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Obesity also puts you at risk for covid-19 death and there are many young people that fall into this category anyone thinking they are immune because of age it is not how it works.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/07/20/mom-lost-2-kids-to-coronavirus-sot-vpx-nr.cnn

sure less of them die but they still die so far 282 children have died in US the reason is they are more isolated but when they go back to school this fall that will all change.
 
britechguy said:
Ah, Orange County, CA. I microdot of wild-eyed red - and there's no better demonstration of that than this.
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You could not be more right. This is where I was born and raised and I couldn't get away fast enough.

Speaking of the OC, this was both amusing and sad:

 
What is this nonsense that children don`t catch or transmit covid-19 there are 23000 cases in Florida alone that says otherwise but members of trump`s party say otherwise there has been numerous studies 10-17 year olds transmit the same rates as adults.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/21/florida-teachers-union-sue-desantis-school-mandate-newday-vpx.cnn

What i don`t understand how can you be a governor and a lawyer yet fail at basic math there are 23000 infected children out of 190000 cases that is NOT 0% or lower its 12.11% and getting larger every day.
 
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Yeah the kids get sick too, they just don't tend to get really sick. But they are certainly just as contagious for just as long as us old farts.
 
Honestly, that should have been happening long ago. Coming to work sick doesn't mean you're dedicated, it means you think everyone else should suffer so you can work. That sort of arrogant selfishness needs to die in a fire.

That isn't to say I haven't done it too... just saying this sort of thinking is what should be normal.
 
No, "Wow" from me, but that's because Georgia has been one of the most cavalier states about "needing to reopen" in the country. Their governor is a laughingstock given how he not only ignores the public health experts, but openly defies them. It's complete lack of responsible government.

But to tell the truth, when it comes to schools, I am far more concerned for faculty and staff than students. There is an abundance of evidence that the vast majority of children who get Covid-19 are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. There is also some early evidence that this very fact may make them one of the primary vectors of transmission, as you can't tell from them whether they are infected most of the time. This is not to discount that there can be issues for children, because for a small minority there definitely is, but given the average age of those in the teaching profession in this country, there are a lot that are in high to highest risk groups, and that's without taking any preexisting conditions into account which raise risk.

But, it's clear that we have enough people in this country who believe either that Covid-19 is a hoax or grossly overblown, for whom facts and data mean absolutely nothing, who are loud enough and connected to those who are the same in government that there is going to be a catastrophe with schools and huge amounts of transmission in many locations across the country. None are so blind as they who will not see, and we have elected officials at every level of government right now who actively encourage willful blindness among their constituencies.
 
Yeah the kids will be fine, the educators and their families not so much. Most of the good teachers in my area are requesting to do remote teaching only. I was going to send my kids back with the safe guards the school was planning I felt they'd be fine. At least as safe as we can make them.

But without the teachers, it's a fruitless effort. As for the kids, this seems to be the risk of COVID for them... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/infographic-mis-c.html

It's not fun, but it's mercifully rare.

But just watch, Mesa Public Schools, one of the largest school districts in the nation will start on premise learning at some point this coming semester. And the students that attend it, will be all minority, or financially disadvantaged families. Just like the "essential worker" was made to work... once again the poorest and most vulnerable are subjected to all the risk.
 
The fact that we cannot, as a nation, admit that we need a real social safety net, always, but right now a special one to manage life in a pandemic, is just sad.

This isn't going to be over any time soon, and I hope the Democrats "go all New Deal" once the tidal wave hits in November. We're doomed otherwise, and may be already, as it's another full six months from now before the new president is sworn in.
 
You assume a Trump loss in Nov, I'm not sold on that certainty at this time. Relying on the US Federal Government to save the citizens of our nation is going to be a fatal flaw for all of us.

We the people, need to figure out how to fix this... ourselves.

After all, even if Trump loses, the DNC won't likely have control of the House and Senate.

This stuff doesn't magically change in Nov. I'd love to be wrong... but time will tell.
 
Sky-Knight said:
You assume a Trump loss in Nov, I'm not sold on that certainty at this time.
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I'm not absolutely sold, but close to it, and trying to think positive.

At this juncture, I am anticipating an absolutely historic trouncing, and not just of Trump. I suspect we'll see a blue tsunami.

The Democrats have been what would be considered "the conservative party" in any western democracy we care to call an ally for decades now. The Republicans have devolved into a fringe-right party rife with all the problems that attend that.

It won't happen in the short term, but I am now convinced the Republican Party is set to disappear over the next 20 years unless a miracle of a return to sanity in the party were to occur, and there's no one in charge who has any desire to see that. Sane Republicans like the ones that characterized the party for most of my life are now branded RINOs or worse. There's just no "there there" anymore in terms of any sound public policy or even legitimate governance. When you have a party that is preaching that government is the problem, then doing everything in their power to ensure that is true once in office, it can't go on forever. The republic will either be lost, or the party that does so will end up on the trash heap of history where it belongs.

And I don't say any of the above lightly, or as a "radically polarized" individual. My politics have changed very little since my late 20s, and by then Ronald Reagan had been in office long enough to see that the trajectory that has landed us here had been launched. I was a centrist then, and am now. It's the political landscape, and the ability for certain elements to successfully change long-held definitions, distorting same, that's changed around me. There's nothing I can do about that but vote my conscience, which includes choosing "the lesser of two evils" on many occasions. Since I saw this in March, I have adopted it as the perfect encapsulation of how I feel about voting, and what one should be doing when faced with two (or even more) choices, none of which are congruent with one's ideals:

Voting isn't marriage, it's public transport. You are not waiting for "the one" who is absolutely perfect. You are getting on the bus. And if there isn't one going exactly to your destination, you don't stay home and sulk. You take the one going closest to where you want to be.
~ Commenter Mrsmarv, on New York Times article, Bernie or Biden. Period., March 2, 2020.
 
Trump's defeat in Nov will be the best medicine for the GOP. The GOP has much better people, but they cannot rise while Trump leads the party.

You're not wrong in your assessment that the US lacks a left leaning party either, we've been right, and righter for some time.

The only thing I want to see the death of... is all this McCarthyism. As for myself, I'm also a centrist, though with right and libertarian leanings. In the end, I'm an engineer. I don't care about ideology so much, I care that it works. I also understand that consensus based decision making is by design slow. Which is why I don't like it when both of our dominant political parties push for more Federal control. Our system simply isn't designed to work like that, and the more power we shove into that box, the worse everything will get. Because again, the engine is by design slow.

We either need to drastically rethink the way our Federal system works, or we need to shove power back into the states for them to actually do their jobs appropriately.

P.S. When you have government run by oligarchs... government is indeed the problem. ;)
 
Sky-Knight said:
P.S. When you have government run by oligarchs... government is indeed the problem. ;)
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When you have government by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs . . .

It really saddens me how (and it's not like this is new, or limited to the USA) historically illiterate most of the populace is. We truly have seen, time and time again, that the adage, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it," is absolutely true. We've been rushing to embrace public policy characteristic of The Golden Age, which was Golden only for the Robber Barons, for about 50 years now, with predictable results, all of which have existed before and had been worked out pretty darned well for society and the country as a whole. Everything old is indeed "new again."

The only reason I replied to a rejoinder clearly meant as jest is because most would have classed FDR as an oligarch. He wasn't branded "a traitor to his class" during his presidency for nothing. But his was government by the oligarch(s), for the people . . .

I've also never, for a single second, bought into the stupidity that is the hatred of educated elites. "The man/woman on the street" is no more equipped to govern a western industrial democracy than fly to the moon under their own arm power. Nor are highly educated individuals who have experience only in business or the sciences. Running governments, at all levels, is a skill set, and one that is learned like all others, via experience and working one's way up through the system (whatever it may be for a given nation). I don't want rank beginners as either the president nor as those appointees running major parts of the government about which they know absolutely nothing at all. Even worse is when you get someone running them that knows an awful lot about them, but because they were formerly in business being regulated, and their goal is to reverse that for their friends, and themselves, after their period in government is over.

'Well-regulated free markets' is not an oxymoron, but a necessity for good economic outcomes.
~ Peter Diamond, winner of the 2010 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences
 
Galdorf said:
Wow this is just 1 school district a good reason not to open schools.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/us/gwinnett-schools-covid-employees/index.html
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Did you notice they don't say how many of those 260 were actually positive tests? 260 is the total of those tested positive and those exposed. Could've been 259 positive tests, or only one, or anything in between. Makes it pretty much impossible to glean any actual useful info from the article. In any case, in a district with over 180,000 students, 260 missing employees isn't exactly a problem; there are probably more than that out sick on any given day anyway.

britechguy said:
No, "Wow" from me, but that's because Georgia has been one of the most cavalier states about "needing to reopen" in the country. Their governor is a laughingstock given how he not only ignores the public health experts, but openly defies them. It's complete lack of responsible government.
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To put this in perspective, Georgia is currently running about 75% of the US average in deaths per million. So whatever that cavalier, irresponsible laughingstock is doing is working 25% better than the average.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
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