for expensive college educations...and their kids not really getting a good college eduction..crippled by this. Not to mention missing out on the incredible party and sex life of living in a college dorm...OMG such good times usually...but not for them last year or next year.

 

[labtech]

No fear here...just tired of the hit on the economy, and these little gov't payouts which we'll just have added to our tax burden.

Wife and I still travel, we were down in Florida in November. Good time to travel actually, airline tickets are cheap, VRBO cottages to rent are cheap. Airplane travel was fine. We're still hanging out with friends, going out to dinner, etc. Going out with some friends from our marina this coming Saturday for a good dinner.

But I'm tired of the toll that this thing is taking on people who are affected by it. My daugher, a cheerleader, senior year of high school. Games mostly cut short, no senior dances or activities of proms...all those important things our kids should experience in high school. She's bored as heck stuck at home for distance learning. And this distance learning is just crippling todays kids, they'll be handicapped. I can just see at job interviews..."Oh, you were a senior during COVID year, yeah you're crippled/dumb...no thanks!". Parents paying for expensive college educations...and their kids not really getting a good college eduction..crippled by this. Not to mention missing out on the incredible party and sex life of living in a college dorm...OMG such good times usually...but not for them last year or next year.

Totally agree. We need to get back to normal, with common sense in place. And we have it good here in North America. In Europe, the UK for example, they have authorities arresting folks for supposedly not respecting rules. It is getting out of hand...

 

[Sky-Knight]

The problem is, we have idiots NOT doing the "common sense" things. The governments start getting out the sticks when people are being objectively stupid.

Look at the infection spike post Thanksgiving... it tells you all you need to know! Idiots went out and did their holiday things as normal, and spread this crap far and wide. And now our emergency services are clogged, LA is about to start rationing care, and everywhere else that has any sort of actual population is running out of hospital beds.

Because Americans were selfish retards for Thanksgiving, our doctors and nurses across the nation are experiencing the Christmas from Hell.

We're losing a Pearl Harbor worth of people at least once a week at this rate. And yeah, for most people you just get over it. But for the 2% that die... well they're everything for someone else. The fear is there for a reason, and it should mean people are smart about it. But I still see people not wearing masks in public. I still see Twitter making fun of people that tell you to wear masks, when they took them off for a few blessed moments of peace when they were away from everyone else.

And I have a high risk child at home... my fortunes are dwindling because I can't get what I need, because I can't just go work without risking his not quite 10 year old life!

So when you say we need to get back to work I agree with you. But I understand the government's drive to thump people for being abjectly stupid too. We're a YEAR into this mess, ignorance of how to fight off this super cold is no longer tolerable. Citizens are those that take the responsibility to do all of what you just said @labtech. But we live in a nation with pathetic retards that complain they can't play Cyberpunk after they demanded a refund and returned it!

Not to mention all the long COVID cases and other long term issues this thing can inflict on those it doesn't kill. The fear is justified, but it should be motivating people to action, not inaction!

 

[River Valley Computer]

The problem is, we have idiots NOT doing the "common sense" things. The governments start getting out the sticks when people are being objectively stupid.

Look at the infection spike post Thanksgiving... it tells you all you need to know! Idiots went out and did their holiday things as normal, and spread this crap far and wide. And now our emergency services are clogged, LA is about to start rationing care, and everywhere else that has any sort of actual population is running out of hospital beds.

Because Americans were selfish retards for Thanksgiving, our doctors and nurses across the nation are experiencing the Christmas from Hell.

We're losing a Pearl Harbor worth of people at least once a week at this rate. And yeah, for most people you just get over it. But for the 2% that die... well they're everything for someone else. The fear is there for a reason, and it should mean people are smart about it. But I still see people not wearing masks in public. I still see Twitter making fun of people that tell you to wear masks, when they took them off for a few blessed moments of peace when they were away from everyone else.

And I have a high risk child at home... my fortunes are dwindling because I can't get what I need, because I can't just go work without risking his not quite 10 year old life!

So when you say we need to get back to work I agree with you. But I understand the government's drive to thump people for being abjectly stupid too. We're a YEAR into this mess, ignorance of how to fight off this super cold is no longer tolerable. Citizens are those that take the responsibility to do all of what you just said @labtech. But we live in a nation with pathetic retards that complain they can't play Cyberpunk after they demanded a refund and returned it!

Not to mention all the long COVID cases and other long term issues this thing can inflict on those it doesn't kill. The fear is justified, but it should be motivating people to action, not inaction!

 

[lcoughey]

Look at the infection spike post Thanksgiving... it tells you all you need to know!

When I look at the infections graph for the US, I can't see any spike which correlates to Thanksgiving. Am I missing something?

 

[Sky-Knight]

When I look at the infections graph for the US, I can't see any spike which correlates to Thanksgiving. Am I missing something?

The case count was rising before Thanksgiving but any infection in the week around Dec 10th was likely picked up during the holiday.

Those are the current high water mark spikes we have available. The current high case load is literally the after effects of a Thanksgiving done stupidly by Americans.

*Edit* didn't see you're in Ontario, don't forget US Thanksgiving was Nov 26th.

You can really see it in Arizona's data: https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/...se-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

 

[lcoughey]

The case count was rising before Thanksgiving but any infection in the week around Dec 10th was likely picked up during the holiday.

Those are the current high water mark spikes we have available. The current high case load is literally the after effects of a Thanksgiving done stupidly by Americans.

*Edit* didn't see you're in Ontario, don't forget US Thanksgiving was Nov 26th.

You can really see it in Arizona's data: https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/...se-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

But if the graph is already on the rise, likely in line with the continual increase with the number of tests, and there is no obvious anomaly spike in the numbers, one can't really blame it on Thanksgiving. And, yes, I am aware that the Americans celebrate a month too late.

If anything, the US case count looks like it started to flatten before Thanksgiving.

 

[Galdorf]

This is from travel they need to stop people traveling to other areas and spreading it and also to STOP international travel Japan has already done so Canada should also follow the example.

100% of the infections in my city have been traced to Toronto and Ottawa area as well as Quebec and international travel from UK and other places just look at the new strain is now spreading here.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-variant-ontario-info-1.5855396